List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[Kapowie1]

Might've been just because he was playing us on the weekend but think Brockman looked like he had some weapons. Wouldn't mind him for a cheap pick with the threat of walking him to the PSD if he's out of contract,

Further, I'd love after last year to tell Port to GAGF and just walk Georgiades straight to the PSD

Finally ask AFL for compensation in the form of a 2nd after our own and if not that then automatic access to Livingstone and expanded list space of 3 spots for 2-3 years due to unprecedented injuries for 2022 & 2023, this will support the list as if we cut really deep this year it'll put pressure on the delistings required for the drafting & Free Agency in 2024.

Start: 1, 19, AFLPP, 34, 37, 52, 55, 73
Trade F1, 19, F3 to GWS for HH compo R1 pick & Richmond R1
2023 Picks: 1, HH Compo, Richmond R1, AFLPP, 34, 37, 52, 55, 73

MSD: Maric and either Ryan or Gilbey

1 -> Reid
HH Compo -> Watson or consider trading down if it can secure both Curtin & Hardeman
Richmond R1 -> Edwards
AFL PP 2nd Round -> Hardeman
34 -> Hall
37 -> Brockman (From Hawks)
40+ -> Livingstone or Collard (Academy)
F4 -> Robertson (From Lions)
PSD -> Georgiades (From Port)

11 Main list spots required (excluding additions) so delist - Witherden, West, Clark, Waterman, Foley, Shuey, Hurn, O'Neill move Petrucelle (to rookie), Jwilliams (to rookie) and payout of any or all of the Gaff, Rotham, HEdwards, Naitanui contracts as required.

2024 - AFL
B: Hough Barrass Bazzo
HB: Duggan Gov Ginbey
M: Jones Kelly Hunt
HF: Culley Allen Long
F: Brockman Darling Ryan
R: Bwill Reid Hewett
I: Georgiades Robertson Sheed

2024 - WAFL (Potentially)
B: Cole HEdwards Ledwards
HB: Gilbey Barnett Chesser
M: Hardeman SPS Burgiel
HF: Cripps Livingston Maric
F: Watson JWilliams Petrucelle
R: Jamieson Hall

2024 - Draft
R2: Best Available Mid
FA: Tim English

Delists: Nic Nat, HEdwards, SPS, Yeo?

2025 - Draft
R1: Best Available Mid
R2: Best Available KPF/D
R3: Best Available
FA: Sam Taylor

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(BIGGEST PRIORITY)

Delist (from): Jamieson, Cole, Hunt, Darling, Sheed, Cripps, McGovern

2026 - AFL (Prioritising youth pushing age out)
B: Hough Taylor Bazzo
HB: Gilbey Barrass Ginbey
M: Hardeman Robertson Chesser
HF: Culley Allen Long
F: Georgiades English Watson
R: MEdwards Reid Hewett

I (From): Burgiel Brockman 2024R2 2025R1 Hall Livingstone BWill Barnett

Alternatively Draft Curtin over Watson to play CHB and Brockman starts FP. Potentially Get Jimmy Tunstill back at the end of 2025 for a third/F3 if he can't crack Brisbane's team.

Appreciate the work you have done on this. Good read. Agree with most points.


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[paran]

Wardlaw indicated his preference was to remain in Vic.
Becoming all to common

Managers and prospect need to start getting fined... mandatory 4 year contracts too

 

[EdCurnowRules]

Norf have 2 wins already and the following possibly winnable games

• Giants and Suns
• Hawks at Marvel
• Eagles at Optus

Hawks have 2 wins already and the following possible winnable games

• Saints at Marvel twice
• Giants in Sydney
• Norf at Marvel
• Tigers at MCG

Meanwhile we have 1 win and the following possibly winnable games
- Optus hosting Saints Tigers and Norf

Our percentage is woeful meaning it is effectively a buffer if we end on the same wins.

The cavalry might be arriving coming but the confidence and lack of "synergy" is telling so I am not expecting much.

I more likely see us with pick 1 and if your scenario is right with B McKay, then Norf have 2 and 3. I can see the Hawks winning 2 or 3 more games.

I would think picks 2 and 3 would be almost enough to get pick 1. We might ask for the Port pick (currently 16) and give them one of second rounders back. The first of our second rounders is likely to be pick 1 on day 2 so comes with a premium. If it was the Port R2, count me in on that deal.

Geez ATG, I'm not sure we can get to within 10 goals of St Kilda...

 

[ziad]

Managers and prospect need to start getting fined... mandatory 4 year contracts too

Wardlaw had a preference to stay home and avoid disruption and inconvenience. Sounds reasonable. I have many preferences.
It is just rediculous that an interstate club would be swayed by a 'preference'. The whip hand is with the clubs.

 

[DanWCE]

Jon Ralph reckons we could have had SPP for a 3rd rounder with Port paying most of his contract. Surely that's not true.

Him saying we should have gone for Jackson is still as ridiculous as it's ever been. Watching Ginbey chop up for another side while Jackson was plodding around with his finger up his ass not getting a touch for us would've had the media salivating.

 

[bh90210fan]

I was a big Wardlaw fan but am more than happy with both Hewett and Ginbey. These two are going to be guns.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Jon Ralph reckons we could have had SPP for a 3rd rounder with Port paying most of his contract. Surely that's not true.

Him saying we should have gone for Jackson is still as ridiculous as it's ever been. Watching Ginbey chop up for another side while Jackson was plodding around with his finger up his ass not getting a touch for us would've had the media salivating.

Don’t understand why they would offload him for a cheap pick as well as also pay a chunk of his wage

 

[ZergMinion]

Don’t understand why they would offload him for a cheap pick as well as also pay a chunk of his wage

Guilt maybe?

 

[shooshka]

Jon Ralph reckons we could have had SPP for a 3rd rounder with Port paying most of his contract. Surely that's not true.

Him saying we should have gone for Jackson is still as ridiculous as it's ever been. Watching Ginbey chop up for another side while Jackson was plodding around with his finger up his ass not getting a touch for us would've had the media salivating.

Yeah can’t see port being that generous, or generous at all in a trade.

One thing we need to do (and am not at all saying the previous strategy was wrong, just that with ladder position change the strategy needs to change too) is stop being nice guys at the trade table.

We have earned significant credits at the trade table with clubs over time, paying fair or slightly over value (or adding a higher pick rather than being belligerent and sticking with a lower pick). It is time to start calling some of those in (or gently threatening the PSD).




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[eaglesnutcase]

Oscar Allen to chb....well I guess the username is appropriate

Very old comeback.Ho-hum! Nearly as silly as OA to the ruck?? Corse when the balls not coming into the forward line it makes sense to leave your best player at FF. Six touches was it?

 

[Obeanie1]

Don’t understand why they would offload him for a cheap pick as well as also pay a chunk of his wage

Yep. Haven't heard that one before.

Must have been around the time he was off the rails touching up girls at nightclubs off his tree.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yeah can’t see port being that generous, or generous at all in a trade.

One thing we need to do (and am not at all saying the previous strategy was wrong, just that with ladder position change the strategy needs to change too) is stop being nice guys at the trade table.

We have earned significant credits at the trade table with clubs over time, paying fair or slightly over value (or adding a higher pick rather than being belligerent and sticking with a lower pick). It is time to start calling some of those in (or gently threatening the PSD).




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What's the saying?

The nice guy always finishes last.

Well looking at the ladder, trade history and our list ATM. That saying is spot on.

 

[mehow2g]

Yeah can’t see port being that generous, or generous at all in a trade.

One thing we need to do (and am not at all saying the previous strategy was wrong, just that with ladder position change the strategy needs to change too) is stop being nice guys at the trade table.

We have earned significant credits at the trade table with clubs over time, paying fair or slightly over value (or adding a higher pick rather than being belligerent and sticking with a lower pick). It is time to start calling some of those in (or gently threatening the PSD).




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WCE and interstate teams generally have to be nice at the trade table because WA isn't the mecca of football Vic is and always will be young players prefer to be in Melbourne and it's proven to be the place to be for young talent on a lifestyle level, there is and has been a lot of WA talent staying in Vic for their whole career, rarely do we see them come back.

I agree with the general statement we are too nice but yeah we don't have the same leverage as Vic clubs.

 

[WCE_phil]

I like SPP as a player and it's not that he has become a significantly better player, the rule changes have significantly improved his game. His merry bunch of dickhead friends are all still here in WA and from what I have heard he is very professional about his footy but still struggles with the off field side of things in Adelaide. Bringing him back to WA imo is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[mehow2g]

Jon Ralph reckons we could have had SPP for a 3rd rounder with Port paying most of his contract. Surely that's not true.

Him saying we should have gone for Jackson is still as ridiculous as it's ever been. Watching Ginbey chop up for another side while Jackson was plodding around with his finger up his ass not getting a touch for us would've had the media salivating.

I don't know who Jon Ralph is but he sounds like he's just reaching to make a point of "eagles draft mistakes", Jackson was and still is unproven and Freo overpaid for him just like all WA trades really.

Jon Ralph would have a point if we missed out on a player like English as English is proven.

 

[Falco]

Watching that VFL game from Maric, he reminded me a bit of James Sicily

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when he was being played forward. At 193cm, unless he grows a bit more (if that is considered likely), he wont be able to play as a KPF at AFL level against FBs and CHBs who are creeping up to 200cms.

I wasn't impressed with Buller's kicking and I think he is too slow for AFL level. He has the size for the role, but seasoned observers might see the possibility for growth.

Whilst we need KPPs, I think Teal / Ryan probably address our weaknesses more. Does Teal have genuine scope for midfield? Or is he another Duggan?

 

[Tugga27]

Don’t understand why they would offload him for a cheap pick as well as also pay a chunk of his wage

Pretty sure that was when he went off the rails a bit.
Posted some dodgy pics on social media.

Was probably 2 or 3 years ago now.

 

[TerryFilk]

 

[WCE_phil]

Knowing how I think the club will select Buller as I think he's shit and has no room for growth in the AFL system. I'd much prefer to just stick fat with Jack Williams for 2 more years.

 

[WCE_phil]

Right and who here realistically think Nisbett doesn't control the numbers on the board.

 

[Barrybran]

Add half the board to the list of people to go

 

[ArdentEagle]

Right and who here realistically think Nisbett doesn't control the numbers on the board.

So Phil...Tell us what you really think of Nissy mate

 

[DanWCE]

I don't know who Jon Ralph is but he sounds like he's just reaching to make a point of "eagles draft mistakes", Jackson was and still is unproven and Freo overpaid for him just like all WA trades really.

Jon Ralph would have a point if we missed out on a player like English as English is proven.

The problem with Jon Ralph's take on Jackson is that's exactly the type of list management move that rightly or wrongly got us in this mess. Paying overs in draft capital to lure a player into the club instead of taking those picks to the draft and developing our own talent.

From a media perspective, taking our picks to the draft is boring, predictable and vanilla. It also affords the media no trade speculation, endless articles and talking points. So any opinions from the likes of journos you can take with a pinch of salt.

If Jon Ralph cared to consider the list we have and our approach to the last draft he would see it wasn't in fact boring at all. We were involved in the biggest ever multi club pick swap that unearthed two local talents at a period in time where we need to bring in as many high quality juniors as we can, and in a hurry. Selling the farm for a poster boy would have been incredibly reactionary and short sighted and set the club back further.

We'll conduct those moves when our draft capital is depreciating in value and get players to nominate us so there's less wriggle room for the other club.

 

[DanWCE]

The Vic media also seem to be wetting their beds at the prospect of Reid ending up in WA. Glorious.

 

[Farang83150]

Jon Ralph reckons we could have had SPP for a 3rd rounder with Port paying most of his contract. Surely that's not true.

Him saying we should have gone for Jackson is still as ridiculous as it's ever been. Watching Ginbey chop up for another side while Jackson was plodding around with his finger up his ass not getting a touch for us would've had the media salivating.

Saw that as well and thought BS