List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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SSP signing dates

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Mr Q]

The biggest issue is what they gave up to get that haul

Likely going to be a very lean next 2/3 years or so and will be interesting to see how well these kids develop in a team most likely getting hidings every week

Richmond will be interesting over the next few years.

If they fail to develop, then clubs will be much more leery of dumping their remaining experienced talent like the Tiggers did, because they'd be adding to the argument that Norf have made that you just can't develop players without some experienced support.

If they do develop OK, then serious questions would have to be asked how Norf have gone so badly with all the talent they've been able to pick up over the last few years (particularly if they do move forward this year now they've traded in some old heads to help out)

 

[squashface]

I just realized Dev is out of contract in 2025 …


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[AsterixTheGaul]

I don’t know how much Richmond’s injury list impacted their performance this year. I think I read somewhere that they were the worst hit team this season.

They were certainly going to drop with the loss of Cotchin, Reiwoldt, Dusty being a shadow of his former self.

I believe they have been pretty clear that they wanted to hit this draft, and next years hard, before Tassie impacted the drafts in a couple of years.

I don’t know if clubs view acl’s as a much of a risk. Many players these days recover from an ACL and go on to play as if they haven’t had an injury.

The main thing is the player misses his first year of development at AFL level.

So don’t know if Hotton is really a risk.


Many clubs have specific talent assessment and/or types. GWS and Sydney’s early picks were widely regarded as reaches.

Richmond obviously looking for a specific type of key forward (contested marking type, as opposed to a leading marking type).

I don’t know if Trainor’s concussions have been overplayed or not. It certainly appears more of a BigFooty topic than a draft media topic.

As for Smillie, he was widely regarded as the best player available at their second pick. If they went for a different player, there would be just as much discussion about the pick, as they deviated away from a consensus pick.


The main issue a lot of people have is the amount of picks they had.

I don’t see it as such a big issue as others have made out.

This year’s draft was widely regarded as very deep without the out and out top end talent.

The other thing it wasn’t, is heavily compromised. 2025 and 2026 currently look to be very compromised by father sons and nga academy and northern academy kids.

And Richmond were still able to push a late first in to next year’s probable top 3-5.

What a lot of space for the self proclaimed wise man from the east saying SFA

What the flock are you still doing on our board. I had hoped by now that you had progressed to the Richmond board but I guess their mods are less accomodating.

Can you please please please flock off

 

[briztoon]

The biggest issue is what they gave up to get that haul

Likely going to be a very lean next 2/3 years or so and will be interesting to see how well these kids develop in a team most likely getting hidings every week

They finished bottom with those four players as it was. They managed to get top dollar for everyone that left.

They’ve acknowledged as a club they’re going to be down the bottom for a couple of years.

There’s still some mature talent on their list, more so than what North or GC had when they hit rock bottom, they’ve just got to keep them healthy.

Will be interesting where they’re at when Tassie starts compromising the draft.

 

[We_The_West]

We started with:
Picks 3, 26 and 62
Barrass and Darling

We finished with:
Liam Baker
Jack Graham
Matt Owies
Bo Allan
Jobe Shanahan
Tom Gross
Lucca Grego
Hamish Davis
Malakai Champion
*2025 F1 and F2

Pretty happy with the overall, big picture result.

 

[Cuzz09]

plus get to death ride Hawthorn

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[Elite Pete]

They finished bottom with those four players as it was. They managed to get top dollar for everyone that left.

They’ve acknowledged as a club they’re going to be down the bottom for a couple of years.

There’s still some mature talent on their list, more so than what North or GC had when they hit rock bottom, they’ve just got to keep them healthy.

Will be interesting where they’re at when Tassie starts compromising the draft.

They finished bottom with those blokes playing most games last year (maybe besides Graham) but they had no coverage for their injuries this year, Which is what some are making excuses is to why they only won 2 games.

They also swung for the fences with their picks and took some risk on a lot of them. Talls are more of a risk, a bloke coming back from an ACL is a risk, concussion is a huge risk ect.

Like most teams, they will need some luck but great development. They ain’t an ‘interstate’ side so doubt they have mass exodus of kids and maybe why they stayed local too.

Richmond clearly wouldn’t have wanted it this way and will be interesting to see how it plays out with the list gurus of blow it all up earlier and trade your 25-26 stars for picks.

If they got the selections right and development them right they will be a team how can attract free agents in 2-3 years time which helps.

 

[MaxHunt]

What a lot of space for the self proclaimed wise man from the east saying SFA

What the flock are you still doing on our board. I had hoped by now that you had progressed to the Richmond board but I guess their mods are less accomodating.

Can you please please please flock off

Mate, do yourself a favour and hit the ignore button. No need to stress yourself out.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

The biggest issue is what they gave up to get that haul

Likely going to be a very lean next 2/3 years or so and will be interesting to see how well these kids develop in a team most likely getting hidings every week

This is the problem is see .

At the end of 2026 Richmond will go to the afl after priority picks because they have won 3 spoons in a row .

Guys like Bolton, Baker and Graham are the leaders and senior players they need to be competitive .

Will the afl turn around and say no sorry you traded out the good senior players and now this mess is your own fault ?

Doubt it

 

[We_The_West]

This is the problem is see .

At the end of 2026 Richmond will go to the afl after priority picks because they have won 3 spoons in a row .

Guys like Bolton, Baker and Graham are the leaders and senior players they need to be competitive .

Will the afl turn around and say no sorry you traded out the good senior players and now this mess is your own fault ?

Doubt it

Richmond will go to the AFL for an assistance package at the end of 2025 after a winless season. They have so little experienced players left they can't afford to get injured.

With Tasmania coming in, no team will be wanting to hit the draft for a rebuild in the next few years.

It will be interesting to see which clubs outside of the 2024 bottom 3 are going to fall down the ladder at the absolute worst time this decade.

Personally, I hope it's any Victorian team and I hope they bring in additional action items from the competitive balance review to support "interstate" teams.

 

[shoutsatclouds]

This is the problem is see .

At the end of 2026 Richmond will go to the afl after priority picks because they have won 3 spoons in a row .

Guys like Bolton, Baker and Graham are the leaders and senior players they need to be competitive .

Will the afl turn around and say no sorry you traded out the good senior players and now this mess is your own fault ?

Doubt it

Was I wrong in thinking that these players actually requested transfers and nominate the clubs that they wanted to go to, or was it all a club-led clean-out...?

I need to know before I don me tin foil hat.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Was I wrong in thinking that these players actually requested transfers and nominate the clubs that they wanted to go to, or was it all a club-led clean-out...?

I need to know before I don me tin foil hat.

Bolton was contracted and they seemed happy Graham left even if the compo wasn't as good as they expected.

I suspect we paid well overs for Baker salary wise .

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Was I wrong in thinking that these players actually requested transfers and nominate the clubs that they wanted to go to, or was it all a club-led clean-out...?

I need to know before I don me tin foil hat.

I think it would be safe to assume that the Tigers did not put up a fight and took the opportunity to try reload before Tasmania arrive, rather than being stuck needing to reload right at the wrong time.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Is there a dedicated thread for this, there should be?
For all things related to pick 3, #14, Baker and Graham - it would be endless like the twilight zone, and keep a lot of people happy on both sides of the zone?

I think it's time for a Baker trade tears thread.
Maybe the thread below can be renamed and used for these discussions.

Jagga vs Baker, Owies, Allan and Gross - Who wins?

Who wins?

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[Elite Pete]

Was I wrong in thinking that these players actually requested transfers and nominate the clubs that they wanted to go to, or was it all a club-led clean-out...?

I need to know before I don me tin foil hat.

They apparently offered Graham 4 years to stay.

Their coach very publicly stated they wanted to keep Baker no matter what early in the year and he was OOC.

Similar with Rioli and Bolton, said they wanted to keep them (and 100% would’ve) but just so happened to all picked clubs who would pay overs to get them and had the draft capital.

Tigers weren’t going to knock that back (out of the ones they could Rioli and Bolton).

 

[stallon]

They apparently offered Graham 4 years to stay.

Their coach very publicly stated they wanted to keep Baker no matter what early in the year and he was OOC.

Similar with Rioli and Bolton, said they wanted to keep them (and 100% would’ve) but just so happened to all picked clubs who would pay overs to get them and had the draft capital.

Tigers weren’t going to knock that back (out of the ones they could Rioli and Bolton).

Yeah most likely a case of being happy to lose some of the players, but not all.

 

[TheNewAnchor]

The draft was weeks ago, time to move on! It produced a pretty good result for WC whether by design or luck....definitely a bit of both. All our young blokes (pre-2024 draft) are 12 months older and more developed. The demographic mix has also improved and we’ve got a new coach who appears to be more than capable.

The 2025 draft will see us with 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders and 2 third rounders, what’s not to like? I find it hard to criticise the status of our list compared to where we were three or four months ago. I would like to have seen Darling and Barrass stay, but on reflection, given their age and body issues WC made the right call.

One bloke who has more or less dropped off the radar is Archer Reid, but I think he could be the surprise packet of 2025. I’m not suggesting he’s a round 1 starter but there’s a hell of a lot to like in the Archer Reid package, given his size and dexterity. Bazzo is also in a similar situation to Reid. Then you throw in Hewett, B Allan, Baker, Owies and Graham and it's hard not to see some measurable improvement in 2025.

 

[Keys]

North Melbourne:
2017 - 15th (6 wins)
2018 - 9th (12 wins)
2019 - 12th (10 wins)
2020 - 17th (3 wins)
2021 - 18th (4 wins, 1 draw)
2022 - 18th (3 wins)*
2023 - 17th (2 wins)**
2024 - 17th (2wins)

* Received 1xF2,1xF3 picks tied to finishing position that had to be traded
** Received 1x end of R1, 2x end of F1 picks

West Coast:
2021 - 9th (10 wins)
2022 - 17th (2 wins)
2023 - 18th (3 wins)
2024 - 16th (5 wins)

Richmond:
2023 - 13th (10 wins, 1 draw)
2024 - 18th (2 wins)

The absolute earliest Richmond might get assistance is the end of 2026 based on North having 3 consecutive bottom two finishes and getting minor concessions. But we didn’t get any after 3 poor years so that’s set a standard that should rule out Richmond receiving anything

A fourth consecutive poor year in 2027, should that happen, might justify some concessions like North received in 2023 but there would be considerable push back from clubs given -
• 2027 will already be a heavily compromised draft due to Tasmania entering the competition
• Richmond are a strong club financially with a large membership base
• They won the 3rd of 3 flags in 4 years as recently as 2020
• Assuming we finish bottom 3 again in 2025 and don’t receive any assistance then Richmond there’s a standard set that should rule out anything for Richmond

They’ll need to be very bad for at least 3 more years to even be a slight chance of getting concessions

 

[amazingjoshy]

North Melbourne:
2017 - 15th (6 wins)
2018 - 9th (12 wins)
2019 - 12th (10 wins)
2020 - 17th (3 wins)
2021 - 18th (4 wins, 1 draw)
2022 - 18th (3 wins)*
2023 - 17th (2 wins)**
2024 - 17th (2wins)

* Received 1xF2,1xF3 picks tied to finishing position that had to be traded
** Received 1x end of R1, 2x end of F1 picks

West Coast:
2021 - 9th (10 wins)
2022 - 17th (2 wins)
2023 - 18th (3 wins)
2024 - 16th (5 wins)

Richmond:
2023 - 13th (10 wins, 1 draw)
2024 - 18th (2 wins)

The absolute earliest Richmond might get assistance is the end of 2026 based on North having 3 consecutive bottom two finishes and getting minor concessions. But we didn’t get any after 3 poor years so that’s set a standard that should rule Richmond receiving anything

A fourth consecutive poor year in 2027, should that happen, might justify some concessions like North received for n 2023 but there would be considerable push back from clubs given -
• 2027 will already be a heavily compromised draft due to Tasmania entering the competition
• Richmond are a strong club financially with a large membership base
• They won the 3rd of 3 flags in 4 years as recently as 2020
• Assuming we finish bottom 3 again in 2025 and don’t receive any assistance then Richmond there’s a standard set that should rule out anything for Richmond

They’ll need to be very bad for at least 3 more years to even be a slight chance of getting concessions

Don't disagree with any of this

But you do realise this is the AFL you're talking about right?

 

[bzparkes]

Don't disagree with any of this

But you do realise this is the AFL you're talking about right?

Well, we were ruled out of any assistance because we won a flag 6 years earlier.

With Richmond winning 3 flags, that should rule them out for 18 years.

Also, Dillon's stance is that he's anti-assistance and clubs should work it out themselves.

 

[Lazzas]

There’s still prolonged rage, it’s not just initial. I’m glad he’s receiving praise like that on the track but no one will ever convince me that he was worth pick 14.

Can we leave this now. Your like a broken record.

 

[briztoon]

North Melbourne:
2017 - 15th (6 wins)
2018 - 9th (12 wins)
2019 - 12th (10 wins)
2020 - 17th (3 wins)
2021 - 18th (4 wins, 1 draw)
2022 - 18th (3 wins)*
2023 - 17th (2 wins)**
2024 - 17th (2wins)

* Received 1xF2,1xF3 picks tied to finishing position that had to be traded
** Received 1x end of R1, 2x end of F1 picks

West Coast:
2021 - 9th (10 wins)
2022 - 17th (2 wins)
2023 - 18th (3 wins)
2024 - 16th (5 wins)

Richmond:
2023 - 13th (10 wins, 1 draw)
2024 - 18th (2 wins)

The absolute earliest Richmond might get assistance is the end of 2026 based on North having 3 consecutive bottom two finishes and getting minor concessions. But we didn’t get any after 3 poor years so that’s set a standard that should rule Richmond receiving anything

A fourth consecutive poor year in 2027, should that happen, might justify some concessions like North received for n 2023 but there would be considerable push back from clubs given -
• 2027 will already be a heavily compromised draft due to Tasmania entering the competition
• Richmond are a strong club financially with a large membership base
• They won the 3rd of 3 flags in 4 years as recently as 2020
• Assuming we finish bottom 3 again in 2025 and don’t receive any assistance then Richmond there’s a standard set that should rule out anything for Richmond

They’ll need to be very bad for at least 3 more years to even be a slight chance of getting concessions

You’re worth more money.

 

[briztoon]

Richmond will go to the AFL for an assistance package at the end of 2025 after a winless season. They have so little experienced players left they can't afford to get injured.

With Tasmania coming in, no team will be wanting to hit the draft for a rebuild in the next few years.

It will be interesting to see which clubs outside of the 2024 bottom 3 are going to fall down the ladder at the absolute worst time this decade.

Melbourne and Collingwood the most likely candidates.

Maybe Carlton as well, as Cripps ages out somewhere around ‘26 or ‘27.

And possibly Port.

Personally, I hope it's any Victorian team and I hope they bring in additional action items from the competitive balance review to support "interstate" teams.

 

[EagleEgo]

We should look at the overall result and should not look at individual trade or pick. Most people believed that there were private adjustments made.

 

[Obeanie1]

Richmond will go to the AFL for an assistance package at the end of 2025 after a winless season. They have so little experienced players left they can't afford to get injured.

With Tasmania coming in, no team will be wanting to hit the draft for a rebuild in the next few years.

It will be interesting to see which clubs outside of the 2024 bottom 3 are going to fall down the ladder at the absolute worst time this decade.

Personally, I hope it's any Victorian team and I hope they bring in additional action items from the competitive balance review to support "interstate" teams.

Richmond just won 3 premierships. Just ask their fans.

How the AFL could justify any assistance package this early is totally beyond logic.