List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Obeanie1]

Well, we were ruled out of any assistance because we won a flag 6 years earlier.

With Richmond winning 3 flags, that should rule them out for 18 years.

Also, Dillon's stance is that he's anti-assistance and clubs should work it out themselves.

Until the AFL profits are affected. Then he will change tune.

 

[Dylan82]

I just realized Dev is out of contract in 2025 …

Likely to be delisted if current circumstances do not change.

Question will be if he wants to leave Qld and whether any other clubs will chase for him.


If mid-season trading does come in during 2025 as anticipated for players who have not featured in any matches for a club by the bye period, I can foresee D.Robertson being a leading candidate for involvement in such a move - particularly if Brisbane's 2025 cohort of academy products overperforms and the Lions feel a need to chase extra points.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Well, we were ruled out of any assistance because we won a flag 6 years earlier.

With Richmond winning 3 flags, that should rule them out for 18 years.

Also, Dillon's stance is that he's anti-assistance and clubs should work it out themselves.

I wasn't disputing the logic or fairness of Keys post

But this is the AFL we're talking about. They literally make it up as they go

 

[bzparkes]

I wasn't disputing the logic or fairness of Keys post

But this is the AFL we're talking about. They literally make it up as they go

Oh for sure but Dillon's already stated he's against priority picks, so will be interesting to see what reaction he'd have to Richmond begging for them in a couple of years' time.

 

[EagleEgo]

Looks like we are going to benefit from Hawthorn 's misfortune.

Hawthorn suffers injury blow that could leave attack short in 2025 | Sporting News Australia

www.sportingnews.com

 

[Obeanie1]

I wasn't disputing the logic or fairness of Keys post

But this is the AFL we're talking about. They literally make it up as they go

They do to an extent.

But how they would spin handing out draft assistance to a recent 3 x premiership club when the likes of Saint Kilda get SFA?

North recieved help because they were uncompetitive for a very long time.

Richmond just had their most successful era in their entire history.

 

[mattyc75]

They apparently offered Graham 4 years to stay.

Their coach very publicly stated they wanted to keep Baker no matter what early in the year and he was OOC.

Similar with Rioli and Bolton, said they wanted to keep them (and 100% would’ve) but just so happened to all picked clubs who would pay overs to get them and had the draft capital.

Tigers weren’t going to knock that back (out of the ones they could Rioli and Bolton).

Most coaches/ recruitment ppl are smart enough to say they'd like to keep their players regardless of what's actually going on.
Makes it a lot easier to get decent value

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[amazingjoshy]

They do to an extent.

But how they would spin handing out draft assistance to a recent 3 x premiership club when the likes of Saint Kilda get SFA?

North recieved help because they were uncompetitive for a very long time.

Richmond just had their most successful era in their entire history.

I wasn't in anyway justifying Richmond getting PPs, i was showing my complete lack of faith in the people running our game

 

[plays tall 1]

As far as I know we haven’t asked for priority picks in these recent seasons. That’ll make it easier for Dillon to justify giving priority picks to Richmond.

The comments Dillon made on the subject of priority picks for WCE last year were clearly his own view and not the view of the AFL.

 

[Dylan82]

Richmond will go to the AFL for an assistance package at the end of 2025 after a winless season. They have so little experienced players left they can't afford to get injured.

With Tasmania coming in, no team will be wanting to hit the draft for a rebuild in the next few years.

It will be interesting to see which clubs outside of the 2024 bottom 3 are going to fall down the ladder at the absolute worst time this decade.

Personally, I hope it's any Victorian team and I hope they bring in additional action items from the competitive balance review to support "interstate" teams.

Without question they will go cap in hand - it's pretty clear that's part of the plan. Trade out everything, draft kids, get thumped, and then get more picks for kids before Tasmania comes in.

Their numerous advocates in the media will be starting the campaign before Easter. Look out for signs such as "it's not a good look", "distorting the league" and "the competition is better when the big 4 are up". This will plant the seed that will allow the Tigers to put such a request in and avoid the level of ire they deserve.

The request will be denied, but FA compensation shenanigans with T.Lynch will likely occur despite being perma-injured and 32 years old.

Richmond just won 3 premierships. Just ask their fans.

How the AFL could justify any assistance package this early is totally beyond logic.

The above media advocacy will soften the field for an assistance package. By the time 2026 comes around, it will be dubbed as a "crisis" that needs significant intervention from HQ to prevent a "disaster" from occurring with Tasmania's impending addition. In Victoria, football is politics; money will change hands, projects will be funded - Richmond will no doubt get the assistance package they desire.

Until the AFL profits are affected. Then he will change tune.

The Tigers will get their assistance, but it won't be due to financial reasons. Whilst Richmond's on-field period of success did coincide with a step-change in revenue for the AFL, it is more likely an outcome of a new broadcast agreement coming into effect prior to 2017. If you want to look for the key drivers of revenue, you now need to go outside of Victoria - with participation rates increasing by over 50% in NSW and Qld in the past decade, the success of northern clubs has become the biggest dollar-spinner in the league.




Richmond finished dead last this year, yet the AFL is forecast to post record revenues on the back of an all-northern states Grand Final.

Viewed in this context, it demonstrates why the distortion of northern academies still exists and the continual leg-ups Gold Coast receive in attempts to manufacture success for them.

 

[mat11]

When people write off a player for years and they somehow still hang around, I think of Andrew Embley. There was much dislike here for him in the early Bigfooty years until he shut everyone up, and that was years into his career. When Port? offered at one point to trade for him, there was much scoffing that the offer wasn't taken up - until suddenly he was a good player the next season.

(I don't really expect Petrucelle to become Embley, but I'm always willing to give someone a go once they're on the list for the year)

He sucks mate to put it bluntly, his story of survival is almost inspiring

 

[MrWoollie]

This is the problem is see .

At the end of 2026 Richmond will go to the afl after priority picks because they have won 3 spoons in a row .

Guys like Bolton, Baker and Graham are the leaders and senior players they need to be competitive .

Will the afl turn around and say no sorry you traded out the good senior players and now this mess is your own fault ?

Doubt it

Been said by others but...
And will the AFL turn around and say 'you're a recent premiership (x 3) side so you get nothing'?

The bar has been set on that particular measure.

 

[Elite Pete]

Most coaches/ recruitment ppl are smart enough to say they'd like to keep their players regardless of what's actually going on.
Makes it a lot easier to get decent value

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of course but was reported throughout the year that they were very keen to keep Baker by multiple sources. 4 year offer shows they were keen to keep Graham.

Rioli and Bolton who knows, the offers were to great to say no

 

[briztoon]

They finished bottom with those blokes playing most games last year (maybe besides Graham) but they had no coverage for their injuries this year, Which is what some are making excuses is to why they only won 2 games.

Hard to draft good players when you’re picking at the end of each round during a premiership era.

Also hard to keep good depth players outside the best 22.

Beyond Richmond, very few teams have significant depth in the current era, and would struggle with a long injury list.

They also swung for the fences with their picks and took some risk on a lot of them. Talls are more of a risk, a bloke coming back from an ACL is a risk, concussion is a huge risk ect.

As I mentioned in my previous post, teams don’t view ACL’s such a high risk these days.

Teams have to take and develop talls at some point in their rebuild, otherwise they end up with a list similar to North.

Question might be, did Richmond take the right tall forwards.

Like most teams, they will need some luck but great development. They ain’t an ‘interstate’ side so doubt they have mass exodus of kids and maybe why they stayed local too.

Richmond clearly wouldn’t have wanted it this way and will be interesting to see how it plays out with the list gurus of blow it all up earlier and trade your 25-26 stars for picks.

1 star. 1 good player. 1 quality role player. 1 workman like role player.

If they got the selections right and development them right they will be a team how can attract free agents in 2-3 years time which helps.

Might take a little longer than 2 or 3 years for them to right the ship and become a destination club again.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

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Having just returned from a trip to Melbourne and getting a few glimpses of the Herald Sun, I find it quite surprising how bullish people are on Richmond's draft haul.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one in this camp, but looking at the above I find at least 3 of the picks quite speculative.

Lalor I believe will be a gun and a great pick. Smillie has a high ceiling, but a lower probability of becoming an A grade mid just based on the fact 195cm mids are fewer and far between.

Hotton we just didn't see enough of in his draft year. He played a few great early games, but I would still say that pick 12 is a high value pick to be used on an injured player, albeit if any team had a quantity of picks and could afford a gamble, then Richmond was that team.

Jonty Faull I do rate and believe he has a chance of making it in the AFL. I just didn't have him rated as the #1 KPF.

Trainor with his concussions issues seems pretty speculative, especially given he is classed more as an interceptor rather than a lockdown defender (surely interceptors backing into packs doesn't bode well for concussion probability). As well as Thomas Sims but only because he was taken ahead of Jobe which was a surprise to a lot of people.

As a WC supporter however, I couldn't be any happier with their draft. The fact that we had Bo Allan, Jobe Shanahan and Tom Gross all slide to our picks seems too good to be true and I have high hopes for those 3 in particular.

I know probably half the draftees from the past 3 years will probably not make the cut, but I feel more confident that we are heading in the right direction and will take another valuable step in 2025... at least compared to Richmond.

Got to say I 100% agree and I was going to post something similar straight after the draft as the Tigers shocked me.

For a team who absolutely nailed the trade period, really was phenomenal what they brought in. I think their draft haul really underwhelmed.

Lalor, I'm a big fan. Watching him live you can see the talent and atheletic profile.
But he's had injury worries pretty much every year, has played cricket most years so hasn't done a preseason. I worry about those injuries moving fwd.

Smillie great pick. No issue.

Hotton and Faull, shocked me to be honest. Hotton set back with knee is concerning and Faull I like but better options for KPF.

Armstrong great selection.
Trainor, he's apparently been cleared of concussion issues but he's had plenty in younger years that I reported to a few back in May. Aiden O'Driscoll had to retire mid year as a draftee last year because of it. Another risky pick.

Norf trade great deal.

Sims, handy type but there was way better options left. Way better options.

Alger late was a nice pick.

The haul could pay off, but also could go the other way.

 

[Monocle]

Got to say I 100% agree and I was going to post something similar straight after the draft as the Tigers shocked me.

For a team who absolutely nailed the trade period, really was phenomenal what they brought in. I think their draft haul really underwhelmed.

Lalor, I'm a big fan. Watching him live you can see the talent and atheletic profile.
But he's had injury worries pretty much every year, has played cricket most years so hasn't done a preseason. I worry about those injuries moving fwd.

Smillie great pick. No issue.

Hotton and Faull, shocked me to be honest. Hotton set back with knee is concerning and Faull I like but better options for KPF.

Armstrong great selection.
Trainor, he's apparently been cleared of concussion issues but he's had plenty in younger years that I reported to a few back in May. Aiden O'Driscoll had to retire mid year as a draftee last year because of it. Another risky pick.

Norf trade great deal.

Sims, handy type but there was way better options left. Way better options.

Alger late was a nice pick.

The haul could pay off, but also could go the other way.

Good summary.
I have similar concerns about the same players.

I would have taken Lalor with pick 1, well worth the risk.
Smillie
Armstrong
Alger - a very solid get with a late pick.


Sims over J Whitlock or Shanahan, real head scratcher for me, but that all worked to our advantage.

I though that Richmond did "okish" BUT didn't go anywhere near close to maximising their draft capital.

I would give them a B- for their draft haul.

 

[eaglevision]

Good summary.
I have similar concerns about the same players.

I would have taken Lalor with pick 1, well worth the risk.
Smillie
Armstrong
Alger - a very solid get with a late pick.


Sims over J Whitlock or Shanahan, real head scratcher for me, but that all worked to our advantage.

I though that Richmond did "okish" BUT didn't go anywhere near close to maximising their draft capital.

I would give them a B- for their draft haul.

Got to say I 100% agree and I was going to post something similar straight after the draft as the Tigers shocked me.

For a team who absolutely nailed the trade period, really was phenomenal what they brought in. I think their draft haul really underwhelmed.

Lalor, I'm a big fan. Watching him live you can see the talent and atheletic profile.
But he's had injury worries pretty much every year, has played cricket most years so hasn't done a preseason. I worry about those injuries moving fwd.

Smillie great pick. No issue.

Hotton and Faull, shocked me to be honest. Hotton set back with knee is concerning and Faull I like but better options for KPF.

Armstrong great selection.
Trainor, he's apparently been cleared of concussion issues but he's had plenty in younger years that I reported to a few back in May. Aiden O'Driscoll had to retire mid year as a draftee last year because of it. Another risky pick.

Norf trade great deal.

Sims, handy type but there was way better options left. Way better options.

Alger late was a nice pick.

The haul could pay off, but also could go the other way.

Trainor, Hotton and especially Lalor were high risk, high reward. With their hand they could afford to take the risk, if we had pick 1 instead of 3 there’s no way I would have selected Lalor with our draft hand. Sims absolutely baffling, Faull is a very good player but still surprised they didn’t take Shanahan.

 

[Hook461123]

I don’t know how much Richmond’s injury list impacted their performance this year. I think I read somewhere that they were the worst hit team this season.

They were certainly going to drop with the loss of Cotchin, Reiwoldt, Dusty being a shadow of his former self.

I believe they have been pretty clear that they wanted to hit this draft, and next years hard, before Tassie impacted the drafts in a couple of years.

I don’t know if clubs view acl’s as a much of a risk. Many players these days recover from an ACL and go on to play as if they haven’t had an injury.

The main thing is the player misses his first year of development at AFL level.

So don’t know if Hotton is really a risk.


Many clubs have specific talent assessment and/or types. GWS and Sydney’s early picks were widely regarded as reaches.

Richmond obviously looking for a specific type of key forward (contested marking type, as opposed to a leading marking type).

I don’t know if Trainor’s concussions have been overplayed or not. It certainly appears more of a BigFooty topic than a draft media topic.

As for Smillie, he was widely regarded as the best player available at their second pick. If they went for a different player, there would be just as much discussion about the pick, as they deviated away from a consensus pick.


The main issue a lot of people have is the amount of picks they had.

I don’t see it as such a big issue as others have made out.

This year’s draft was widely regarded as very deep without the out and out top end talent.

The other thing it wasn’t, is heavily compromised. 2025 and 2026 currently look to be very compromised by father sons and nga academy and northern academy kids.

And Richmond were still able to push a late first in to next year’s probable top 3-5.

If that was the Eagles draft you'd be talking the picks down big time, questioning their midfield credentials, highlighting the risks and the inevitable years of pain that you like to remind us of all the time.

Considering what picks they started with I think they did ok but not great. IMO they have gone a bit one dimensional. Lalor, Smillie, Taranto, Hopper are all big bullocking midfielders. With Sharp looking like the top pick next year being similiar as well. I think a faster, more dynamic mid like Jagga or Draper would've suited them better.

It has been really frustrating watching North, GCS and Tigers get all these 1st round picks while we have had 1 pick inside 30. If we are to rise above them without priority picks and with all the compromised drafts it will be an amazing effort.
Lucky there’s more to building a team then just stockpiling 1st round picks

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

As I mentioned in my previous post, teams don’t view ACL’s such a high risk these days.

Not what I’ve heard in so far as an interstate club drafting a Vic draftee. Having your first year in rehab is not a good thing and you can expect WA clubs to place a significant discount factor on them.

Medical improvements yes but do not discount the misery of missing being with the full squad. That was one of the big gripes about the AFL releasing only limited details to the point of perceived injury coverups

 

[ToastieBoy18]

I spoke with someone very close to Chad Warner yesterday. They confirmed that Chad purchased a house in Bicton and it isn’t seen as an investment- meaning he is intending on living in it in 2026.

At this early stage he, his management and his family are all favouring West Coast. The thought on teaming up with Harley being one of the main reasons.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out this year.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Trainor, Hotton and especially Lalor were high risk, high reward. With their hand they could afford to take the risk, if we had pick 1 instead of 3 there’s no way I would have selected Lalor with our draft hand. Sims absolutely baffling, Faull is a very good player but still surprised they didn’t take Shanahan.

Hotton was not a reach . He is everything we want chesser to be . High end skill and pace .

Hotton was a massive flight risk even though when his draft stocks were going down he was saying he would go anywhere he was still a risk .

When you have 7 picks in the first 25 a no point in playing it safe .

Hotton is very much in the shane Edwards mould . May take a few years to get his career going but be a gun by the end

 

[eaglevision]

Hotton was not a reach . He is everything we want chesser to be . High end skill and pace .

Hotton was a massive flight risk even though when his draft stocks were going down he was saying he would go anywhere he was still a risk .

When you have 7 picks in the first 25 a no point in playing it safe .

Hotton is very much in the shane Edwards mould . May take a few years to get his career going but be a gun by the end

I don’t think I said reach I said risk. His knee is a problem, moreso than usual but yes, as I said Richmond could afford the risk. No way we could with our pick. Not doubting his ceiling but there is doubt in his ability to get back on the park and hit his ceiling, especially in Perth.

 

[briztoon]

If that was the Eagles draft you'd be talking the picks down big time, questioning their midfield credentials, highlighting the risks and the inevitable years of pain that you like to remind us of all the time.

Considering what picks they started with I think they did ok but not great. IMO they have gone a bit one dimensional. Lalor, Smillie, Taranto, Hopper are all big bullocking midfielders. With Sharp looking like the top pick next year being similiar as well. I think a faster, more dynamic mid like Jagga or Draper would've suited them better.

It has been really frustrating watching North, GCS and Tigers get all these 1st round picks while we have had 1 pick inside 30. If we are to rise above them without priority picks and with all the compromised drafts it will be an amazing effort.
Lucky there’s more to building a team then just stockpiling 1st round picks

I haven’t said squat about the Eagles draft haul.

I gave my opinion of Allan pre-draft, and have stuck to it. My opinion pre-draft lined up with quite a few posters here, including WCE_phil.

I haven’t given a “grade” or an opinion as whole of Richmond’s haul either.

I have tried to look at why they took who they did, and I agree with some of the basics of their draft, without agreeing to some of the personal, which I’ve tried to explain here.

As an example, I’m not particularly high on Smillie and would have gone a different player at that selection. But some of that is in hindsight, seeing what they got from the North trade.

 

[briztoon]

Good summary.
I have similar concerns about the same players.

I would have taken Lalor with pick 1, well worth the risk.
Smillie
Armstrong
Alger - a very solid get with a late pick.


Sims over J Whitlock or Shanahan, real head scratcher for me, but that all worked to our advantage.

I believe they view Sims as a forward ruck, and probably hope he can develop into the good version of Peter Right. So they hope Sims develops into a third tall forward ruck role, instead of the type of third tall Shanahan develops in to.

Pure speculation, they didn’t go either Whitlock, as they give off King twin vibes.

I though that Richmond did "okish" BUT didn't go anywhere near close to maximising their draft capital.

I would give them a B- for their draft haul.

 

[briztoon]

If that was the Eagles draft you'd be talking the picks down big time, questioning their midfield credentials, highlighting the risks and the inevitable years of pain that you like to remind us of all the time.

Considering what picks they started with I think they did ok but not great. IMO they have gone a bit one dimensional. Lalor, Smillie, Taranto, Hopper are all big bullocking midfielders. With Sharp looking like the top pick next year being similiar as well. I think a faster, more dynamic mid like Jagga or Draper would've suited them better.

Definitely agree with this, in regards to the Smillie selection.

It has been really frustrating watching North, GCS and Tigers get all these 1st round picks while we have had 1 pick inside 30. If we are to rise above them without priority picks and with all the compromised drafts it will be an amazing effort.
Lucky there’s more to building a team then just stockpiling 1st round picks

Look, at the risk of copping another verbal flogging again, this was the number one concern I mentioned here when I first arrived here.

And it’s remained so.

I haven’t really criticised who you’ve picked after each draft.

I’ve had my uneducated opinion on kids during their U17/U18 years, just like many other posters here.

And held those views in to those players careers.

Because you’re a WA team, there tends to be more discussion on WA kids here, and you’ve picked more than a few of top end WA kids in recent drafts.