Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[Burningleviathan]

Not to defend the WHO but aren’t wet markets just... fresh food markets? The problem isn’t wet markets the problem is unsanitary practices within them, surely?

Which what the WHO said originally.

"The WHO last week claimed China's wet markets could be made to sell safe food with increased hygiene practices and refused to support their closure as they are an important source of food and income."

Australia pressures WHO after it backed reopening China's wet markets

Prime Minister Scott Morrison demanded transparency in understanding the origin of the disease and protection from the global threat of China's notorious open marketplaces.

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So basically the WHO are making the NEGAN and Strapping Tape argument.

 

[JHF1870]

I previously predicted June 12 for a start to footy. Not too far off if they're talking late June.

I still think they should look at restricted crowds for games. Social distancing clearly works so why not set up games with small crowds evenly spaced apart. 125 people per bay, spaced 6 seats apart alternating for each row. I'm not sure how many bays stadiums have but that would seem reasonable.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Clinical staff caring for covid-19 patients take extensive precautions. They are covered almost head to toe in protective gear. But still they get infected. Very small oversights/mistakes can cause a transmission like a soiled medical gown coming into contact with your face while you're in the process of removing the gown. There are quite a few examples like that. Because it's so infectious it only takes a small oversight/mistake for a transmission to happen.

Spain's health workers have been hit hard compared to many other countries. This bit from a report on Spain covers health workers and what happens when they get sick and health system is overstretched.

After more than 17,000 deaths, how Spain is coping with COVID-19

Spain is among the countries hit hardest by COVID-19 so far. But after more than 17,000 deaths and weeks of a strict lockdown, workers in some non-essential industries returned to their jobs Monday. The easing of restrictions is controversial in a nation whose medical community has suffered...

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With four weeks of tough quarantine measures finally taking effect, Madrid's overwhelmed health system is grasping back control. But with personal protective equipment and testing kits still in short supply, health workers in many of the city's hospitals are still at serious risk of infection.

In no other country have doctors and nurses been hit so hard. They make up around 14 percent of all Spain's infections, and are sent home to self-isolate precisely when they are needed most.

Shortages led to a dire creativity, medical workers using plastic bags for protection. While supplies have improved significantly in the last two weeks, the damage has already been done in Madrid's ill-prepared nursing homes. Nearly 800 residents who tested positive have died.

But regional officials have said that almost 3,500 dead with similar symptoms are not counted in official statistics.

 

[JHF1870]

Spain's health workers have been hit hard compared to many other countries. This bit from a report on Spain covers health workers and what happens when they get sick and health system is overstretched.

After more than 17,000 deaths, how Spain is coping with COVID-19

Spain is among the countries hit hardest by COVID-19 so far. But after more than 17,000 deaths and weeks of a strict lockdown, workers in some non-essential industries returned to their jobs Monday. The easing of restrictions is controversial in a nation whose medical community has suffered...

www.pbs.org

With four weeks of tough quarantine measures finally taking effect, Madrid's overwhelmed health system is grasping back control. But with personal protective equipment and testing kits still in short supply, health workers in many of the city's hospitals are still at serious risk of infection.

In no other country have doctors and nurses been hit so hard. They make up around 14 percent of all Spain's infections, and are sent home to self-isolate precisely when they are needed most.

Shortages led to a dire creativity, medical workers using plastic bags for protection. While supplies have improved significantly in the last two weeks, the damage has already been done in Madrid's ill-prepared nursing homes. Nearly 800 residents who tested positive have died.

But regional officials have said that almost 3,500 dead with similar symptoms are not counted in official statistics.

We could have sent people over there to relieve staff.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

We could have sent people over there to relieve staff.

Why? Do you reckon a Spanish speaking patient who is under fear of dying wants to deal with someone who can't talk Spanish?

On death's door do you want to be looked after by a doctor and nurse who can't speak English?

 

[Magus]

Not to defend the WHO but aren’t wet markets just... fresh food markets? The problem isn’t wet markets the problem is unsanitary practices within them, surely?

The exotic nature of the animals has to be taken into account. You have different species stored next to/on top of eachother that should never be close to one another and its easy for disease to transfer. This is not a simple farm yard or seafood market.
As tribey pointed out a while ago too, bats are just bad news.

 

[Interstater]

I previously predicted June 12 for a start to footy. Not too far off if they're talking late June.

I still think they should look at restricted crowds for games. Social distancing clearly works so why not set up games with small crowds evenly spaced apart. 125 people per bay, spaced 6 seats apart alternating for each row. I'm not sure how many bays stadiums have but that would seem reasonable.

Good luck deciding which of the people who have prepaid for tickets gets to go along.

 

[Forzaport]

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

With our increase in ICU beds and ventilators, Australia is going to be more than well equipped to handle any clusters of break outs that occur. No one is saying that society should just return to normal. But you can't keep a straight face using the weather as the primary argument for extending any kind of lockdown when you consider the low rate of new infections, the increased medical capacity etc. If we were going to remain in a lock down with everyone staying inside and doing sweet F all for the next 6 months, there would have been no need to increase the capacity of the medical system in the first place.

True but we will see a spike in winter. How big and how bad depends on how disciplined we are now.

 

[JHF1870]

Good luck deciding which of the people who have prepaid for tickets gets to go along.

1870 members #1, raffle the rest.

 

[JHF1870]

Why? Do you reckon a Spanish speaking patient who is under fear of dying wants to deal with someone who can't talk Spanish?

On death's door do you want to be looked after by a doctor and nurse who can't speak English?

I think all you care about is living.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Under the Biosecurity Act the Federal Minister has the absolute authority in the matter and as a Human Biosecurity Emergency was enacted by the Governor-General a few weeks back the Minister is within his legal right to say 'no' . I know this because Professor George Williams, Dean of the Faculty of Law at Uni NSW went through the powers of the Commonwealth on the ABC yesterday morning. Williams described Greg Hunt as, 'the most powerful man in the land at present'. The link below may help explain what George Williams was on about.

Oh I'm not talking about authority or anything. I'm simply talking about optics and PR. No one in the Government wants to be the one who shutdown sport. Its kind of political suicide.

Its why the approach to all these events has been softly, softly with the Government just hoping the organising bodies do the right thing. Rather than just slapping them down. And of course its led to stupidities like people gathering at the gates for the Australian GP.

As for the States, Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has just got through telling the NRL that there will be no exceptions for them re border closures. As a result the Gold Coast Titans have indicated they are prepared to relocate to NSW for the duration.

My comment was in reference to when the AFL shutdown in response to SA and WA annoucing travel restrictions. The State Governments at the time were looking at exemptions to their border controls to allow the AFL to continue, but the AFL itself made the decision to shutdown anyway because it didn't think that it having exemptions was the right look.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Good luck deciding which of the people who have prepaid for tickets gets to go along.

Only way would be if you have some computer program written to pick out reserved seat holders to attend one game of the seven or eight home games left and you would chose maybe 1,500 spectators a game and those seats are far enough away from each other. But that would still mean plenty of fans with reserved seats would miss out. How complicated a program is to write? how fair is it? What about visiting fans. How many police and security people do you employ to police it, you would have to have a long slow entry and exit process to make sure people stay a long way away from each other etc etc etc.

In other words. Too bloody hard.

 

[PowerBaz]

With our increase in ICU beds and ventilators, Australia is going to be more than well equipped to handle any clusters of break outs that occur. No one is saying that society should just return to normal. But you can't keep a straight face using the weather as the primary argument for extending any kind of lockdown when you consider the low rate of new infections, the increased medical capacity etc. If we were going to remain in a lock down with everyone staying inside and doing sweet F all for the next 6 months, there would have been no need to increase the capacity of the medical system in the first place.

I guess you have to prepare for the worst don't we though? Winter will see an increase in other winter ailments too. I have no idea when they will ease restrictions, but surely there is no point getting to this point and then loosen the strings.

I have spent more time riding bikes with my kids whilst the world has slowed a little it's made me feel like it was when I was a kid again, not a bad thing to have more time keeping it all simpler..

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I think all you care about is living.

Not when you are dying, fear is your motivator and you don't want to be dealing with someone who doesn't speak your language.

It's why doctors in Oz, who don't look anglo and have a strong accent and are working in emergency departments or departments where people are in intensive care, eg cardio, cancer etc, say they have been racially abused by patients. Fear is a big driver.

 

[raptalia]

Oh I'm not talking about authority or anything. I'm simply talking about optics and PR. No one in the Government wants to be the one who shutdown sport. Its kind of political suicide.

Its why the approach to all these events has been softly, softly with the Government just hoping the organising bodies do the right thing. Rather than just slapping them down. And of course its led to stupidities like people gathering at the gates for the Australian GP.


My comment was in reference to when the AFL shutdown in response to SA and WA annoucing travel restrictions. The State Governments at the time were looking at exemptions to their border controls to allow the AFL to continue, but the AFL itself made the decision to shutdown anyway because it didn't think that it having exemptions was the right look.

I think the Government is waiting on modelling that is supposed to come out later this week. Where have we heard that before? I heard Prof Paul Kelly refer to modelling in a Press Conference a short time ago. Apparently the modelling will be presented to the National Cabinet this week and hopefully a few timelines will be drawn. Hopefully Cabinet gets the modelling and Morrison and Hunt will then decide that late June is a goer for footy. If that happens Gillion makes the announcement on April 27th and away we go.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Taiwan's twitter page has plenty of good propaganda on it, and sticking it up the WHO and China

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Here are a couple of good examples.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Chairman Moi has had a bit to say today...



Port Adelaide chairman David Koch is cautiously optimistic the AFL premiership season will emerge from the coronavirus shutdown in July.

Koch has been buoyed by recent developments in the fight against the spread of COVID-19, with further progress to allow the resumption of games without fans or in quarantine hubs.

"If we're vigilant, and we keep making the progress that we are now, (playing by) the end of July is a possibility but if there's a chink in the armour and it flares up again it puts it back," Koch told SEN on Tuesday.

Late July is the plan that has obviously been thought about the last couple of weeks given the hard flattening of the curve. Koch would be talking to 7 executives re their discussions with AFL.

Caro on Footy Classified reckons 7 are doing plans for a 2 week replace the Olympics a game a day - at night time and double and triple headers on the weekend.

 

[Chewy316]

I guess you have to prepare for the worst don't we though? Winter will see an increase in other winter ailments too. I have no idea when they will ease restrictions, but surely there is no point getting to this point and then loosen the strings.

I have spent more time riding bikes with my kids whilst the world has slowed a little it's made me feel like it was when I was a kid again, not a bad thing to have more time keeping it all simpler..

At some point or another they need to begin to reduce the restrictions. This is undeniable. I'm not at all saying it needs to.happen tomorrow, nor every restriction needs to be lifted at once. But there needs to be a systematic reduction over a period of time. If it spikes to an untenable level, you very quickly can lock areas of the country down just as what has happened over this past month. But keeping the entire country in a lock down with no sense of how we are going to get out, when the rate of infection is so low and the burden to date on the medical system is relatively low, is absurd.

There needs to be a frank discussion on how to get back to what will be a new normal. The current restrictions are untenable over a long period of time. It will take time to restore things, and any approach will have to be cautious and measured. But we cannot be oblivious to the fact that it needs to happen and given the success at which the restrictions have been at reducing the rate of new infections, such a discussion needs to happen much sooner than anyone could have originally thought.

Keep the most vulnerable at home, but those who are not at risk should not be mandated for the next 6+ months to stay home when there is no rational justification for doing so considering all the circumstances.

 

[portly]

You’d have to be an absolute wood duck to not spot this when applying for a job.

Quack

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

New testing clinics at Parkside, Reynella and Ingle Farm for anyone who shows indication of the virus as testing has fallen and there is capacity to test more people.

 

[Forzaport]

SA Health Update after Easter - 11 people in hospital, 4 in ICU.

 

[NEGAN]

Which what the WHO said originally.

"The WHO last week claimed China's wet markets could be made to sell safe food with increased hygiene practices and refused to support their closure as they are an important source of food and income."

Australia pressures WHO after it backed reopening China's wet markets

Prime Minister Scott Morrison demanded transparency in understanding the origin of the disease and protection from the global threat of China's notorious open marketplaces.

www.google.com

So basically the WHO are making the NEGAN and Strapping Tape argument.

WHO are corrupt as shit me and strappingtape said this 2 weeks ago...

But yes if wet markets cleaned up their act and acted/ processed in a more humane way we have no leg to stand on in our argument to shut it down

 

[dirty2]

2 people at one of the treasury wineries got positive results for covid (apparently)

 

[Burningleviathan]

We'll see how well we went/ what the community transmission rates are like in the next two weeks or so.
If we have managed to contain it over Easter with more than a few people out and about, then I think you could say we can start loosening the reigns a little bit.