Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So what you're saying is it didn't work anywhere because it requires such a perfect level of execution that it's effectively impossible to achieve.

Its not that simple as each countries has its own level of execution

Id be looking to Asia Pacific countries for our comparison myself. I think Singapore, Korea, Japan, Taiwain, Thailand and so forth are ones to compare who all did better. They better us in almost every single number possible while having less restrictions and less govt upkeep spending too.

 

[No SPIN]

Qld woman, 82, dies after vaccination

An elderly woman with pre-existing medical conditions has died hours after receiving her COVID-19 vaccine in a Queensland...

www.canberratimes.com.au

The article doesn’t say she died because of the Vaccine, nor that her death was due to COVID ( remember the narrative is that jabs cause increased deaths from COVID.)
how about you offer a link to all those 82 year olds that are doing fine.
You are falling for a false narrative, that most of us aren’t buying.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Wrong, stop bullshitting.


Acting Premier James Merlino said the "circuit-breaker restrictions" were in response to the speed of the virus, which was outrunning contact tracing efforts.
"Our contact tracers are identifying and locking down first ring, second ring, and third ring contacts within 24 hours. That's faster than ever," he said.

"And yet this variant is still moving faster."


you have lost control of the situation in regards to bullshit hotspot locations, all the infections are related so that is not out of control, this lockdown is to allow your inexperienced contact tracers to get a hold of the locations, nothing more nothing less.

 

[faible]

Its not that simple as each countries has its own level of execution

Id be looking to Asia Pacific countries for our comparison myself. I think Singapore, Korea, Japan, Taiwain, Thailand and so forth are ones to compare who all did better. They better us in almost every single number possible while having less restrictions and less govt upkeep spending too.

I'm not sure this is accurate.

Taiwan had a level of government surveillance on it's citizens well beyond what people in Australia would accept, and is in the midst of a surge in case numbers.

Singapore has had a few recurrences, but also has a population with a level of compliance far beyond Australia, Japan and Thailand are both about 20k new cases in the last week, S Korea has seemingly kept a lid on it getting worse, but adds 500 or so new cases a day.

 

[burge13]

"Our contact tracers are identifying and locking down first ring, second ring, and third ring contacts within 24 hours. That's faster than ever," he said.

"And yet this variant is still moving faster."

The cult love this. Triple teenage mutant ninja turtle variant

It's the variants. No one is actually sick but the variants. Be afraid! Lockdowns. Flatten the curve!

 

[Tiger Toffee]

I know quite a few people that 'failed' the temperature test. One was a worker on a building site, was not allowed back there until he's had a negative test. He wasn't sick at all. The other was a kid who'd waited months for an appointment with a specialist. Turned away because of a dodgy reading on a thermometer, had to have a test and re-book for another time. He wasn't sick either. This whole thing is an absolute joke. Wake up sheep before you drag us all down!

I was sick just before christmas last year, went to the dentist and passed their temp test. I told them two weeks later that the temp test was dodgy and i explained that i passed it while sick, didn't have the heart to tell them it was theirs that i passed so i told them it was at a chemist.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I'm not sure this is accurate.

Taiwan had a level of government surveillance on it's citizens well beyond what people in Australia would accept, and is in the midst of a surge in case numbers.

Singapore has had a few recurrences, but also has a population with a level of compliance far beyond Australia, Japan and Thailand are both about 20k new cases in the last week, S Korea has seemingly kept a lid on it getting worse, but adds 500 or so new cases a day.

So what though? Is that your only measurement of this?

If so can you please come to Western Australia and help throw those with severe mental health breakdowns into jail because our hospital system is collapsing at the seams?

 

[MrKK]

Sounds good in theory. The UK tried it. Didn't work. Sweden tried it. Didn't work. India tried it. Didn't work. Brazil tried it. Didn't work.

Next?

Define "didn't work"? And any correlation that suggests lockdowns were better than not e.g. comparing US states with varying policies.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

So who do we think is next for a lockdown due to slow vaccine uptake, QLD or WA.

 

[Yahru MkElvin]

This thread is full of anti-science morons

 

[MrKK]

please tell me who is pulling asymptomatic people out of their homes and forcing them to get tested?
People are making their own choice to get tested.

Huh? Thousands of people are getting contacted and told to get tested.

 

[faible]

So what though? Is that your only measurement of this?

If so can you please come to Western Australia and help throw those with severe mental health breakdowns into jail because our hospital system is collapsing at the seams?

You keep trying to shoehorn the WA health system in to every discussion, as though it's somehow relevant?

 

[Steele13]

Really, if its got to this point and you still believe in lockdowns, the only possible conclusion is you're an idiot. Not necessarily a bad person, but an idiot nonetheless.

 

[faible]

Define "didn't work"? And any correlation that suggests lockdowns were better than not e.g. comparing US states with varying policies.

Didn't work, in that every one of them abandoned their original plan, because well, it wasn't working.

Almost like the existing plans weren't suitable.

Funny how many of the most successful countries at manging this pandemic had SARS experience, and so had pandemic plans better suited to something like this, and not based around influenza.

 

[faible]

the only possible conclusion is you're an idiot.

I love how people come wading in swinging their dicks around with insults, whilst not being able to offer anything with even a semblance of credibility to the discussion.

Almost like an idiot...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You keep trying to shoehorn the WA health system in to every discussion, as though it's somehow relevant?

Its more relevant then Brazil which you guys shoehorn into every disussion

 

[Steele13]

I love how people come wading in swinging their dicks around with insults, whilst not being able to offer anything with even a semblance of credibility to the discussion.

Almost like an idiot...

Ok, you seem to think lockdowns work? Even if they do (which it can never be proven anyway), why do we have to keep doing them regularly? And if you're still supporting lockdowns, whilst ignoring the myriad of other problems they cause, how can I come to any other conclusion? Without wanting to generalise, is there any social problem that those more left leaning people care about, that lockdowns don't make worse? Maybe the environment, but i'd argue sea creatures choking on face masks for the next decade might disagree.

 

[No SPIN]

Huh? Thousands of people are getting contacted and told to get tested.

Are you going to get tested if notified?
I doubted it - which is my point.

 

[faible]

Its more relevant then Brazil which you guys shoehorn into every disussion

Brazil is far more relevant to a discussion of government response to coronavirus than the lack of healh spending in WA over the past decade.

 

[faible]

Ok, you seem to think lockdowns work?

They very clearly do. They're a blunt object but they work.

why do we have to keep doing them regularly?

Because the government is incompetent?

 

[No SPIN]

Really, if its got to this point and you still believe in lockdowns, the only possible conclusion is you're an idiot. Not necessarily a bad person, but an idiot nonetheless.

it’s not the lockdowns that are at issue here, but rather whether the disease is severe enough to warrant same.
We would all have no problem with lockdowns nor would we say they don’t work, if the COVID mortality rate was 10%.

 

[MrKK]

Didn't work, in that every one of them abandoned their original plan, because well, it wasn't working.

Almost like the existing plans weren't suitable.

By what measures weren't they working? People were dying with Covid? Well no shit, it's a pandemic. So they went and followed everyone else's lockdown idea, which resulted in...people dying with Covid. Genius!

And as a bonus you've now got all of the harms of lockdowns to deal with, plus you're on the path to a Zero Covid strategy that will be forever unachievable.

Funny how many of the most successful countries at manging this pandemic had SARS experience, and so had pandemic plans better suited to something like this, and not based around influenza.

More likely they had cross-immunity from SARS so were going to be less hit whatever they did. And if influenza-based plans weren't appropriate why are Covid plans being praised for massive flu reductions? It's almost like they spread in the same way...

 

[Yahru MkElvin]

 

[MrKK]

Are you going to get tested if notified?
I doubted it - which is my point.

The vast majority who are told to get tested will go and get tested. Do you dispute that?

 

[faible]

By what measures weren't they working? People were dying with Covid? Well no sh*t, it's a pandemic. So they went and followed everyone else's lockdown idea, which resulted in...people dying with Covid. Genius!

And as a bonus you've now got all of the harms of lockdowns to deal with, plus you're on the path to a Zero Covid strategy that will be forever unachievable.

Well, because hospital systems were getting smashed and people are dying from all kinds of causes and the public in the UK was clearly not going to cop it. So the UK government realised their plan wasn't suitable.

More likely they had cross-immunity from SARS so were going to be less hit whatever they did.

Highly disingenuous, very few people actually had SARS.

And if influenza-based plans weren't appropriate why are Covid plans being praised for massive flu reductions?

Because the flu spreads less easily than this, so the flu being almost nonexistent should show you just how effective they are. It's not complex.