Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #5: We're in this together!

About Covid vaccines: Opinion on mandates? Your personal situation?

  • I support vaccine mandates for all jobs

    Votes: 24 26.1%

  • I support vaccine mandates for health & aged care jobs

    Votes: 9 9.8%

  • I don't care either way, it's up to each company

    Votes: 4 4.3%

  • Vaccine mandates are immoral and/or unjustifiable

    Votes: 46 50.0%

  • My employer has mandated the vaccine - I got it to keep my job

    Votes: 13 14.1%

  • My employer has mandated the vaccine - I decided to quit my job

    Votes: 8 8.7%

  • My employer has left the decision to get the vaccine optional

    Votes: 8 8.7%

  • I'm not sure where my employer stands on this issue

    Votes: 14 15.2%
  • Total voters
    92

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Fwoy said:
did the kid lag? Or the mum maybe?
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She was being watched. She faked injecting the vaccine and falsified the medical records. The first by stating the vaccine was administered, then by putting another nurse's name down as being responsible for it.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Higher based on what proof? Why not have 50 vaxxed, 50 not vaxxed and see if your belief comes true?

You cant trust the data when you refuse to collect it....
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The data has been collected. BlueE posted the data himself that showed a reduction in ANY transmission for the first 20 odd weeks post vaccination, and a reduction of around 95 percent in fatal, severe or critical COVID over that same time period.

Meaning that with one infected person in a crowd of unvaccinated, there will be a lot more infections in that instance than there would be with an infected person in a crowd of vaccinated people, over the first 20 weeks from vaccination.

Thats data posted by (and accepted by) even BlueE

Even a 30 percent reduction in transmission in this example is 300 or so fewer cases. And of those that DO get it, they're 95 percent less likely to die, or wind up in hospital as a consequence - both due to the vaccine.
 

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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Mofra

You can answer the question now. Vaccines have been approve for under 12s - https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...2/news-story/a6d44efc230e6b86ceb1ef58a06779e4

What will cause more deaths to someone under 12? The virus or the Moderna vaccine?
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Tagging me to predict the future?
I'm glad my opinion means so much to you.

I'll say the virus, but you'll just invent 'facts' to fit your narrative regardless of what happens so my answer doesn't really matter anyway.
 
Mofra said:
Tagging me to predict the future?
I'm glad my opinion means so much to you.

I'll say the virus, but you'll just invent 'facts' to fit your narrative regardless of what happens so my answer doesn't really matter anyway.
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The answer is you dont know....

www.nytimes.com

At the F.D.A.’s urging, Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna are expanding their trials for children 5 to 11. (Published 2021)

It was unclear whether expanding the studies will have any impact on the timing of when vaccines could be authorized for children on an emergency basis.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Not even they know

Trust the science? I ask, show me the science. You all say the decison was made on it? Should be very easy to find
 
No SPIN said:
From your post #8159.
"If you think it'll stop at COVID you are dreamin'. Once these cretins get a taste..."

This is what I was questioning - what exactly is the agenda that would see Govt. "not stop at COVID".
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Over the decades we have seen a reluctance(negligence?) from govt when it comes to spending on healthcare infrastructure and resources. We've also seen a big shift towards the privatisation of health, social and essential services(amongst other things). In theory, govt is there to serve the people but in reality, it merely serves itself and is run like a business.

It could be argued that as time goes by(way before COVID), the nature of our governance becomes less and less egalitarian in nature and more and more authoritarian by the day. Right now govt has given itself more power over its citizenry than ever before. With respect to COVID, the majority of people - mostly by their acquiescence - have given this escalation in power the green light.

If it does come to a point where they deny people who have chosen to remain unvaccinated *healthcare treatment, it sets a very strong precedent and effectively enables govt to implement further conditions on what constitutes access to healthcare in the future. If we allow them to mandate lifestyle and health choices, then I contend that there are many, many bad lifestyle and health choices that people make daily and regularly and with impunity(legal choices).

Now you could argue that these discretionary powers will only be used for COVID but again and as I said in the post that you quoted, history shows that govt doesn't tend to repeal powers that limit personal autonomy and enable greater control over the citizenry in a hurry, if ever. Sure, COVID may become a thing of the past but the fact is, those powers will remain.


*at the moment it's a hypothetical because it's not happening here in AU as we speak, but it is happening overseas. It will depend on how things go when we open up but you can bet that if it does happen here, many will be more than ok with it.
 
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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
The answer is you dont know
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Correct, I can't predict the future. A stunning admission.

I'm not sure why you're quoting a MSM article considering most here will blacklist you for it.

TGA website is here is you want to find another source of information to ignore:

Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA)

Australian Government Department of Health
www.tga.gov.au www.tga.gov.au

And the safety report from the most recent completed week:
www.tga.gov.au

COVID-19 vaccine weekly safety report - 04-11-2021

Information about the TGA's safety monitoring of COVID-19 vaccines.
www.tga.gov.au www.tga.gov.au
 

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Mofra said:
Correct, I can't predict the future. A stunning admission.

I'm not sure why you're quoting a MSM article considering most here will blacklist you for it.

TGA website is here is you want to find another source of information to ignore:

Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA)

Australian Government Department of Health
www.tga.gov.au www.tga.gov.au

And the safety report from the most recent completed week:
www.tga.gov.au

COVID-19 vaccine weekly safety report - 04-11-2021

Information about the TGA's safety monitoring of COVID-19 vaccines.
www.tga.gov.au www.tga.gov.au
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So not knowing means its okay and works?

You are saying it works based on evidence, so show it to me. Nothing you linked me too shows Moderna reduces Covid risk with acceptable side effects in those links for a 7 year old
 
Mofra said:
Tagging me to predict the future?
I'm glad my opinion means so much to you.

I'll say the virus, but you'll just invent 'facts' to fit your narrative regardless of what happens so my answer doesn't really matter anyway.
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But you've said it safe 100s of times
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
So not knowing means its okay and works?

You are saying it works based on evidence, so show it to me. Nothing you linked me too shows Moderna reduces Covid risk with acceptable side effects in those links for a 7 year old
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The benefit for exposing the children to added risk is to limit community transfer resulting in an older person contracting and dying of covid.

That's what is being bought for with the risk to children being applied.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
What will cause more deaths to someone under 12? The virus or the Moderna vaccine?
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CDC data shows that children under 12 years old made up less than 1 percent (0.04%) of all COVID deaths in the USA since January 2020.

Roughly 280 deaths to date in the USA.

Data shows more children are getting sick and dying from Covid (nbcnews.com)

There are 45 million children under 12 in the USA (out of a population of 330 million). Meaning 1 in every 7 US citizen is a child aged 12 and under.

• Number of children in the U.S. by age 2019 | Statista

Assuming an even spread of infection (the USA sits at roughly 46 million total infections) across all ages, that roughly equates to roughly 6.5 million Children under 12 in the USA that have been infected (1/7 of 46 million infections).

So (roughly) 280 deaths from COVID for Children aged under 12, from 6.5 million infections.

Pretty small number, so far so good.

Assuming a 100 percent infection rate (and we're going to get there) that equates to COVID killing (USA alone) 'only' around 2,000 children from a total population of 45 million.

With a roughly 90 percent protection against death, Moderna would save roughly 1,500 children from dying in the USA (the 280 already dead don't get to benefit from the vaccine, as they're already dead).

Do you have any (peer reviewed and reliable) evidence now as to how many children will die from Blood Clots from Moderna, assuming a 45 million injections given?

Lets compare that figure to 1,500 lives saved.
 
exit said:
Did you tell the nurse you're getting it remorsefully? Maybe she's fake jabbing the hesitant.
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Actually i did, when the consent question came i said " yes but really no if you know what i mean " and then the theratrics started as the head nurse was summoned and then when i said " half the state said no but the government forced them to say yes so jab my arm before i change my mind " with that it was over within literally 5 seconds, which is why i mentioned how damn quick it was.
 
It does blow my mind how many people are ok with all of this vax mandating and passport bs. Looking at some of the threads on the AFL main board(mistake), wowwee, we really are in the poo aren't we, although I don't think that the posters who inhabit this website are necessarily a reflection of society as a whole, but then again.. . seems that there is no inclination(or wherewithal) to look more than 5 minutes down the track.

And a nod to the AFLW and AFL player/s who are sticking to their guns and going against the flow. In the high profile roles that they're in and with the media and public scrutiny(and shaming and mocking etc) they're subjected to, that takes some serious gumption. Well done to them. HUGE respek 👏
 
Taylor said:
The benefit for exposing the children to added risk is to limit community transfer resulting in an older person contracting and dying of covid.

That's what is being bought for with the risk to children being applied.
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It's not just that. While rare, kids do still die from COVID. There have been around 280 deaths in the USA (from its total of 750,000 odd deaths) from under 12's.
 
Malifice said:
CDC data shows that children under 12 years old made up less than 1 percent (0.04%) of all COVID deaths in the USA since January 2020.

Roughly 280 deaths to date in the USA.

Data shows more children are getting sick and dying from Covid (nbcnews.com)

There are 45 million children under 12 in the USA (out of a population of 330 million). Meaning 1 in every 7 US citizen is a child aged 12 and under.

• Number of children in the U.S. by age 2019 | Statista

Assuming an even spread of infection (the USA sits at roughly 46 million total infections) across all ages, that roughly equates to roughly 6.5 million Children under 12 in the USA that have been infected (1/7 of 46 million infections).

So (roughly) 280 deaths from COVID for Children aged under 12, from 6.5 million infections.

Pretty small number, so far so good.

Assuming a 100 percent infection rate (and we're going to get there) that equates to COVID killing (USA alone) 'only' around 2,000 children from a total population of 45 million.

With a roughly 90 percent protection against death, Moderna would save roughly 1,500 children from dying in the USA (the 280 already dead don't get to benefit from the vaccine, as they're already dead).

Do you have any (peer reviewed and reliable) evidence now as to how many children will die from Blood Clots from Moderna, assuming a 45 million injections given?

Lets compare that figure to 1,500 lives saved.
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That is a guess, not peer reviewed research

Any reason I have to prove it myself as 1 individual in Australia as opposed to Moderna proving it doesnt and actually works?

I want to see your peer reviewed research and not a random guess based on thin air
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
So not knowing means its okay and works?

You are saying it works based on evidence, so show it to me. Nothing you linked me too shows Moderna reduces Covid risk with acceptable side effects in those links for a 7 year old
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I can tell you some kids will get very sick and need to be hospitalised some with long term effects with out a vaccine
 
Malifice said:
CDC data shows that children under 12 years old made up less than 1 percent (0.04%) of all COVID deaths in the USA since January 2020.

Roughly 280 deaths to date in the USA.

Data shows more children are getting sick and dying from Covid (nbcnews.com)

There are 45 million children under 12 in the USA (out of a population of 330 million). Meaning 1 in every 7 US citizen is a child aged 12 and under.

• Number of children in the U.S. by age 2019 | Statista

Assuming an even spread of infection (the USA sits at roughly 46 million total infections) across all ages, that roughly equates to roughly 6.5 million Children under 12 in the USA that have been infected (1/7 of 46 million infections).

So (roughly) 280 deaths from COVID for Children aged under 12, from 6.5 million infections.

Pretty small number, so far so good.

Assuming a 100 percent infection rate (and we're going to get there) that equates to COVID killing (USA alone) 'only' around 2,000 children from a total population of 45 million.

With a roughly 90 percent protection against death, Moderna would save roughly 1,500 children from dying in the USA (the 280 already dead don't get to benefit from the vaccine, as they're already dead).

Do you have any (peer reviewed and reliable) evidence now as to how many children will die from Blood Clots from Moderna, assuming a 45 million injections given?

Lets compare that figure to 1,500 lives saved.
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I'd say a huge percentage of those 280 children who have died due to Covid have had a comorbidity/multiple comorbidities.... by all means vulnerable children (and people in general) should get vaccinated if their parents agree but those in a healthy weight range with no underlying issues who are at almost zero (well under the current 0.04% anyway) risk of a bad health outcome in no way need it.
 
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