News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV

[Shinboner1]

They had 21.3% of patients hospitalised due to Delta die... that is kinda crazy. I think it was under 1% here for Delta. I am wondering how early some nations hospitalise patients, how early they treat them.

gotta be health standards and other things too.
Aussie hospitals are pretty well funded compared to the rest of the world and we never really got past the point of not being able to treat everyone that came through the doors either.

 

[gokangas]

You need to go on Ch Severn News and explain this because the nasal insertion is putting a lot of people off

Nasal bud is smaller than most people's fingers so not sure what the issue is.

 

[Tas]

gotta be health standards and other things too.
Aussie hospitals are pretty well funded compared to the rest of the world and we never really got past the point of not being able to treat everyone that came through the doors either.

This was an issue in the USA, they treated people much later, particularly early on, and some states got overwhelmed. They have a much higher ratio of ICU per 100k residents, much higher than us, but access is a lot more of a problem. Even though uninsured people were able to get covid treatment, places with higher rates of uninsured people there had a much higher chance of getting covid and dying.

When looking at places like Africa, you also have to take into consideration what other medication they are taking, because they take a whole bunch of other medication for various diseases and viruses that exist there.

It is old data... but back in Beta.



They weren't taking ivermectin for covid, they regularly take it in those countries for other parasites/viruses. That graph doesn't highlight what else they were taking.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

They had 21.3% of patients hospitalised due to Delta die... that is kinda crazy. I think it was under 1% here for Delta. I am wondering how early some nations hospitalise patients, how early they treat them.

Quite likely the impact of Aids and the immunocompromised a significant factor here.

 

[Tas]

Quite likely the impact of Aids and the immunocompromised a significant factor here.

Yeah, high rates of immunocompromised would be a significant factor.

 

[blackshadow]

now theres an oxymoron if i have ever heard one.

Just a plain moron

 

[blackshadow]

Just got the Pfizer booster in my arm.

Feeling virile!

 

[Shinboner1]

This was an issue in the USA, they treated people much later, particularly early on, and some states got overwhelmed. They have a much higher ratio of ICU per 100k residents, much higher than us, but access is a lot more of a problem. Even though uninsured people were able to get covid treatment, places with higher rates of uninsured people there had a much higher chance of getting covid and dying.

When looking at places like Africa, you also have to take into consideration what other medication they are taking, because they take a whole bunch of other medication for various diseases and viruses that exist there.

It is old data... but back in Beta.

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They weren't taking ivermectin for covid, they regularly take it in those countries for other parasites/viruses. That graph doesn't highlight what else they were taking.

Not sure why govts were so against ivermectin early on but it does seem to work well.

 

[koshari]

Not sure why govts were so against ivermectin early on but it does seem to work well.

my cattle swear by it,

:sternlook

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Never used a RAT

Are you expected to stick the swab up your own nostril/s?

Hope you get well soon

Nup, just in your mouth for two minutes to get the saliva. Pretty easy and straightforward.

There must be different types. The ones we were given at work you have to put up your nose yourself. It's not pleasant haha.

still hanging in there AEC?

Just about mate. Thanks.

 

[Tas]

Not sure why govts were so against ivermectin early on but it does seem to work well.

It has also been used before covid to treat some cancers. There was enough to suggest a more in-depth analysis might have been useful.

 

[Reagan Smash]

Only handful of Omicron cases are in ICU around Australia — Daily Mail Australia

Just 0.1 per cent of cases of the variant in NSW are in the ICU, and just 0.3 per cent of Victorians, where patients actually declined by two. Vast majority of patients are unvaccinated or have Delta.

apple.news

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Queensland branch of my family, four positive and two waiting for second negative to be cleared. Don’t know which strain, but it’s out there.

 

[Shinboner1]

Alfred's just opened up a couple more wards today.
Looks like we're in for a big one this weekend

 

[darko]

Lol rip
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You ok?

 

[7577969923]

Not sure why govts were so against ivermectin early on but it does seem to work well.

Governments weren't against it. There is no evidence that it actually works.

 

[koshari]

Governments weren't against it. There is no evidence that it actually works.

it does work and is FDA approved for use on humans but as an anti parasite treatment, people need to understand that parasites and virus are not one of the same, if they were why would i need to muck around with a 4 in 1 shot when i could just stick to a pour-on?
wonder if same people use gearlube in their sump?

 

[year of the roo]

New rules in regards to what "close contact" means announced by my workplace today (and I assume announced by government, I'm not watching or reading any more news for a while). I'm sure this is all just based on 'health advice' that workmates cannot be close contacts. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the enormous amount of people who are out of the workforce isolating right now, leaving a huge strain on those left.

 

[KiwiRoo]

Governments weren't against it. There is no evidence that it actually works.

Precisely.If it did work, Govts would be falling over themselves to use it. I know our govt would. This pandemic is costing them billions and their approval ratings are going down the toilet. So its no big conspiracy theory, there's just no evidence that it works (and its not like it hasnt been investigated)

 

[Val Keating]

Precisely.If it did work, Govts would be falling over themselves to use it. I know our govt would. This pandemic is costing them billions and their approval ratings are going down the toilet. So its no big conspiracy theory, there's just no evidence that it works (and its not like it hasnt been investigated)

Are they still using it in Japan?

 

[DaveyBoy123]

Over 21,000 new cases today for NSW. No, I haven't got the 2 & the 1 the wrong way around!

Just under 6,000 for Vic.

 

[gokangas]

Over 21,000 new cases today for NSW. No, I haven't got the 2 & the 1 the wrong way around!

Just under 6,000 for Vic.

Do they release testing numbers? Melb and Syd both had sites closed yesterday so wondering if the testing numbers were consistent. If they are down and the positives up then the numbers are very concerning.

 

[gokangas]

Yes. Both states total tests were at about their pre-christmas levels... Which are a bit up from the last 3 or 4 days.

I'm more concerned about the 13 deaths between the 2 states. If NSW deaths continue to rise and their new cases are predominantly Omicron, then what does that tell authorities (& will they tell us?).

Interesting re deaths. Fair question.

 

[Tas]

Are they still using it in Japan?

There is a lot of misinformation being spread about it, from both political sides, which is a shame because medicine, pandemics, science shouldn't be politicised.

Japan Continues to Use Vaccines, Not Ivermectin, to Fight COVID-19 - FactCheck.org

More than 70% of Japan's population has received the COVID-19 vaccines, and the government is moving ahead with a booster shot in December. But a conservative radio host in the U.S. falsely claimed, "Japan drops vax rollout, goes to Ivermectin." Japan hasn't stopped its vaccine program and...

www.factcheck.org

There isn't any recognised studies done that it works or doesn't work, WHO have said the evidence is inconclusive and that further trials should be performed, without having blind trials with a placebo you can't be sure what you are looking at.

There are some trials that have been undertaken or are in progress, we will probably get a better idea some point in the future, it is just a shame we didn't look into it a lot sooner.

It is interesting that the African countries that take it regularly for other reasons have much lower covid rates than those that do not, but all that should be read into that is to look into a possible prophylactic benefit, without a controlled study it is impossible to rule out some other thing in common could be at work.

 

[Tas]

Only handful of Omicron cases are in ICU around Australia — Daily Mail Australia

Just 0.1 per cent of cases of the variant in NSW are in the ICU, and just 0.3 per cent of Victorians, where patients actually declined by two. Vast majority of patients are unvaccinated or have Delta.

apple.news

Hmmm, i thought NSW stopped doing genomic tests on their covid patients a while ago, so how would they know what proportion of patients had Delta or Omicron?