News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV

[DesertRoo]

Doug Corrigan is a literal quack who sells courses in essential oils

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Lol, at this point I’d trust a quack rather then the ex head of the ama, who was busy keeping up with the safe and effective propaganda, promoting the vaccine for kids, whilst sitting at home with her wife, both vaccine injured. One with neurological the other heart issues.
the guy is just quoting from a study, without comment, pretty pointless attacking him, it’s not like there was another study running concurrently, which came to the same conclusion. You are 2x / 3x more likely to get infected with COVID than someone who's unvaccinated with natural immunity.

URGENT: Two new studies show mRNA-jabbed people have a much higher risk of getting Covid than unvaccinated people

Vaccine-driven original antigenic sin: it's real and it's getting worse.

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[koshari]

Doug Corrigan is a literal quack who sells courses in essential oils

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but, but hes supporting the arguement!

Lol, at this point I’d trust a quack

hardly a new revelation.

 

[leighlee13]

I have only posted the start of this article but its some scary shit.

China Covid-19 outbreak is the ‘largest the world has ever seen’​

China’s top health authority has confirmed the country’s current outbreak is, by far, the largest the world has ever seen.

Chloe Whelan
December 24, 2022 - 2:49PM

China’s top health authority has confirmed that the country’s current outbreak is, by far, the largest the world has ever seen.
Near 37 million people in China were estimated to have been infected with Covid-19 on a single day this week, according to minutes from a meeting of the country’s National Health Commission, Bloomberg reported.

As many as 248 million people – nearly 18 per cent of China’s 1.4 billion-strong population – likely contracted the virus in the first 20 days of December, the health body estimated.

The figures dwarf the previous daily record of about four million and, if accurate, confirm China’s current outbreak is easily the worst ever seen – all while the official tally screams of a cover up.

Suspicions of a cover up

The 37 million daily cases estimated for Tuesday is drastically different to the mere 3049 infections that were officially reported, and is several times higher than the previous world record.

Global cases hit an all-time high of four million on January 19, 2022, as Omicron took the reins as the most prevalent variant.

The estimate is also miles higher than a recent estimate from London-based predictive health researcher Airfinity, which earlier this week guessed about one million people in China were being infected, and 5000 people were dying each day.

Chinese President Xi Jinping abruptly abandoned his controversial zero-Covid policy amid fierce anti-government protests, prompting the tsunami of cases while the official death toll remains suspiciously low.

Officially, China claimed on Wednesday there had been just eight Covid deaths since the beginning of December.

The relatives of several of the deceased told the publication the deaths were due to Covid. One woman said her elderly relative, who was suffering from cold symptoms, had tested negative but died after they could not get an ambulance in time.

But that number doesn’t include Solomon Islands ambassador John Moffat Fugui, who has died in China amid Beijing’s Covid wave, according to The Australian.

The statistics contrast a growing number of reports of overwhelmed hospitals and crematoriums pushed beyond their capacity. Horrifying footage has shown bodies “piling up” outside morgues and in hospital hallways as the medical system buckles.

On Thursday, AFP reported visiting a crematorium in China and witnessing 40 bodies being unloaded in two hours.

A woman in her 20s said she suspected her father had died of Covid, though he had not been tested.

“He died too quickly, while on the way to hospital,” she sobbed. “He had lung issues to begin with … He was only 69.”

One Shanghai hospital has told its staff to prepare for a “tragic battle” with COVID-19, as it expects half of the city’s 25 million people to be infected by the end of next week.

 

[DesertRoo]

 

[gokangas]

Interesting decision. If you take on face value the huge problems in China and the warning from health officials re increasing spread in Australia then it seems a surprising move. I think State and Fed Govs are trying to take the stigma associated with it out and just have everyone accept its just another virus. If the numbers (particularly deaths)n continue to increase there may be a change back to more easily available testing.

 

[Themanbun]

Interesting decision. If you take on face value the huge problems in China and the warning from health officials re increasing spread in Australia then it seems a surprising move. I think State and Fed Govs are trying to take the stigma associated with it out and just have everyone accept its just another virus. If the numbers (particularly deaths)n continue to increase there may be a change back to more easily available testing.

Frankly I think it's an idiotic decision.

 

[Lomas]

Frankly I think it's an idiotic decision.

It does appear to be a nothing to see here decision.

 

[DesertRoo]

Can’t book Moderna either

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[Twinkletoes]

Can’t book Moderna either

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Use the healthdirect Service Finder to locate your nearest health services in any part of Australia, such as GPs, hospitals, dentists, psychologists, hospitals, optical, pathology, pharmacies and a wide range of others.

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That’s what I had for my recent one (5th) and the GP said it was the only one they were now recommending.

 

[Outtatym]

Been feeling ordinary for a few days-finally tested positive this morning Christmas at home with the dog it is

 

[Ligma]

My HR seems to have gone back to normal now - it sat in the 70s now back down to 59/60 when resting in bed - but I’m pretty sure it might be the double serve Jim beam my dad brought instead of the normal one

 

[Tas]

China has only had 2 "official" deaths since opening up, doesn't sound like it is out of control. :stern look

 

[Heaps of fun]

China has only had 2 "official" deaths since opening up, doesn't sound like it is out of control. :stern look

They're going great guns.

 

[Hojuman]

China has only had 2 "official" deaths since opening up, doesn't sound like it is out of control. :stern look

Mrs.H.has a friend from work on the ground over there who wanted to visit her elderly parents after 3 years.

Chaotic she says.

 

[Tas]

Mrs.H.has a friend from work on the ground over there who wanted to visit her elderly parents after 3 years.

Chaotic she says.

I heard they were just losing control in the hospitals so just decided to say **** it and open up and blame the carnage on the white paper protestors for "forcing" them to open up. It is going to get ugly and they will be too prideful to ask the world for help.

 

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[DesertRoo]

paper submitted in aug ‘19 discussing origins of covid.

 

[Val Keating]

It’s weird watching people I follow on Twitter that were super covid conscious not long ago, now complaining that people coming in from China are getting treated unfairly.

Considering that there’s new variants not seen anywhere else in the world there and China isn’t sharing enough information with the WHO, you’d think those people would be the most concerned.

 

[Themanbun]

It’s weird watching people I follow on Twitter that were super covid conscious not long ago, now complaining that people coming in from China are getting treated unfairly.

Considering that there’s new variants not seen anywhere else in the world there and China isn’t sharing enough information with the WHO, you’d think those people would be the most concerned.

I am one of those people who is still covid conscious and I find letting it rip, not even having a mandatory isolated period, but singling out one specific country when that variant is also prevalent in other let it rip countries, such as the USA, to be completely unfair treatment. IMO they simply wouldn't be imposing that restriction if it were the exact same set of circumstances, but not China. Even the Chief Medical Officer has criticised it as without scientific basis.

I don't think it's logically inconsistent to say "I'm covid conscious and would prefer all round restrictions but to publicly advocate absolutely no restrictions, then impose some (albeit minor ones) on one particular country that we don't get along with is political, not scientific".

 

[Val Keating]

I am one of those people who is still covid conscious and I find letting it rip, not even having a mandatory isolated period, but singling out one specific country when that variant is also prevalent in other let it rip countries, such as the USA, to be completely unfair treatment. IMO they simply wouldn't be imposing that restriction if it were the exact same set of circumstances, but not China. Even the Chief Medical Officer has criticised it as without scientific basis.

I don't think it's logically inconsistent to say "I'm covid conscious and would prefer all round restrictions but to publicly advocate absolutely no restrictions, then impose some (albeit minor ones) on one particular country that we don't get along with is political, not scientific".

China isn’t sharing the information. Even the WHO has asked them to be more transparent because there’s new variants that we know nothing about.

 

[Themanbun]

China isn’t sharing the information. Even the WHO has asked them to be more transparent because there’s new variants that we know nothing about.

Yes, the WHO criticised them doing less testing. We recently required doctors referrals for a PCR test, lol. Plenty of countries, particularly those that lack capacity, provide similarly useless information. Same result - not enough testing and sparse information. India is a massive example of this, with no question about testing their residents before coming here.

The 6-7 countries that have imposed these new rules on their travellers all happen to have strained relationships with them.

Our own chief health adviser advised against these restrictions.

I'm cool with us requiring tests before travelling here, that's totally fine. Imposing it on just one country against advice and with little known benefit is, IMO, unfair, and I don't think it's fair to say I'm being illogical for thinking so.

 

[Val Keating]

Yes, the WHO criticised them doing less testing. We recently required doctors referrals for a PCR test, lol. Plenty of countries, particularly those that lack capacity, provide similarly useless information. Same result - not enough testing and sparse information. India is a massive example of this, with no question about testing their residents before coming here.

The 6-7 countries that have imposed these new rules on their travellers all happen to have strained relationships with them.

Our own chief health adviser advised against these restrictions.

I'm cool with us requiring tests before travelling here, that's totally fine. Imposing it on just one country against advice and with little known benefit is, IMO, unfair, and I don't think it's fair to say I'm being illogical for thinking so.

The obvious problem is that the CCP isn’t cooperating and hasnt since the beginning.

The other problem is they have a huge population vaxxed with poor quality vaccines and because they’ve managed to stay relatively covid free for 3 years they have no natural immunity either. It could be a disaster, but they can thank Xi for that.

 

[Tas]

The obvious problem is that the CCP isn’t cooperating and hasnt since the beginning.

The other problem is they have a huge population vaxxed with poor quality vaccines and because they’ve managed to stay relatively covid free for 3 years they have no natural immunity either. It could be a disaster, but they can thank Xi for that.

The issue for China is that their vulnerable population hasn't been exposed to covid like it has everywhere else, you can have a bajillion doses of the vaccine but if you have so many comorbidities that your immune system isn't going to fight it off then you are pretty much ****ed regardless. They have a very large population that is old with comorbidities and they do not have sufficient quantities of medicines that can help with the symptoms and because of the anarchy and lack of medicine people aren't getting medical intervention quick enough so it is complete bedlam there atm.

The problem is that lockdowns slow down spread to the point it makes it ideal for the virus to find ways around our defences and it produces variants which have evolved to get around defences. Because most of the population hasn't been exposed to any variant, it is pretty easy for the virus to linger for longer. If this new variant comes here via a passenger, it will run into a lot of natural immunity so like a bushfire that hits an area that has already been hit by fires previously there isn't enough vegetation for it to take hold. It might be shit for a small group of people but it will be harder for it to spread and our most vulnerable group have either passed away already or now have natural immunity.

Whilst it will be bad for us to be exposed to new variants that have figured how to get around our natural immunity, I still think giving anyone who has comorbidities an aggressive drug regime including the anti-inflammatory medication as quick as possible will save as many people as humanly possible.

I think lockdown was a useful mechanism to get everyone vulnerable vaccinated and to get the medication we need to combat it, but China didn't seem to get ready for post lockdowns. From what I heard, they lost control of this a long time ago and just chose to pull the plug and go balls deep without having the required medication to combat it because it was the most opportune time to do so as they could blame the protestors for the deaths.

Ironically, they have been decreasing their purchases of the drugs we have been using to combat covid in those with comorbidities. China is facing a looming problem of having an ageing population with their significant decline in birthrates, I wouldn't put it past them to have decided that it would be better for the country to allow this wildfire to burn through and kill all the dead wood and just leave China with a younger and healthy population base that they could reignite their economy without the significant yoke of caring for a large elderly population.

 

[Val Keating]

The issue for China is that their vulnerable population hasn't been exposed to covid like it has everywhere else, you can have a bajillion doses of the vaccine but if you have so many comorbidities that your immune system isn't going to fight it off then you are pretty much ****ed regardless. They have a very large population that is old with comorbidities and they do not have sufficient quantities of medicines that can help with the symptoms and because of the anarchy and lack of medicine people aren't getting medical intervention quick enough so it is complete bedlam there atm.

The problem is that lockdowns slow down spread to the point it makes it ideal for the virus to find ways around our defences and it produces variants which have evolved to get around defences. Because most of the population hasn't been exposed to any variant, it is pretty easy for the virus to linger for longer. If this new variant comes here via a passenger, it will run into a lot of natural immunity so like a bushfire that hits an area that has already been hit by fires previously there isn't enough vegetation for it to take hold. It might be s**t for a small group of people but it will be harder for it to spread and our most vulnerable group have either passed away already or now have natural immunity.

Whilst it will be bad for us to be exposed to new variants that have figured how to get around our natural immunity, I still think giving anyone who has comorbidities an aggressive drug regime including the anti-inflammatory medication as quick as possible will save as many people as humanly possible.

I think lockdown was a useful mechanism to get everyone vulnerable vaccinated and to get the medication we need to combat it, but China didn't seem to get ready for post lockdowns. From what I heard, they lost control of this a long time ago and just chose to pull the plug and go balls deep without having the required medication to combat it because it was the most opportune time to do so as they could blame the protestors for the deaths.

Ironically, they have been decreasing their purchases of the drugs we have been using to combat covid in those with comorbidities. China is facing a looming problem of having an ageing population with their significant decline in birthrates, I wouldn't put it past them to have decided that it would be better for the country to allow this wildfire to burn through and kill all the dead wood and just leave China with a younger and healthy population base that they could reignite their economy without the significant yoke of caring for a large elderly population.

That one child policy has really come back to bite them.

 

[Shinboner1]

That one child policy has really come back to bite them.