Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) 2020

[BrainOfMorbius]

I just can't see games proceeding with spectators. To do so would be completely irresponsible. I do hope we at least get games proceeding in empty stadia, but it seems inevitable that the season will be abbreviated, if not cancelled outright.

 

[jackess]

You don't seem to have any understanding of this virus at all .

That sort of thinking has put Italy where it is now and where the US is headed.

Lots of extremely fit 25 year old men dieing?

So we should do a China and lock people in their homes?

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I think it'll be a hiatus of a couple of months rather than a full on cancellation.

I'm two months we'll still be at the peak of the curve.

 

[martinson]

The risk of catching it will only get worse though. Plus it compromises the season. Might as well try and get a couple of months in

Crikey.

Any epidimeologist would be tearing their hair out with what you're saying.

You're going to change a lot of people's lives for the worse.

It's flat earth type thinking.

Strict containment is what works once the virus is in the community. Which it unequivocally is.

 

[Gadzorks]

an article yesterday on F1 says commercial contracts mean they can’t cancel unless the government makes the call. It’s changed but it could have been simple. It’ll be the same for everything else so government MAKE THE F’n CALL WILL YOU.

There are people I love that fall in the ‘might be buggered’ category and I want them protected.

Two of our daughters are icu nurses and their next six months is going to be horrendous. they need the curve flattened.

medical staff not having enough/choosing who gets ecmo and respirators is going to be soul destroying.

MAKE THE F’N CALL.

 

[jackess]

Crikey.

Any epidimeologist would be tearing their hair out with what you're saying.

You're going to change a lot of people's lives for the worse.

It's flat earth type thinking.

Strict containment is what works once the virus is in the community. Which it unequivocally is.

Shutting down all industries that involve regular human contact really isn't going to happen though.

 

[Section 5]

Reluctantly i make this comment on a forum. My opinion is possibly less than 1 % of Australians.
As i have stated before this world wide panic will in my opinion be worse than letting the virus run it's course.
Until their is a vaccine it will just keep popping up all over the world

Society regularly places to much value on life especially the elderly, of which i am getting close to this category.
This country was already going into a recession. The virus panic will just make it a deeper one. Also an out for the LNP.
The last recession was in 1990/91. So if you are under 30 you have never been affected.
If it turns into a deep recession the cost will be huge. A world wide recession i don't even want to contemplate

Other posters have made very valid points on why mass gatherings should not go ahead. Including quoting articles from around the world.

Lionraven gave a great post from someone who works in the medical field. The medical experts is what the Governments will be taking their advise from.
Lionraven in another good post gave us a "flatten the curve Illustration" which is self explanatory and logical.
However what say delaying the spread in fact pushes that curve to skyrocket in the flu season instead of say now till October.
No matter what happens the health system will be overwhelmed. A lot will be from people who panic and think they have something or want testing etc etc.

I have previously mentioned all government monies should have been thrown at the health system to help with the virus cases and panic to follow.

At time of writing this the Melbourne GP has be cancelled.
And so it has started. Will racing on the weekend also be cancelled, on logic it should be. Followed by NRL AFL and the list goes on & on & on & on.
At a micro level my mother in law advised their monthly seniors card game has been cancelled until further notice. The raise money for charities.
The follow on affect from this and business closures will be huge.

So in closing, in my opinion continuing down this course will be worse in the long term than letting the virus run it's course.
I would have a complete different view point if a vaccine was available in a month or three at the most.

 

[martinson]

Lots of extremely fit 25 year old men dieing?

So we should do a China and lock people in their homes?

If that's what it takes yes.

It's a world pandemic with a virus on which there is no vaccine or no known outcomes.

Don't bet on fit 25 year old men not dieing either but the bigger issue is that they're likely to infect someone who will. Medical facilities won't cope.

Stop shooting fro the hip and take a day or two to research and understand what other countries have/or are about to experience ,learn from that and stop worrying about whether you can see any footy or not.

That's unless you want to end up where Italy is now and where the US is headed over the next 2 months.

 

[jackess]

If that's what it takes yes.

It's a world pandemic with a virus on which there is no vaccine or no known outcomes.

Don't bet on fit 25 year old men not dieing either but the bigger issue is that they're likely to infect someone who will. Medical facilities won't cope.

Stop shooting fro the hip and take a day or two to research and understand what other countries have/or are about to experience ,learn from that and stop worrying about whether you can see any footy or not.

That's unless you want to end up where Italy is now and where the US is headed over the next 2 months.

For someone as well researched as yourself you're only comments seem to be 'Don't do an Italy'.

 

[martinson]

Reluctantly i make this comment on a forum. My opinion is possibly less than 1 % of Australians.
As i have stated before this world wide panic will in my opinion be worse than letting the virus run it's course.
Until their is a vaccine it will just keep popping up all over the world

Society regularly places to much value on life especially the elderly, of which i am getting close to this category.
This country was already going into a recession. The virus panic will just make it a deeper one. Also an out for the LNP.
The last recession was in 1990/91. So if you are under 30 you have never been affected.
If it turns into a deep recession the cost will be huge. A world wide recession i don't even want to contemplate

Other posters have made very valid points on why mass gatherings should not go ahead. Including quoting articles from around the world.

Lionraven gave a great post from someone who works in the medical field. The medical experts is what the Governments will be taking their advise from.
Lionraven in another good post gave us a "flatten the curve Illustration" which is self explanatory and logical.
However what say delaying the spread in fact pushes that curve to skyrocket in the flu season instead of say now till October.
No matter what happens the health system will be overwhelmed. A lot will be from people who panic and think they have something or want testing etc etc.

I have previously mentioned all government monies should have been thrown at the health system to help with the virus cases and panic to follow.

At time of writing this the Melbourne GP has be cancelled.
And so it has started. Will racing on the weekend also be cancelled, on logic it should be. Followed by NRL AFL and the list goes on & on & on & on.
At a micro level my mother in law advised their monthly seniors card game has been cancelled until further notice. The raise money for charities.
The follow on affect from this and business closures will be huge.

So in closing, in my opinion continuing down this course will be worse in the long term than letting the virus run it's course.
I would have a complete different view point if a vaccine was available in a month or three at the most.

There will be no vaccine for the foreseeable future

 

[martinson]

For someone as well researched as yourself you're only comments seem to be 'Don't do an Italy'.

No . You just refuse to listen or comprehend.

Any reputable expert in the field who tracks the exponential course of a highly contagious virus such as this will tell you the same thing.

You never believed it was that bad or could happen here ,well it is and it will.

You can almost take that to the bank now because we have no containment measures.

 

[Gadzorks]

I'm two months we'll still be at the peak of the curve.

The rate of infection drops significantly though (as long as you can’t get it a second time or it doesn’t change too quickly).

If 20% of people get infected in the first two months, and the rate if infection stays the same then only 20% of the people not already infected get it.

Eg in first Two months of 1000 people 20% =200 people get infected leaving 800 unaffected.

In the next two months 20% of the 800 get it =160 people

Percentages and timed are random, but show the trend. It simply means the more we slow it the better the health care.

 

[Jpw22511]

This shutdown the country talk is ridiculous just too save a few elderly lives .... What about all the casual workers who live paycheck to paycheck? How will they pay Thier rent? Feed the kids? Pay electricity bills or internet bills?

 

[jackess]

No . You just refuse to listen or comprehend.

Any reputable expert in the field who tracks the exponential course of a highly contagious virus such as this will tell you the same thing.

You never believed it was that bad or could happen here ,well it is and it will.

You can almost take that to the bank now because we have no containment measures.

Tell me what?

That all sport should be cancelled indefinitely?

 

[Gadzorks]

Reluctantly i make this comment on a forum. My opinion is possibly less than 1 % of Australians.
As i have stated before this world wide panic will in my opinion be worse than letting the virus run it's course.
Until their is a vaccine it will just keep popping up all over the world

Society regularly places to much value on life especially the elderly, of which i am getting close to this category.
This country was already going into a recession. The virus panic will just make it a deeper one. Also an out for the LNP.
The last recession was in 1990/91. So if you are under 30 you have never been affected.
If it turns into a deep recession the cost will be huge. A world wide recession i don't even want to contemplate

Other posters have made very valid points on why mass gatherings should not go ahead. Including quoting articles from around the world.

Lionraven gave a great post from someone who works in the medical field. The medical experts is what the Governments will be taking their advise from.
Lionraven in another good post gave us a "flatten the curve Illustration" which is self explanatory and logical.
However what say delaying the spread in fact pushes that curve to skyrocket in the flu season instead of say now till October.
No matter what happens the health system will be overwhelmed. A lot will be from people who panic and think they have something or want testing etc etc.

I have previously mentioned all government monies should have been thrown at the health system to help with the virus cases and panic to follow.

At time of writing this the Melbourne GP has be cancelled.
And so it has started. Will racing on the weekend also be cancelled, on logic it should be. Followed by NRL AFL and the list goes on & on & on & on.
At a micro level my mother in law advised their monthly seniors card game has been cancelled until further notice. The raise money for charities.
The follow on affect from this and business closures will be huge.

So in closing, in my opinion continuing down this course will be worse in the long term than letting the virus run it's course.
I would have a complete different view point if a vaccine was available in a month or three at the most.

I think you’ve summed up the government’s thinking perfectly. They are hoping (cause no one knows) that short and sharp is best and maybe economically that’s true.But Italy is doing short and sharp and their economy looks dead and buried.

short and sharp will wipe out the medical system and that affects way more than oldie with this virus. U60 productive people get sick/cancer/need surgery/visit doctors. When those medical systems fail under the weight of the virus load there will be an economic impact.

It’s a great big known unknown.

 

[Gadzorks]

This shutdown the country talk is ridiculous just too save a few elderly lives .... What about all the casual workers who live paycheck to paycheck? How will they pay Thier rent? Feed the kids? Pay electricity bills or internet bills?

Yep. But casual workers get sick too, and the people who buy their goods and services get sick and stay home as well. It’s awful anyway you look at it.

There was an article about making it seamless for casual workers to get government benefits. Not enough, but it’s the only safety net we have.

 

[martinson]

Tell me what?

That all sport should be cancelled indefinitely?

Obviously issues need to be treated on a case to case basis at this point in which case AFL should be cancelled because of the nature of the game and it only takes one person to be infected to deleteriously affect a lot of people and by the time that happens it'll be too late. You're likely to have AFL players now who are infected if you plot the level of known cases already in the community.

You seem to ask whether all sport should be cancelled indefinitely incredulously.

Which indicates to me you still aren't across what this virus may mean for the community and our lifestyle.

Even silly Andrews said he's going to be asking Victorians to do things they've never been asked before.

So yeah . Be prepared to become even more incredulous.

 

[martinson]

This shutdown the country talk is ridiculous just too save a few elderly lives .... What about all the casual workers who live paycheck to paycheck? How will they pay Thier rent? Feed the kids? Pay electricity bills or internet bills?

You're not saving a few elderly lives. You're saving businesses ,the economy ,all the casual workers you're talking about from a far worse fate.

Won't happen though.Our politicians don't have the stomach for what needs to happen. So just get ready for waves of the virus over the next whenever.

 

[jackess]

Obviously issues need to be treated on a case to case basis at this point in which case AFL should be cancelled because of the nature of the game and it only takes one person to be infected to deleteriously affect a lot of people and by the time that happens it'll be too late. You're likely to have AFL players now who are infected if you plot the level of known cases already in the community.

You seem to ask whether all sport should be cancelled indefinitely incredulously.

Which indicates to me you still aren't across what this virus may mean for the community and our lifestyle.

Even silly Andrews said he's going to be asking Victorians to do things they've never been asked before.

So yeah . Be prepared to become even more incredulous.

You seem to keep dodging the questions and making things personal so it comes across as point scoring and just trying to pump yourself up.

For someone so well researched you seem more focussed on pointing out people doing the wrong thing instead of putting forward what they should be doing and how you've been informed of this opinion

 

[martinson]

You seem to keep dodging the questions and making things personal so it comes across as point scoring and just trying to pump yourself up.

For someone so well researched you seem more focussed on pointing out people doing the wrong thing instead of putting forward what they should be doing and how you've been informed of this opinion

I don't think that's the case at all . You are the one who challenged me in perhaps a derogatory fashion, as you did a couple of weeks ago. Remember. When it really wasn't much of an issue.

I've made it perfectly clear a number of times what people should be doing and if you can't work out why or how that opinion's been formed after all that's been said and occurred then I'm sorry I can't help you any more

 

[Dylan12]

You're not saving a few elderly lives. You're saving businesses ,the economy ,all the casual workers you're talking about from a far worse fate.

Won't happen though.Our politicians don't have the stomach for what needs to happen. So just get ready for waves of the virus over the next whenever.

Surely the Federal Government will have to intervene or even enact legislation accordingly that will prevent financial institutions from defaulting people on mortgages, car / personal loans etc as a result of missing a payment or two. This should also extend to utility providers being unable to disconnect people's basic utility services if their electrical / gas bills are outstanding (particulalry if their offices close and people are unable to get them reconnected).

You'd even think that VCAT and the like will have to go easy on tenants that miss their rents etc.because I dare say this will have a massive impact on landlords wanting to issue notice to vacates and the like for tenants that haven't paid their rent after 14 days etc. Of course, there is the other side of the coin with landlords that will miss mortgage payments because their tenants aren't paying rent etc.

There are just so many implications that will need to be addressed because illness aside, many are going to be impacted for reasons Jpw22511 highlighted that are not illness related.

Interesting times...

And already I am hearing people complain that the F1 Grand Prix Corporation have made the wrong decision to cancel the Melbourne race...you know, because they bought tickets, travelled etc etc. and its unfair...like anyone could forsee this.

 

[martinson]

Surely the Federal Government will have to intervene or even enact legislation accordingly that will prevent financial institutions from defaulting people on mortgages, car / personal loans etc as a result of missing a payment or two. This should also extend to utility providers being unable to disconnect people's basic utility services if their electrical / gas bills are outstanding (particulalry if their offices close and people are unable to get them reconnected).

You'd even think that VCAT and the like will have to go easy on tenants that miss their rents etc.because I dare say this will have a massive impact on landlords wanting to issue notice to vacates and the like for tenants that haven't paid their rent after 14 days etc. Of course, there is the other side of the coin with landlords that will miss mortgage payments because their tenants aren't paying rent etc.

There are just so many implications that will need to be addressed because illness aside, many are going to be impacted for reasons Jpw22511 highlighted that are not illness related.

Interesting times...

And already I am hearing people complain that the F1 Grand Prix Corporation have made the wrong decision to cancel the Melbourne race...you know, because they bought tickets, travelled etc etc. and its unfair...like anyone could forsee this.

Correct . Governments need a plan to protect people who are going to fall on hard times because of the financial impact on their lives

 

[MSB ROYS]

There will be no vaccine for the foreseeable future

We need to ensure that a vaccine is safe and efficacious (e.g. recent Dengue vaccine issues in the Philippines). Safety is especially important when you are dosing healthy humans prophylactically to reduce or eliminate the disease. This is discussed in a recent vaccine development update for those interested:

Researchers rush to test coronavirus vaccine in people without knowing how well it works in animals

Researchers aren’t waiting to see how well an experimental #Covid19 #coronavirus vaccine prevents infection in animals before trying it in people, breaking from the usual protocol.

www.statnews.com

 

[briztoon]

I think they'll try and start the season but it's too early to cancel all sporting competitions for the next 6 months. Shutting out crowds for games and other events would be a no brainer.

Does it extend to amateur sport? Other industries?

Amateur sports are starting to cancel their events.

Little Athletics in Victoria announced they have cancelled their championships.

Oh, and Virgin Australia have just confirmed one of their cabin crew has Coronavirus, but they won’t announce publicly which flights she worked on before testing positive.

Oh, and the Prime Minister of Canada is in self isolation as he awaits the test result for his wife.

 

[Pacman82]

You're not saving a few elderly lives. You're saving businesses ,the economy ,all the casual workers you're talking about from a far worse fate.

Won't happen though.Our politicians don't have the stomach for what needs to happen. So just get ready for waves of the virus over the next whenever.

I agree, the government's too inept to prevent an outbreak. People infected won't adequately self isolate themselves leading busy lives & being inherently selfish. Hope I'm proven wrong..