Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. (Thread part 1 - cont in part 2, link in thread)

[Chief]

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

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[Brutalitops]

Yes yes, and I went to the moon yesterday. You see, we can all say anything.

How about you quote something I've actually said that demonstrates your assertion, because hey, I have no idea why a doomsdayer would be hopping international flights at a time like this. Sounds like a bunch of bullshit, but afterall, you are the one who claimed organ failure occurs with this virus because the organs worn out by being old

You're receiving groceries in medical grade PPE. I understand a 70 year olds lungs don't function as well as a 20 year olds. You're welcome to believe otherwise and organs don't age because they are made out immortal jellyfish (or similar organic tissue).

 

[kickazz]

I'm glad you're not my kids' maths teacher.

1.3 million people die in road accidents every year. So it's more dangerous to get on your car

And what numbers or estimates are you using in your calculations of projected COVID19 infections and deaths? You can't say "1.3 million is greater than x" without knowing what x is.

I'll agree it's early stages and the numbers are still predictions as opposed to the reliably measured historic data of road fatalities.

If we go with a conservative estimate of 1% death rate for COVID19, (most sources cite between 2 and 3) then for the overall death rate to be equal to that of road accidents (based on 2019 totals of about 1200) in Australia, them we are estimating that 120000, or HALF a PERCENT of Australians will get infected.

None of the estimated infection rates I've seen so far go close to being that low.

The maths is clear. The estimated numbers, not so clear. Hopefully all of our efforts result in the death and infection rates being much, much less. But right now, basic maths shows that car crashes and COVID19 to not be in the same ball park.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

As Australians are urged to stop shaking hands to reduce the coronavirus risk, authorities are now considering more extreme prevention measures, including a "last resort" of forcibly detaining patients.


Attorney-General Christian Porter says it is "very likely" never-before-used biosecurity laws will be invoked, after it was revealed Australia had recorded its first cases of human-to-human transmission of the COVID-19 coronavirus.
The nation's chief health officers will also meet today to consider additional "social distancing" restrictions.
Under biosecurity laws introduced in 2015, the Government has the power to forcibly detain and decontaminate people with the virus, and prevent people from attending mass gatherings.
Mr Porter said it was "very likely these laws will get used on a larger scale".

"It's very likely Australians will encounter practices and instructions and circumstances that they have not had to encounter before," he told RN Breakfast.

Government has power to forcibly detain and decontaminate people with coronavirus

As Australians are urged to stop shaking hands to reduce the coronavirus risk, authorities will consider more serious prevention measures, including a "last resort" of forcibly detaining patients.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Monkey King]

You're receiving groceries in medical grade PPE ...

I understand a 70 year olds lungs don't function as well as a 20 year olds. You're welcome to believe otherwise ...

Huh? You think I am receiving groceries in medical grade equipment? It doesn't take much for you to wander off in your own mind does it?

You can't strawman over your ignorance. It is glaring. You simply don't know what you don't know.

 

[Obeanie1]

Their healthcare system encourages citizens to avoid going to the doctor

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And the point of this is what?

Don 't worry if you get sick? Just go about your normal life and hope you have a normal cold.

 

[Demons09]

Some of the attitudes of posters in here you can see why this virus could take hold in this country.

 

[FRUMPY]

Some of the attitudes of posters in here you can see why this virus could take hold in this country.

And the dooms dayers are worse. Hilarious reading really.

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[Obeanie1]

And the dooms dayers are worse. Hilarious reading really.

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So if you show concern you are a dooms dayer?

If you stop and think how this thing will run it's course your a dooms dayer ?

Must be a hell of a lot of them working in government and the health care sector then.

 

[FRUMPY]

So if you show concern you are a dooms dayer?

If you stop and think how this thing will run it's course your a dooms dayer ?

Must be a hell of a lot of them working in government and the health care sector then.

Yes, majority of those overblowing this thing are definitely dooms dayers.

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[rumply]

On the evidence of 100,000 confirmed cases, if you're less than 75 years old, it largely manifests as a bad cold (or less). That's it. If I were elderly, or had pre-existing medical conditions I would not go to public events. It is very dangerous to the these people. If I am a healthy person under 75 the level of concern is justifiably quite low.

By way of comparison the standard seasonal flu has already killed many many more people this year (I understand the figure is 65,000); and we are not panicking and stopping society over this. Why arent we? Because for seasonal flu the lethality per infection is very low. Many more people are infected, but only 0.02% of people infected die. In the case of Coronavirus, if you are over 75, the lethality rate is around 8%- 14% per infection. That is very very dangerous. However, If you are healthy person under 75 (and excluding those with other pre-existing medical conditions) the lethality rate is more that 0.02% but less than 2%, and quite possibly lower.

My personal view is we should remain vigilent and 'on-watch' over the progress of the virus, but calm and avoid throwing the baby out with the bath water. We have a economy, jobs, and communities that need support in challenging times. We need to demonstrate some backbone.

totally agree....but lets also prepare for zombie apocalypse just in case

 

[kickazz]

It's interesting looking at the posts in this thread that use data and citation and those that just make assertions.

 

[Obeanie1]

On the evidence of 100,000 confirmed cases, if you're less than 75 years old, it largely manifests as a bad cold (or less). That's it. If I were elderly, or had pre-existing medical conditions I would not go to public events. It is very dangerous to the these people. If I am a healthy person under 75 the level of concern is justifiably quite low.

By way of comparison the standard seasonal flu has already killed many many more people this year (I understand the figure is 65,000); and we are not panicking and stopping society over this. Why arent we? Because for seasonal flu the lethality per infection is very low. Many more people are infected, but only 0.02% of people infected die. In the case of Coronavirus, if you are over 75, the lethality rate is around 8%- 14% per infection. That is very very dangerous. However, If you are healthy person under 75 (and excluding those with other pre-existing medical conditions) the lethality rate is more that 0.02% but less than 2%, and quite possibly lower.

My personal view is we should remain vigilent and 'on-watch' over the progress of the virus, but calm and avoid throwing the baby out with the bath water. We have a economy, jobs, and communities that need support in challenging times. We need to demonstrate some backbone.

By way of comparison is the flu wider spread than this new virus?

How many years / decades has the flu been around?

Maybe in 3 or 4 years we can compare them but this new Cov19 it's only been up and going for several months and unlike the flu there is no vacine yet.

 

[Godchin]

I'm amazed at the amount of adults who think that influenza and the common cold are the exact same thing.

 

[kickazz]

On the evidence of 100,000 confirmed cases, if you're less than 75 years old, it largely manifests as a bad cold (or less). That's it. If I were elderly, or had pre-existing medical conditions I would not go to public events. It is very dangerous to the these people. If I am a healthy person under 75 the level of concern is justifiably quite low.

By way of comparison the standard seasonal flu has already killed many many more people this year (I understand the figure is 65,000); and we are not panicking and stopping society over this. Why arent we? Because for seasonal flu the lethality per infection is very low. Many more people are infected, but only 0.02% of people infected die. In the case of Coronavirus, if you are over 75, the lethality rate is around 8%- 14% per infection. That is very very dangerous. However, If you are healthy person under 75 (and excluding those with other pre-existing medical conditions) the lethality rate is more that 0.02% but less than 2%, and quite possibly lower.

My personal view is we should remain vigilent and 'on-watch' over the progress of the virus, but calm and avoid throwing the baby out with the bath water. We have a economy, jobs, and communities that need support in challenging times. We need to demonstrate some backbone.

Good post.

My concern is for those, like me, who fall into the "manifests as a bad cold or less" category.

We may not even realise we have it, and pass it on to a healthy co worker, who passes it on to a stranger, who has a partner or close contact with cancer, immune deficiency, etc.

Your recommendation for elderly and pre existing condition folk to take precaution absolutely makes sense. But the rest of us may have more power to stop them getting it than they do.

Early days, it's a bit hard to say.

 

[kickazz]

Just don't shake anyone's hand, kiss anyone. I know that will be hard for most, but the show must go on.

Better still, don't pick your nose, bite fingernails or rub your eyes.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yes, majority of those overblowing this thing are definitely dooms dayers.

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Ok.

And the majority of people blowing this off as just a mild inconvenience lack the intelligence and or the maturity to assess risk.

 

[queensberryrules]

By way of comparison is the flu wider spread than this new virus?

How many years / decades has the flu been around?

Maybe in 3 or 4 years we can compare them but this new Cov19 it's only been up and going for several months and unlike the flu there is no vacine yet.

Some of the comparisons with flu are reassuring, however, it is early days, and the asymptomatic nature of corona could spell disaster for those at higher risk.

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[Wayne Dwop]

Their healthcare system encourages citizens to avoid going to the doctor......

The worst place to be....the waiting rooms are full of sick people spreading their collective germs around.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Not much can be done besides playing in a empty stadium or just cancelling it all together, the climate in Australia works in our favour as Covid-19 cannot live in temperatures 26-27c.

Issue is you can completely recover and then pass it on to someone else.

No issue in taking proper precautions if your child has the chicken pots do you send him/her to school no.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Not much can be done besides playing in a empty stadium or just cancelling it all together, the climate in Australia works in our favour as Covid-19 cannot live in temperatures 26-27c.

True, but the virus is not expected to peak in Australia until about August though.

 

[ford71]

Not much can be done besides playing in a empty stadium or just cancelling it all together, the climate in Australia works in our favour as Covid-19 cannot live in temperatures 26-27c.

Issue is you can completely recover and then pass it on to someone else.

No issue in taking proper precautions if your child has the chicken pots do you send him/her to school no.

chicken pox, mate

 

[My Tilly]

Gotta love the Chinese

 

[threesixpio]

That was the wrong file. Here:

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You get more and more excited about pragmatic long term financial savings brought about by dead boomers as you read down column C.

Admit it

 

[Monkey King]

Not much can be done besides playing in a empty stadium or just cancelling it all together, the climate in Australia works in our favour as Covid-19 cannot live in temperatures 26-27c.

Health authorities don't really know what to expect. MERS-CoV spread in the warm months of Saudi. This one has spread in warm climates like Singapore, but perhaps the warmth and humidity helped them contain it better than say Korea and Italy; then again, their government has also been mega strict.

One major concern is that it dies down over the northern summer and then returns the following winter. When the Spanish Flu first broke out it was rather mild compared to when it returned the following season and killed millions.

 

[Brutalitops]

You get more and more excited about pragmatic long term financial savings brought about by dead boomers as you read down column C.

Admit it

It is said that the Chinese use the same word for crisis that they use for opportunity