Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. (Thread part 1 - cont in part 2, link in thread)

[Chief]

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/pages/covid-stats-australia/

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[D-N-R]

Caucasians have x5 less ace2 expression or receptors the virus latches on to compared to east asian individuals. It can't accumulate on an individual to near the same extent. I have searched google and am yet to find a single confirmed caucasian case of covid 19. I'm wondering if google are censuring such results in fear of racism when reality is there are biological differences in ace2 expression between ethnicities. Would be nice to not have the facts hidden/censored so I could assess my own risk.

Do you have a link to that chart directly to the 1000 Genomes Project which it supposed to come from?
There is a couple from the UK being treated in Japan. They look Caucasian and have Covid19.
This study

Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the putative receptor of Wuhan 2019-nCov

A novel coronavirus (2019-nCov) was identified in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China in December of 2019. This new coronavirus has resulted in thousands of cases of lethal disease in China, with additional patients being identified in a rapidly growing number internationally. 2019-nCov was reported to...

www.biorxiv.org

Is possibly the source of this claim that Asians are more susceptible. This study had 8 individuals one of whom was an Asian male. One.
Here's a study that disputes the racial differences with the receptors.

Asians and Other Races Express Similar Levels of and Share the Same Genetic Polymorphisms of the SARS-CoV-2 Cell-Entry Receptor

The recurrent coronavirus outbreaks in China (SARS-CoV and its relative, SARS-CoV-2) raise the possibility that Asians are more susceptible to coronavirus. Here, we test this possibility with the lung expression of ACE2, which encodes the cell-entry receptor of both SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. We...

www.preprints.org

Maybe you can't find the info because someone fabricated a chart to provide a link to a study which has made a conclusion by comparing 8 individuals, with only one of them being Asian.

 

[Rimmer]

Media mischief.

The fatality rate is 0.7% where the normal flu fatality rate is 0.3% ... SARS was over 10% fatalities and MERS was 35%.
You generally gotta be over 60 to be at risk and most deaths are people over 80.
China is sending people back to work, their rational is lots more may get it but most will just be sick for a fortnight then carry on working.
This is not the Spanish Flu or even SARS, they even have vaccines already for it!
Might be a slight risk for people in a big crowd but the players should be fine.

 

[John Who]

Read this recently, apparently from a medical person who works in China:

1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasise enough - drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

Unfortunately, you can't always simplify the symptoms for a correct diagnosis. You can have a combination of infective agent at the throat, as well as some other infection around the sinus/lungs and then additional symptoms if you have pre-existing asthma/hayfever.
I think the key is to get a checkup if you're unsure, drink plenty of water, and good bed rest. Key symptoms of concern are high fevers and respiratory distress.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Media mischief.

The fatality rate is 0.7% where the normal flu fatality rate is 0.3% ... SARS was over 10% fatalities and MERS was 35%.
You generally gotta be over 60 to be at risk and most deaths are people over 80.
China is sending people back to work, their rational is lots more may get it but most will just be sick for a fortnight then carry on working.
This is not the Spanish Flu or even SARS, they even have vaccines already for it!
Might be a slight risk for people in a big crowd but the players should be fine.

0.7%?

In China it's 3.6%, worldwide including China it's 3.42% and worldwide excluding China it's 1.5%.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

I think this thread basically guarantees that it will spread as there are clearly a large proportion of people who think it’s an idle threat or alarmist bullshit. Unfortunately this attitude will inevitably lead to complacency from people who feel they will only catch a mild ‘cold’ but who will then infect more susceptible people because they continue to go to work, out to
restaurants etc.

My wife is 5 months pregnant with high blood pressure and gestational diabetes. I’m shitting myself that she is going to end up in emergency for pregnancy related problems at the height of this thing and will either catch it herself or be unable to get the care she needs, both of which place her and our unborn child at high risk.

People need to take this seriously. They don’t lock down cities of 10 million people for the sniffles. Governments don’t tend to talk shit up, they downplay threats normally. We are being told to prepare for the worst and there is no logical reason why that would be exaggerated.

 

[Brutalitops]

We are being told to prepare for the worst and there is no logical reason why that would be exaggerated.

Except we arent being told to prepare for the worst. Unless you mean by preppers, in which case you need to up you prescription for aluminium foil

 

[Obeanie1]

This is alarmist rubbish. There are 195 soveteign countries in the world. 59 have reported cases of the virus. It's not 'basically in every country now'.

Your right. Indonesia still hasnt reported a case.

And only a couple of countries have in Afica and South America.

But basically every 1st would country with the ability to detect it has!

Im not alarmist. This will become another flu the world will need to deal with. Not the end of the world but a fair number of weaker and older people will be lost. It will however hurt the poor and those less advantaged who live in over crowded areas

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Except we arent being told to prepare for the worst. Unless you mean by preppers, in which case you need to up you prescription for aluminium foil

The head of the AMA gave an interview on Perth radio on Friday and said in no uncertain terms that the health department was preparing for up to 10 000 hospital admissions in Perth alone.

Trust me mate I’m not a tin foil conspiracy theorist and it takes a fair bit to convince me normally. I’ve been following this thing since January. The level of global concern is unprecedented.

 

[Ron The Bear]

This is alarmist rubbish. There are 195 soveteign countries in the world. 59 have reported cases of the virus. It's not 'basically in every country now'.

Armenia makes 65 (one third), but who's counting.

 

[Ron The Bear]

It's already happening in Europe with the soccer.

There'd be a spike in revenue for Fox / Kayo if it did happen with the AFL.

Italy has postponed five Serie A matches which were going to be played in empty stadia.

Italian Soccer League Postponed Amid Ongoing Coronavirus Fears

 

[SaltPeter]

True I didn’t know the true meaning of pandemic v epidemic however if you think for one minute mainstream media In this country isn’t racist you are living in dreamworld.

I’m sorry you feel that way friend .. here, have a potato, i’m praying it provides a little balance (I can’t be ****ed changing the name dh)

 

[imperial_oz]

My Boss's mum just flew in from Vietnam, her plane was full of Chinese students who flew into Vietnam and then to Australia, There was no screening, no questions needed answering, the measures aren't there right now if they actually want containment.

Actually, I just flew in from Vietnam and while we were there, we watched incoming travellers with Chinese passports being taken of the lines and isolated. I don't know what happened afterwards but there was definitely screening being undertaken at the airport. Airport officials are certainly taking things seriously. You now have to stand behind a sheet of glass at the immigration desk. Everyone wears masks and they are placing bottles of alcohol based hand wash for all incoming travellers to use.

The whole COVID-19 business is being taken very seriously in Vietnam

 

[imperial_oz]

Couldn't they just test all the players then play with no crowds? It would be shit, but better than no sport and the AFL would still get ratings

That's a terrible suggestion.

How can the eagles boo their way into all those extra free kicks if there's nobody there to boo?

 

[queensberryrules]

Actually, I just flew in from Vietnam and while we were there, we watched incoming travellers with Chinese passports being taken of the lines and isolated. I don't know what happened afterwards but there was definitely screening being undertaken at the airport. Airport officials are certainly taking things seriously. You now have to stand behind a sheet of glass at the immigration desk. Everyone wears masks and they are placing bottles of alcohol based hand wash for all incoming travellers to use.

The whole COVID-19 business is being taken very seriously in Vietnam

Schools have been closed a month. High schools and inter schools able to open tomorrow. Other schools still closed.

On SM-G955F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[imperial_oz]

Schools have been closed a month. High schools and inter schools able to open tomorrow. Other schools still closed.

On SM-G955F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Yeah, I'd forgotten that bit for a moment

 

[Mordecai]

I have the Uber Eats app. I will be fine.

Children, this man is already dead.

 

[imperial_oz]

No but much more white than Africans. Ebola had a mortality rate of90%, you’d think it would have been front page of the news most days yeah?

Only one strain of Ebola had a mortality rate approaching 90%. Other strains were less virulent. One strain broke out in the USA (Ebola Reston) and while it killed monkeys extremely effectively, of the people that were infected, none died.

 

[imperial_oz]

Yes sorry infected 30% of World's population , 40-50 million died . Phew slightly relieved .

I've been reading that the most recent epidemiological studies have revised that to 50 - 100 million deaths

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

AFL well-placed for any coronavirus shock: McLachlan

The AFL has only "limited exposure" to the coronavirus and is well-placed to weather any economic shocks from the spread of the disease, according to AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

 

[Slartibartfast]

AFL well-placed for any coronavirus shock: McLachlan

The AFL has only "limited exposure" to the coronavirus and is well-placed to weather any economic shocks from the spread of the disease, according to AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

Typical nothing to see here from a CEO.
What you need to take not of is “we take advice from the federal government”.

This means when virus becomes uncontained Scotty from marketing will rightly say no public masses allowed.

Now, could our games be played without supporters?
It could providing they were not reliant on travelling interestate on a regular basis which may be the deal breaker. WA and SA teams may need to take up residence in Victoria Or on the eastern coast And relinquish home games.

 

[Brutalitops]

The head of the AMA gave an interview on Perth radio on Friday and said in no uncertain terms that the health department was preparing for up to 10 000 hospital admissions in Perth alone.

Trust me mate I’m not a tin foil conspiracy theorist and it takes a fair bit to convince me normally. I’ve been following this thing since January. The level of global concern is unprecedented.

10k admissions doesnt mean 10k people affected by the virus to the point they need hospitalisation. Most of those would be overreactors insisting they have it or precautionary admissions. And over what time period? Perth just needs to chillax and everything will be fine.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

I think this thread basically guarantees that it will spread as there are clearly a large proportion of people who think it’s an idle threat or alarmist bullshit. Unfortunately this attitude will inevitably lead to complacency from people who feel they will only catch a mild ‘cold’ but who will then infect more susceptible people because they continue to go to work, out to
restaurants etc.

My wife is 5 months pregnant with high blood pressure and gestational diabetes. I’m shitting myself that she is going to end up in emergency for pregnancy related problems at the height of this thing and will either catch it herself or be unable to get the care she needs, both of which place her and our unborn child at high risk.

People need to take this seriously. They don’t lock down cities of 10 million people for the sniffles. Governments don’t tend to talk shit up, they downplay threats normally. We are being told to prepare for the worst and there is no logical reason why that would be exaggerated.

Unfortunately you are right. There are too many keyboard warriors who only read about tragic world events in history books. They rock up to work sick and expect a medal for their bravery. Meanwhile they pass on their sickness to their co-workers and everyone suffers. Same thing will happen in Oz. Every ignorant scrub who has never faced adversity in their life will go on travelling and behaving like nothing is different. Trouble is we have an aging population and all the baby boomers will be at risk. My father has been having regular immunotherapy treatment for melanoma cancer the past few years. About 4 years ago he had his spleen and one axillary node removed. If COVID-19 infects him he is a goner...

I wish our government took a much more aggressive approach to this. We are so lucky to be bordered by ocean, yet we let people fly in from all over the world still despite the outbreak being relatively close to us in those neighbouring Asian countries.

 

[My Cotchin Rules]

I think this thread basically guarantees that it will spread as there are clearly a large proportion of people who think it’s an idle threat or alarmist bullshit. Unfortunately this attitude will inevitably lead to complacency from people who feel they will only catch a mild ‘cold’ but who will then infect more susceptible people because they continue to go to work, out to
restaurants etc.

My wife is 5 months pregnant with high blood pressure and gestational diabetes. I’m shitting myself that she is going to end up in emergency for pregnancy related problems at the height of this thing and will either catch it herself or be unable to get the care she needs, both of which place her and our unborn child at high risk.

People need to take this seriously. They don’t lock down cities of 10 million people for the sniffles. Governments don’t tend to talk shit up, they downplay threats normally. We are being told to prepare for the worst and there is no logical reason why that would be exaggerated.

Finaly someone with half a brain after reading some ridicules comments in here. It's the people that don't give a shit are the one's that are most likely to spread it as they arent taking hygienic precautions.
Forget the media & just remember when the government says 'it's a problem'. The problem is much bigger.

 

[threesixpio]

Media mischief.

The fatality rate is 0.7% where the normal flu fatality rate is 0.3% ... SARS was over 10% fatalities and MERS was 35%.
You generally gotta be over 60 to be at risk and most deaths are people over 80.
China is sending people back to work, their rational is lots more may get it but most will just be sick for a fortnight then carry on working.
This is not the Spanish Flu or even SARS, they even have vaccines already for it!
Might be a slight risk for people in a big crowd but the players should be fine.

I’m reading from multiple sources that a vaccine will be another year. Where are you reading that? Source. Lots of people are chucking in random supposed facts with no source

You’re right about the age distribution of the fatality rate but what people are concerned about is that it will knock out a huge number in that age group. Containing it with the younger mob is about trying not to make them spreaders as they will spread it to the oldies who will drop like flies

Edit: your overall stats are not even slightly close to anything I’m reading. Seriously, where are getting your facts? Your cynicism about the media is fine but I imagine you’re reading something to feel so confident ?

 

[threesixpio]

Finaly someone with half a brain.after reading some ridicules comment in here. It's the people that don't give a shit are the one's that are most likely to spread it as they arent taking hygienic precautions.
Forget the media & just remember when the government says 'it's a problem'. The problem is much bigger.

Just read something decent on the topic is my advice. In an age of brilliant available information on the net there are a bunch of idiots who chose to read Facebook posts and other shit I’m assuming

Foucault responded to Roland Barthes “Death of the Author” with “What is an Author?” ie by killing the author you’re just replacing it with the critic anyway.

Similarly, we have people with a remarkable anti expert ethos mixed with a cynicism of the media who then confidently throw a whole bunch of facts around

I’m a crotchety old Marxist so I think there are powerful parts of the media that are corrupt as all **** but why just jump into some faux nihilism for the sake of it and then assert facts. It’s really dumb