Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[KERRPOW]

Can she get a medical exemption for the booster? Those are some serious side effects

We arnt sure, something we will look into.

 

[Rowan18]

The kid is a selfish brat who should be at hone if he's sick; that was commonly accepted as the right thing to do even prior to Covid.
But should that selfishness be criminalised? I'm uneasy with that, and doing so under laws created under what seems like a permanent state of emergency. We're either living with Covid in the community or we're not, and if we are then potentially spreading it through normal human activity should not be a crime.


The incessant testing of healthy people is prolonging the pandemic for everyone, as well as being a colossal waste of scarce health system resources.

'Inconvenience', while an accurate description for the impact it would have on me, is a major undersell for many others. Having to close their business for 2 weeks at their busiest time of the year (happened to a sole trader I know here), kids kept out of school, milestone events missed.

One big problem that prolonged Melbourne's first long lockdown was casual workers who didn't get paid if they didn't work. They lived hand to mouth and couldn't afford to take 2 weeks off.

This guy was COVID positive and was a dick not to go home (the same as anyone else who goes out when sick with flu, gastro etc). The manslaughter thing is too far though - if we do that we might as well extend it to fast food, alcohol etc (which also kill people indirectly).

 

[Balls In]

The kid is a selfish brat who should be at hone if he's sick; that was commonly accepted as the right thing to do even prior to Covid.

No brainer, the kid is an arse. Throw away the key. Like having sex with aids.

 

[Biggie]

Thoughts here?

 

[Forward Press]

Isn't the science still out on getting a 4th shot?

There is also the inherent inequity of nations moving onto 4th shots while much of the less developed countries still struggle for one. Variants are far more likely to come about where the virus is allowed to circulate unhindered by vaccines.

 

[Godfather32]

Thoughts here?

See what happens I guess, I'll do whatever the medical advice says.
Seemed obvious to me where it was heading though, this isn't a surprise

 

[MrKK]

Thoughts here?

You'll be lucky to keep your mod status for spreading this anti-vaxx sentiment. But nice of the NYT to finally start asking the right questions.

 

[Rowan18]

See what happens I guess, I'll do whatever the medical advice says.
Seemed obvious to me where it was heading though, this isn't a surprise

The tough thing is that there doesn't appear to be any consensus from medical advisors on this. They never trialled 4 doses, so it is all speculation.

It seems to me they are trying to get the vaccines to do something they are not designed for - by drastically stopping spread rather than preventing severe health problems. The article days the protection from illness doesn't wane much, but the ability to stop spread drops after 10 weeks. If they want to go down this road, then it means a booster every 3 months and hope that it doesn't overload people along the way.

 

[Godfather32]

The tough thing is that there doesn't appear to be any consensus from medical advisors on this. They never trialled 4 doses, so it is all speculation.

It seems to me they are trying to get the vaccines to do something they are not designed for - by drastically stopping spread rather than preventing severe health problems. The article days the protection from illness doesn't wane much, but the ability to stop spread drops after 10 weeks. If they want to go down this road, then it means a booster every 3 months and hope that it doesn't overload people along the way.

Israel are ahead of us so we should be able to get some good data from how they go.

Israel Begins Trial of Fourth COVID-19 Vaccine Dose

The trial began at Sheba Medical Center, outside Tel Aviv, with 150 medical personnel receiving shots

time.com

I don't know what the answer is, but "letting it rip" doesn't appear to be going so well in NSW or any of the other countries who went down this route and are now back tracking as quickly as possible.

 

[Dazzler9]

I suspect we need an Omicron-specific booster before going down the path of a 4th booster.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Getting harder and harder to keep track of all the combination dictator/McGowan nicknames.

MegalomaniacGowan is the funniest so far

 

[Luuuc]

I go with Mardolfk McGöringwan because the other nicknames are too clever & subtle so they sneak over most people's heads.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Surely we follow the Vic's with this

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Why was the mandate extended to three shots and the time between second and third shots reduced from six months to four months you might ask?

Boosters protect well against omicron — but just two shots don't

A UK study into omicron has alarming findings for the double-vaxxed — and good news for the triple-vaxxed

www.salon.com

They use data from the imperal college of London who have been wrong through this whole pandemic .

What makes you think they are right this time ?

Imperial College Predicted Catastrophe in Every Country on Earth. Then the Models Failed. – AIER

www.aier.org

The Failure of Imperial College Modeling Is Far Worse than We Knew – AIER

www.aier.org

 

[Eastern Rangers]

In Victoria they have 18000+ active cases 2700 yesterday alone but only 69 ICU .

Vaccination plus the virus mutating into less deadly more infectious variants has made it possible to just live with it.

There was 50000 people at the MCG

People have lost the irrational fear of covid and are getting on with their lives

And we are having a go at backpackers having a little party and people not scanning in.

Mcgowan still wants covid zero . He seems upset we have covid in our community not on his terms

I think you're presenting a scenario that doesn't really cohere to reality YET. The actual severity of illness from Omicron isn't really known as the vaccine still masks the majority of severe disease. Living with it increases the risks of the pandemic running long and escaping our vaccines entirely, which increases the risk of future epidemics, lock downs etc...

The features of Omicron to date are its ability to outcompete Delta, reduced efficacy of existing vaccines, mitigated with a third dose & a reduction in severe disease. You can't necessarily extrapolate this into the future.

McGowan still wants to suppress the virus and that remains the most conservative strategy.

Nothing McGowan has implemented in the last week suggests a policy of outright elimination. Which would have required a lockdown over Christmas.



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[Get_The_Gaff]

Headaches, fever, vomiting, duck squirts, joint pain, the shakes.

It was her inability to keep down water that made most of the side effects worse.

It took about 2 weeks for the headaches to go away. Shes dreading having the booster due to her reaction, especially if we have to get jabbed quarterly.

Well the novovax is supposed to be out in January without any of the major side effects of the pfizer AZ and moderna.

Novavax COVID-19 Vaccine Less Likely to Cause Side Effects

Based on Novavax’s phase 3 clinical trials, their COVID-19 vaccine appears to have a substantially lower rate of side effects than the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines.

www.verywellhealth.com

 

[Biggie]

ISOLATION SHAKE-UP: Calls to make major change to COVID rule as infections soar

The proposed change for the fully vaccinated would put Australia in line with the United States.

7news.com.au

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I think you're presenting a scenario that doesn't really cohere to reality YET. The actual severity of illness from Omicron isn't really known as the vaccine still masks the majority of severe disease. Living with it increases the risks of the pandemic running long and escaping our vaccines entirely, which increases the risk of future epidemics, lock downs etc...

The features of Omicron to date are its ability to outcompete Delta, reduced efficacy of existing vaccines, mitigated with a third dose & a reduction in severe disease. You can't necessarily extrapolate this into the future.

McGowan still wants to suppress the virus and that remains the most conservative strategy.

Nothing McGowan has implemented in the last week suggests a policy of outright elimination. Which would have required a lockdown over Christmas.



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South Africa’s hospitalization rate plunges amid Omicron wave

The South African health minister has offered some encouraging Covid news, suggesting that the Omicron variant is causing much fewer hospitalizations than previous strains of the virus, while it is far more contagious.

www.rt.com

Only 1.7% of confirmed Covid-19 cases in the second week of the current fourth wave of the virus resulted in hospitalization. That’s compared with 19% who were hospitalized in the same week of the third wave, which was driven by the Delta variant,

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Gulags of course being famous for letting their prisoners stay at home and watch Netflix instead of continuing on with the forced labour.

The mere comparison shows the pettiness and moral fragility of a large cohort of our society, where people equivocate temporary personal inconvenience with substantive human rights abuses.

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[Eastern Rangers]

South Africa’s hospitalization rate plunges amid Omicron wave

The South African health minister has offered some encouraging Covid news, suggesting that the Omicron variant is causing much fewer hospitalizations than previous strains of the virus, while it is far more contagious.

www.rt.com

Delta wave moved through South Africa when it had just 5% of its population vaccinated.

Edit: 5% not 1%

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[Get_The_Gaff]

Delta wave moved through South Africa when it had just 5% of its population vaccinated.

Edit: 5% not 1%

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Its only at 26% now in a population of 60 million .

They would be a long way to heard immunity.

My argument now is with omicron only having a 1.7% hospitalisation rate in a much less vaccinated and prepared country in South Africa ( excluding heard immunity which can't be measured) why don't we just open up ?

No better time than now

We are in the middle of summer and our immunity levels are at their highest.

We have a highly vaccinated general public

The omicron is far less likely to kill at risk people than covid 19 and delta .

 

[Godfather32]

ISOLATION SHAKE-UP: Calls to make major change to COVID rule as infections soar

The proposed change for the fully vaccinated would put Australia in line with the United States.

7news.com.au

Do we want to be in line with the united states?

 

[Biggie]

Do we want to be in line with the united states?

Do we have a choice? I’m no expert that’s for certain!

ScoMo is about to conduct a presser

 

[Godfather32]

Do we have a choice?

ScoMo is about to conduct a presser

Maybe here, for now

 

[Goroyals22]

Do we have a choice? I’m no expert that’s for certain!

ScoMo is about to conduct a presser

I wouldn’t be to concerned… what everyone agrees to do in national cabinet quickly gets changed by each premier in line with their own polling…. Usually McGowan first up as he has his presser straight after it.