Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[Forward Press]

That is actually a bit of an issue for a lot of older members of the community.

Paper vaccination certificates are permitted.

There would also be no issue with their carer producing that information should they enter a space that requires evidence of vaccination.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Wait, every "older" person has a carer?

 

[Godfather32]

Wait, every "older" person has a carer?

Who cares, they're old and going to die anyway, chuck em in the bin

 

[Agent93]

There would also be no issue with their carer producing that information should they enter a space that requires evidence of vaccination.

That's unfortunately an incorrect assumption. Carers don't have access to clients' personal documentation - that either needs to be provided by the client or next of kin. For those under care, many don't readily have a valid source of identification; they don't drive, they don't travel.

Some struggle with technology so much they have not been able to obtain a hard copy of their vaccination report from medicare online, most don't have MyGov access setup anyway. Again, carers don't have access to the clients personal data to be able to go through MyGov to do this for them.

Source: my wife, and my neighbour, who both work in aged and disability care.

I posed this question before: what's the point of showing proof of vaccination? What does it accomplish?

 

[Agent93]

Wait, every "older" person has a carer?

Mine and my wife's parents don't, but they're septuagenarians. In theory they've got a few years left in them.

None of them have been able to setup ServiceWA without assistance. My mum's going the printout + driver's license route should she need to prove vaccination status.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

That is actually a bit of an issue for a lot of older members of the community.

Absolutely, but there’s plenty of non electronic alternatives and given it’s so prevalent in your day-to-day, it’s pretty easy to remember to do. Lost count of the amount of older people I’ve seen with a lanyard on with their certificates etc. It’s by no means perfect for people who aren’t technologically inclined but there’s enough options, and the people who don’t do everything on their phones have to be carrying a wallet around anyway so surely they’ve got their ID 24/7 as is.

 

[Forward Press]

That's unfortunately an incorrect assumption. Carers don't have access to clients' personal documentation - that either needs to be provided by the client or next of kin. For those under care, many don't readily have a valid source of identification; they don't drive, they don't travel.

Some struggle with technology so much they have not been able to obtain a hard copy of their vaccination report from medicare online, most don't have MyGov access setup anyway. Again, carers don't have access to the clients personal data to be able to go through MyGov to do this for them.

Source: my wife, and my neighbour, who both work in aged and disability care.

I posed this question before: what's the point of showing proof of vaccination? What does it accomplish?

I think it's a failure of our system if elderly people under care are unable to have someone or some organisation able to help them with identification documents.

Wouldn't nursing homes be able to do this as part of their role?

Thanks for shedding light on this.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Mine and my wife's parents don't, but they're septuagenarians. In theory they've got a few years left in them.

None of them have been able to setup ServiceWA without assistance. My mum's going the printout + driver's license route should she need to prove vaccination status.

Yeah my folks were similar, I had to do it for them. There must be some cutoff age at which it becomes impossible and you need a young* person to do it for you. Didn’t McGowan himself need one of his kids to help?

*for these purposes I count as young.

 

[Agent93]

Didn’t McGowan himself need one of his kids to help?

Yep. I think he's a perfect example of an average person, and thus proves the process is too complex.

I think it's a failure of our system if elderly people under care are unable to have someone or some organisation able to help them with identification documents.

Wouldn't nursing homes be able to do this as part of their role?

Personal data privacy comes into effect. Some facilities may have policies where the residents waive certain privacy rights, but as I mentioned earlier, a lot of residents don't have valid documentation anyway. In home care agencies have another set of issues, in that they can't centrally store identification.

*for these purposes I count as young.

Do you count as young, or tech savvy? The latter is still valid, and you can be proud of your experience

 

[Forward Press]

Yep. I think he's a perfect example of an average person, and thus proves the process is too complex

I think many on here agree that setting up ServiceWA is too difficult for the average person. It is not reasonable to expect the majority to be tech savvy enough to download two separate apps, verify their identity multiple times, then mesh it with ServiceWA.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Mine and my wife's parents don't, but they're septuagenarians. In theory they've got a few years left in them.

None of them have been able to setup ServiceWA without assistance. My mum's going the printout + driver's license route should she need to prove vaccination status.

Same situation here, I had to set it up for both my folks and the in laws (all similar age).

Thought it was a strange response to assume "older" (and maybe not that tech savy) automatically meant having a carer.

Maybe I missed something in the conversation though.

 

[Forward Press]

Same situation here, I had to set it up for both my folks and the in laws (all similar age).

Thought it was a strange response to assume "older" (and maybe not that tech savy) automatically meant having a carer.

Maybe I missed something in the conversation though.

I did not imply that all older people had carers, simply that older people that might not be all there mentally would have carers and they would have their identification and certificates, which Agent93 was helpful in correcting. Apologies for any confusion.

 

[Balls In]

Wow. What a read. We are back at "producing your papers is easy" or something, and the irrationality and inconvenience of demanding millions do so is...

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Thousands of doctors signed a petition saying it was easy to use the app. Thousands of them.

 

[Scotland]

Wow. What a read. We are back at "producing your papers is easy" or something, and the irrationality and inconvenience of demanding millions do so is...

You don't want the truth because deep down in paces you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that border -- you need me on that border.

We use words like "get vaccinated", "get tested", "isolate". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent crushing the virus. You use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very protection from COVID that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

 

[larrikin]

Yeah my folks were similar, I had to do it for them. There must be some cutoff age at which it becomes impossible and you need a young* person to do it for you. Didn’t McGowan himself need one of his kids to help?

*for these purposes I count as young.

I had to do my wife's. But I'm pretty sure she just figured it was a sucker's job.

**** me there is a lot of messing around. And then my wife's displays the valid from date as her second shot, where mine shows as my booster date. Both have the exact same details in mygov.

 

[Bestbird]

I had to do my wife's. But I'm pretty sure she just figured it was a sucker's job.

fu** me there is a lot of messing around. And then my wife's displays the valid from date as her second shot, where mine shows as my booster date. Both have the exact same details in mygov.

I let my wife do mine as I knew it was a suckers job bless her little cotton socks

 

[Dazzler9]

I had to do my wife's. But I'm pretty sure she just figured it was a sucker's job.

fu** me there is a lot of messing around. And then my wife's displays the valid from date as her second shot, where mine shows as my booster date. Both have the exact same details in mygov.

Same here Larry. I did my wife's, and it shows a different date to mine. Very odd.

 

[Schtinker]

Thousands of doctors signed a petition saying it was easy to use the app. Thousands of them.

Is that the same as 4%? Just asking for a friend.

 

[amazingjoshy]

When it comes to people unvaccinated against COVID, 'anti-vaxxers' are loud — but the minority

Vocal "anti-vaxxers" and conspiracy theorists don't make up the majority of 900,000 Australians yet to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

www.abc.net.au

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah my folks were similar, I had to do it for them. There must be some cutoff age at which it becomes impossible and you need a young* person to do it for you. Didn’t McGowan himself need one of his kids to help?

*for these purposes I count as young.

You gotta make 'em do it.

My mum lives in Tassie and I just repeatedly told her it's not that hard and to work it out, after explaining how to link it via MyGov a couple of times (she's 73).

I figure she's studied video editing at TAFE and completed a fine arts degree at Uni in her 60s so linking a certificate to an app on her phone shouldn't be hard.

She got there eventually.

 

[DanWCE]

I had to do my wife's.

Multiple wives! At the same time?! Exhausting

 

[Doashuey]

You don't want the truth because deep down in paces you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that border -- you need me on that border.

We use words like "get vaccinated", "get tested", "isolate". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent crushing the virus. You use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very protection from COVID that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Mine was easy, but I already had a MyGov ID set up as part of my business. No one realises at first that it is a separate thing to a MyGov account. Such stupid labelling.

My wife was not so lucky, but it is part her own doing and part her parents. Her birth certificate shows her middle name hyphenated which strictly makes it a part of her first name, but her parents are adamant the hospital stuffed it up. She hates it and treats it as as separate middle name. Has led to a mish mash of IDs, e.g. her passport is hyphenated, medicare is not. Makes it tough.

I love it because I get to tease her about having a trailer park trash name. I won't say what it is but if you've seen that scene in Ted where Mark Wahlberg is trying to guess the name of Ted's girlfirend you'll get the idea.

 

[Dazzler9]

Mine was easy, but I already had a MyGov ID set up as part of my business. No one realises at first that it is a separate thing to a MyGov account. Such stupid labelling.

My wife was not so lucky, but it is part her own doing and part her parents. Her birth certificate shows her middle name hyphenated which strictly makes it a part of her first name, but her parents are adamant the hospital stuffed it up. She hates it and treats it as as separate middle name. Has led to a mish mash of IDs, e.g. her passport is hyphenated, medicare is not. Makes it tough.

I love it because I get to tease her about having a trailer park trash name. I won't say what it is but if you've seen that scene in Ted where Mark Wahlberg is trying to guess the name of Ted's girlfirend you'll get the idea.

Could she change it by deed poll?