Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[MIKE85]

Yeah I’m south of Joondalup and north of Marmion, so let’s hope it stays away. Or maybe it comes close and we all get 2 weeks off

 

[Balls In]

NSW, Vic and Qld recorded a total of 80 deaths in the last day.

That seems a little higher than even a bad cold and flu season.

I genuinely dunno about that. Perhaps but it would have to be marginal one way or another.

We are talking about a population of about 15-20 million people and most of those dying are very old people with co-morbidities.

Not enough to justify the hysteria.

 

[Goroyals22]

Give them free access to proper masks. Give them free access to tests for them and their loved ones. Make sure they are all fully boosted and have first access to any new vaccines/treatments. Don't waste time and resources randomly testing healthy people.

And at the end of the day, if they want to take on the risk of going out and about, that's their call too.

If 90% of people don't even know they have it, it isn't some big scary deadly disease that the huge majority of the population need to be under restrictions over.

Dont you realise if you have no symptoms, have done the right thing and are following guidelines you should still be considered like a crazed gunman mowing people down left and right and should be locked up for the rest of society’s safety .

 

[amazingjoshy]

All good ideas.

They can’t really just decide to not go out and about though. They need day to day items, medical care, etc. Not all of them have people in their lives that can do their running around for them.

Free access to home delivery services/home care services? The money saved/made by not restricting the rest of society surely more than makes up any costs involved.

Now we're highly vaxxed and with all the evidence around Omicron being milder, it just seems crazy to have this obsession about cases when the vast majority of people don't get sick either at all or more than cold symptoms.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

SEDA kids catch my train. Also overheard other kids from different schools on the train talking about how year levels at their schools are in quarantine but their year level isn't so they're still going to school.

Then were were all packed into a train replacement bus.

So yay?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I genuinely dunno about that. Perhaps but it would have to be marginal one way or another.

It’s not marginal.

https://www.guild.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/84229/Influenza-Report-30-October-2019.pdf

This report from Oct 2019 suggests NSW would have about 500 flu deaths in a bad year. On current rates they’ll get that about every two weeks.

 

[Forward Press]

Yeah heard on 92.9 there were 3 more schools with Corvid to be announced today.

?

 

[Forward Press]

It’s not marginal.

https://www.guild.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/84229/Influenza-Report-30-October-2019.pdf

This report from Oct 2019 suggests NSW would have about 500 flu deaths in a bad year. On current rates they’ll get that about every two weeks.

And from a virus where the dominant variant is relatively mild, and with widespread vaccination and masks and restrictions at certain places.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Loving how McGowans roll out of his vaccine passport/social credits scheme is going. I'll admit I haven't heard of any violence personally so I'll happily admit I might have been wrong about that, but what I have seen is;

1) 1.5m have said yeah, nah - to his tracking app that he doesn't even know how to work himself
2) creation of an overnight alcohol black market
3) widespread ignoring of the scheme
4) mass confusion, people searching phones, wallets, standing off to the side of lines trying to find their papers
5) businesses shutting down in protest of the scheme; and
6) my favourite - seen in Dan Murphys - a computer screen turned fully around at the tills with a stillshot from a vid "You have been denied the ability to purchase these items, this is a failure of govt..." etc

Where have you seen this? I feel like you must rarely leave your house. Since the new rules came into effect I've been out to a cafe, multiple restaurants, a liquor store, and a bar. At each of those places I was asked for the proof of vaccination and I showed it, that was it. The liquor store I visited plus another couple of craft beer shops I follow on social media have advertised schemes where unvaccinated people can order online and then (I believe) collect the alcohol outside the bottle shop; I believe in one case they would deliver it for a small fee. It's very easy to get the vaccination certificate on your smart phone (either take a screenshot or put it in your Apple Wallet, or it's easy to get into the ServiceWA App), so if you are seeing mass confusion then you must be frequenting businesses with the dumbest customers in the State. I haven't heard of any businesses shutting down, but I guess if people are dumb enough to close an otherwise successful business because of the requirement to check vaccinations, then I guess best of luck to them.

As for the "tracking app" I think that 1.5 million people have just not downloaded or activated it yet, versus your assertion that all of those people have just rejected it out of hand.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Why not put all our resources into protecting the vulnerable instead of wasting them on randomly testing people who aren't sick for a disease that 90% (according to that "survey") of people don't even know they have.

The same old tiresome moral superiority argument is beyond ridiculous at this point

The vulnerable, aside from old people with existing health problems, are people who are unvaccinated. How do we protect people who refuse to protect themselves? Keep in mind that if some middle-aged knob gets Covid and gets severely ill, the state is obligated to provide that person with hospital care.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

if you are seeing mass confusion then you must be frequenting businesses with the dumbest customers in the State.

lol

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

No I don't think its age adjusted. Also, the stat was posted up here yesterday by someone demonstrating the effectiveness of vaccines and I have not checked its source. Point stands though. If 90% of people aren't being added to case number stats then surely we are getting into - dare I say it - cold and flu season type levels of public health risk.

No, try again.

The flu killed 1,255 Australians in 2017. There were about 1,800 Covid deaths in Australia in January 2022 alone, and that is with vaccination rates which are far higher than the percentage of Australians who get the flu jab each year leading into the flu season. Omicron may be less deadly than previous variants but it is much more transmissible than previous variants, or the normal flu. This image is pre-vaccine and pre-omicron, but there is a world of difference between the flu and Covid.

 

[Balls In]

It’s not marginal.

https://www.guild.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/84229/Influenza-Report-30-October-2019.pdf

This report from Oct 2019 suggests NSW would have about 500 flu deaths in a bad year. On current rates they’ll get that about every two weeks.

I'm not being a smart arse but are they counting people dying "with" flu or "of" flu? I saw a Chant interview where she explained some " historic" deaths being added to the COVID stats as the NSW coroner is taking nose swabs of everyone who dies.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Who cares, they're old and going to die anyway, chuck em in the bin

There seems to be a lot of overlap between people who are griping that they haven't been able to travel interstate to attend the funeral of their precious old grandma, and people who say "well Covid is mostly killing sick old people so who cares, just let 'er rip"

 

[Balls In]

No, try again.

The flu killed 1,255 Australians in 2017. There were about 1,800 Covid deaths in Australia in January 2022 alone, and that is with vaccination rates which are far higher than the percentage of Australians who get the flu jab each year leading into the flu season. Omicron may be less deadly than previous variants but it is much more transmissible than previous variants, or the normal flu. This image is pre-vaccine and pre-omicron, but there is a world of difference between the flu and Covid.

That makes sense to me that COVID is more transmissable, not necessarily more dangerous, just reaches more people. Remember as well that flu is an endemic disease meaning most people have at least some level of natural or herd immunity. That is where we need to get to with COVID.

 

[Godfather32]

There seems to be a lot of overlap between people who are griping that they haven't been able to travel interstate to attend the funeral of their precious old grandma, and people who say "well Covid is mostly killing sick old people so who cares, just let 'er rip"

Yeah I've noticed that. It's fine as long as it's not their Nanna

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

'Like North Korea': Qantas boss takes aim at WA's border as state records 18 new cases

Qantas chief executive likens fortress Western Australia to North Korea, warning the state will remain shut "indefinitely" until it has a plan to live with COVID.

www.abc.net.au

"We are supposed to be all Australians, you can't even travel around your own country," he said.
"And there is not a plan in Western Australia for when that is going to open up.
"It is starting to look like North Korea."

What exactly does Mr. Joyce think life is like in North Korea? This is as stupid as the comparisons to apartheid or the Holocaust.

Upper management types really seem stunned to find out that governments actually have other obligations beyond making sure that large businesses can make as much money as possible.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I'm not being a smart arse but are they counting people dying "with" flu or "of" flu? I saw a Chant interview where she explained some " historic" deaths being added to the COVID stats as the NSW coroner is taking nose swabs of everyone who dies.

Not sure how that applies to the figure of 80 Covid deaths across three states occurring yesterday, reported this morning.

 

[Dazzler9]

Never thought I'd see the day when the Prime Minister agreed with the Premier on a border policy. Is this the kiss of death?

Morrison and McGowan become unlikely border buddies in the lead-up to the election

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has become an unlikely ally of WA Premier Mark McGowan over his hard border. It's a move surprising on face value, but one that makes sense politically, writes James Carmody.

www.abc.net.au

 

[MrKK]

When it comes to people unvaccinated against COVID, 'anti-vaxxers' are loud — but the minority

Vocal "anti-vaxxers" and conspiracy theorists don't make up the majority of 900,000 Australians yet to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

www.abc.net.au

I often think when I see stats of the elderly unvaccinated dying that it's probably existing poor health preventing them from getting vaccinated, rather than aged care homes being hotbeds of Pete Evans disciples.

That article also misses the corollary that a lot of 'anti-vaxxers' (using absurd 2022 definitions) are actually among those vaccinated.

 

[Balls In]

Not sure how that applies to the figure of 80 Covid deaths across three states occurring yesterday, reported this morning.

I'm just suggesting there is a specific way COVID deaths are recorded as distinct from flu. Just to be aware of. I doubt people with end stage terminal illness dying with flu were counted in flu death statistics.

 

[amazingjoshy]

There seems to be a lot of overlap between people who are griping that they haven't been able to travel interstate to attend the funeral of their precious old grandma, and people who say "well Covid is mostly killing sick old people so who cares, just let 'er rip"

Yawn

 

[amazingjoshy]

The vulnerable, aside from old people with existing health problems, are people who are unvaccinated. How do we protect people who refuse to protect themselves? Keep in mind that if some middle-aged knob gets Covid and gets severely ill, the state is obligated to provide that person with hospital care.

We have vax mandates to do nearly anything don't we?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We have vax mandates to do nearly anything don't we?

Maybe I live a boring sheltered life, but I think I’ve had to show my proof of vaccination once since Monday.

 

[Moose1414]

We'll never know of course, but one does wonder how many deaths could have been avoided, or could still be avoided, if health authorities were allowed to recommend helpful advice other than or in addition to vaccination.

"researchers published preliminary findings showing that 26 percent of coronavirus patients died if they were vitamin D deficient soon before hospitalization, compared to 3% who had normal levels of vitamin D.

They also determined that hospitalized patients who were vitamin D deficient were 14 times more likely, on average, to end up in severe or critical condition than others."

“People should learn from this that studies pointing to the importance of taking vitamin D are very reliable, and aren’t based on skewed data,” he said. “And it emphasizes the value of everyone taking a vitamin D supplement during the pandemic, which, consumed in sensible amounts in accordance with official advice, doesn’t have any downside.”

Israeli study offers strongest proof yet of vitamin D’s power to fight COVID

Bolstering previous research, scientists publish 'remarkable' data showing strong link between vitamin deficiency, prevalent in Israel, and death or serious illness among patients

www.timesofisrael.com

Pre-infection 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 levels and association with severity of COVID-19 illness

Objective Studies have demonstrated a potential correlation between low vitamin D status and both an increased risk of infection with SARS-CoV-2 and poorer clinical outcomes. This retrospective study examines if, and to what degree, a relationship exists between pre-infection serum...

journals.plos.org