Covid 19 (OPEN DISCUSSION)

[Miguel Sanchez]

Obesity is very rare in Australia? We might have suffering definitions of rare

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Good post, thanks for speaking some sense in amongst some of the trash that’s being thrown around. I think most level headed people can agree that it’d be nice to be able to travel and visit people, but sometimes public interest has to take precedence over self interest.

One thing I found shocking was, when watching a McGowan press conference a couple of months ago on ABC’s Facebook live page, the live comment feed was like 90% anti vaxxers and people who absolutely hated McGowan. This despite the fact that at the time, nearly 90% of WA’s 16+ population had at least one dose, and earlier in the year Labor won in the biggest landslide in Australian electoral history. It just goes to show that a lot of the most extreme voices on the vaccine “debate” (totally asinine that there is even a debate) tend to be super online, whereas most people who are happy to get the jab and follow the rules don’t feel the need to litter social media with comments about how the rules make a lot of sense and McGowan is generally doing an okay job.

 

[the harry]

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Ah, my bad.

Had been having the exact conversation yesterday where the person was essentially using comorbitities as a justification for sacrificing someone. Not realising that asthma is one and that we're an overweight nation.

 

[Dazzler9]

One thing I found shocking was, when watching a McGowan press conference a couple of months ago on ABC’s Facebook live page, the live comment feed was like 90% anti vaxxers and people who absolutely hated McGowan. This despite the fact that at the time, nearly 90% of WA’s 16+ population had at least one dose, and earlier in the year Labor won in the biggest landslide in Australian electoral history. It just goes to show that a lot of the most extreme voices on the vaccine “debate” (totally asinine that there is even a debate) tend to be super online, whereas most people who are happy to get the jab and follow the rules don’t feel the need to litter social media with comments about how the rules make a lot of sense and McGowan is generally doing an okay job.

The comments sections are in no way reflective of community sentiment, whether that be FB, YouTube, articles, whichever. They are an outlet for those with an axe to grind.

Tony Abbott may have been right about one thing. Social media comments are just electronic graffiti.

 

[Balls In]

Have seen these hot takes flying around social media (along with the inevitable clown emojis). Do you have any sort of substantive criticism of the decision to delay reopening? Because the reason for the delay was quite clearly explained.

Here's one. Its a virus. It can't be "stopped". This just delays the inevitable. His reasoning amounts to an admission that the hospitals are not ready - so what has he been doing this past 2 years? Blocking off two roads and holding people down for their mandated injections? Even the president of the AMA was scathing of this bloke.

 

[E92_]

This is such a sad take. I'm not anti vax but there's no cause for celebration or name calling of people losing their careers over their personal vax stances. The premier also admitted they do little to stop the spread of Omicron, so its not like he is a danger to the public at large.

Nah, I'm fine with people getting burnt for being unempathetic and selfish for refusing a vaccine with no legitimate excuses.

Jack Darling is an idiot and he'll deal with the consequences of being an idiot.

 

[FKASC]

Obesity is very rare in Australia? We might have suffering definitions of rare

I was being very sarcastic, but this thread is probably not the place for it.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Here's one. Its a virus. It can't be "stopped". This just delays the inevitable. His reasoning amounts to an admission that the hospitals are not ready - so what has he been doing this past 2 years? Blocking off two roads and holding people down for their mandated injections? Even the president of the AMA was scathing of this bloke.

You want a doctor with 2 years training?

 

[hudson2006]

The news comes as a relief to me. It is a gift of more months to spend with Covid vulnerable family and friends, plus the possibility that this longer wait might buy them a safer world to open up to.

Even if it is only a small chance that WA will be able to achieve a “soft landing” in the future, as McGowan put it, I think it is worth taking the punt.

The good news for people who want to travel and live with Covid is that they don’t even have to move out of Australia to attain such a lifestyle. Go get em, tigers. Looks like fun.

Now I can stop worrying for a while and just hope we get on top of this current outbreak. I wonder if a week lockdown might be in order, as with the past outbreaks.

 

[boondy]

You going to lock down forever then? Because Omicron isn't going away whether people like it or not. Before I get pegged as a right wing nutter I've supported labor my whole life, but it is clear the approach being taken in the eastern states is what is required now.


I have no skin in this game at all, I don’t holiday in WA. COVID is coming into WA eventually regardless of what happens with the border, ‘thousands dying’ is happening regardless.

So you are saying thousands will die once the borders open . So why should we open them . What is more important than life ? I know , holidays and seeing relatives in the flesh . If next door neighbour dies as a consequence that is irrelevant .

 

[the harry]

I was being very sarcastic, but this thread is probably not the place for it.

No I'm just an idiot, all good.

 

[Wosh]

Trust me, you don’t wanna open up the way we opened up.

 

[Forward Press]

So you are saying thousands will die once the borders open . So why should we open them . What is more important than life ?

The ability to go on Contiki tours and hire children as forklift drivers.

Also, why on earth is a Melbourne supporter cruising another club board's COVID discussion thread?

 

[amazingjoshy]

So you are saying thousands will die once the borders open . So why should we open them . What is more important than life ?

Thousands you reckon?

 

[ziad]

I was being very sarcastic, but this thread is probably not the place for it.

BMI tables are the place.

 

[MrKK]

So you are saying thousands will die once the borders open . So why should we open them . What is more important than life ? I know , holidays and seeing relatives in the flesh . If next door neighbour dies as a consequence that is irrelevant .

Life <> being alive

 

[Forward Press]

Thousands you reckon?

Virus deaths in 2022 running at triple the pace of delta wave

NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant has warned the community growing numbers of COVID-19 deaths are expected in days ahead.

www.afr.com

In 2022, to date 460 people have died. Those deaths have occurred at more than triple the pace experienced during last year’s delta wave in Australia.

This is with widespread vaccination as omicron became the dominant variant (remember it only arrived in Australia mid-December, and with all jurisdictions bar WA still taking mitigation measures to control the spread). It is not unreasonable to surmise a similar wave in WA without any mitigation measures would result in four digit casualties. NSW alone recorded 125 just last week, with the safe assumption that most if not all are omicron infections. Promisingly...

Queensland Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said of the 29 people who had died from COVID-19 since December 13, only one had received a booster shot.

This is an article from the Australian Financial Review, by the way - not exactly the biggest fan of the left side of politics. It makes a compelling argument based on numbers alone for a widespread booster program, which a border opening delay would buy time for.

 

[boondy]

Thousands you reckon?

I quoted the bloke before me as he reckoned thousands . If you are going to interrupt at least follow the conversation

Thousands you reckon?

 

[Balls In]

Also NSW being held up as though a zombie apocalypse is tearing through ignores that this is a state of 8 million people, that case numbers are massively high and the resultant deaths are incredibly low. I'm not downplaying it, this is a terrible disease and one death is too many, but it has to also be recognised that everyone dies eventually and people who are very old or have "co-morbidities" do by definition have low life expectancies regardless of Covid. In the meantime hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are hopefully obtaining some degree of natural herd immunity. I say this, as Covid is coming to WA regardless and hopefully to put peoples minds at ease that it is not a death sentence.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Here's one. Its a virus. It can't be "stopped". This just delays the inevitable. His reasoning amounts to an admission that the hospitals are not ready - so what has he been doing this past 2 years? Blocking off two roads and holding people down for their mandated injections? Even the president of the AMA was scathing of this bloke.

Except it obviously has been stopped in WA, as evidenced by the fact that life here has been more or less completely normal with no community transmission since about April 2020, and despite about 100,000 cases a day nationally there is still nearly no Covid in WA. There is a reason that nearly a million Americans have died versus 9 in WA. The entire point is to delay it the virus coming in until the state is in a better position to handle it, which it is now that most people are vaccinated and will be moreso once booster numbers increase. My 75 year old mum just had Covid last month, but it was just like a cold for her since she has had 3 Pfizer jabs. It’s fine if you want to trade off the lives of lots of people and the integrity of the public health system in exchange for free travel, but just be honest about it.

 

[boondy]

Obesity is very rare in Australia? We might have suffering definitions of rare

Edit: evidently I've misread the tone. Whoops.

 

[MIKE85]

It’s not a death sentence, but I don’t get the sentiment of just let it cause it’s coming anyway? Yeah it’ll come eventually, but why not give everyone enough time to prepare themselves with boosters and getting kids vaccinated, before we let it in? The one I keep hearing is “WA is getting left behind” which makes no sense. What are we missing out on?? Mass hospitalisations and deaths?? We’ve lived the most normal life of pretty much anywhere in the entire world the last 2 years, but let’s go ahead and live like the east coast and pretend that life is normal and that we’re “living with the virus” while hundreds of people are day are going to hospital and restrictions on what you can do are still in place.

 

[BrotherDodge]

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now what is that compared to cases throughout the world in the past or currently?

It's actually pretty bad relative to population size, the equivalent of nearly 2000 deaths in a day for the USA.

 

[amazingjoshy]

I quoted the bloke before me as he reckoned thousands . If you are going to interrupt at least follow the conversation

You used it as part of your argument though. If it's not true your arguments invalid?

 

[Balls In]

Except it obviously has been stopped in WA, as evidenced by the fact that life here has been more or less completely normal with no community transmission since about April 2020, and despite about 100,000 cases a day nationally there is still nearly no Covid in WA. There is a reason that nearly a million Americans have died versus 9 in WA. The entire point is to delay it the virus coming in until the state is in a better position to handle it, which it is now that most people are vaccinated and will be moreso once booster numbers increase. My 75 year old mum just had Covid last month, but it was just like a cold for her since she has had 3 Pfizer jabs. It’s fine if you want to trade off the lives of lots of people and the integrity of the public health system in exchange for free travel, but just be honest about it.

1) Its not stopped just delayed, 2) life in WA is not completely normal, 3) we have community transmission right now, 4) Australia's very high case numbers and low death rate is good - see point #1, 5) Australia is not comparable with the US as those deadly early versions of the disease were all over the US before they even knew it was in there, 6) 90% of West Australians are double vaxxed what makes you think McGowan wont shift the goalposts again?