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[JuniorB]

You're thinking of Samuel L Jackson.

He also did a version during the initial Covid outbreak.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I think we're on to getting yes across the line. We need a black voice, but we've got a lot more time and understanding for foreign black voices. Those Aussie one's are a bit too close to home. Much more comfortable to condemn the Yanks for their slavery or even empathise with an evil galactical tyrrant who had a difficult family relationship.

Though far from being white, I thought Johnny Farnham throwing his hat and song into the ring might get The Voice over the line! Problem for me is that the Gimp frequently sarcastically slagged off the song and album, particularly in his 'if we don't win ...' posts where he would talk about playing the voice album as an apparent form of musical torture.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Ok, if we’re comfortable that the voice is just an advisory group and not going to cause constitutional ****-ups, the next question is; does it go far enough?

Are we screwing the indigenous community by paying lip service to their needs by rehashing a consultative body with no power? Is this going to be an impediment to real change?

 

[South of the Yarra]

I'm still waiting for an Aboriginal mob to descend on and claim my suburban home as a consequence of a Governmental apology. That was the fear being evoked to try to deny a governmental apology in the sorry campaign.

What's your address?

 

[Vicky Park]

Two acquaintances (I hesitate to call them friends) have told me they will be voting no because

• the change to the constitution will create apartheid this country

And/or

• the change to the constitution will enable Aboriginal people to take half ‘our’ land

Trying to argue against these views, and explaining why the above will not happen, fell on deaf ears. It was impossible to get through.

This is why the no vote will win. It’s campaign targets the fears of people who hate change and are easily scared.

My acquaintances are also pissed off about the cost of living, and see this referendum as a way to protest. Not relevant, but since when has relevance influenced Australian voting.

 

[sr36]

Ok, if we’re comfortable that the voice is just an advisory group and not going to cause constitutional *-ups, the next question is; does it go far enough?

Are we screwing the indigenous community by paying lip service to their needs by rehashing a consultative body with no power? Is this going to be an impediment to real change?

It sets a floor that there must be some form of consultation. It doesn't set a ceiling regarding how much autonomy and decision making the Government of the Day can hand over to Aboriginal Australia.

Along the lines of your question, Lidia Thorpe and the Blak Sovereign Movement are anti the voice as they feel it hands over sovereignty to the Australian Government - sovereignty that they argue is still in the hands of Indigenous Australia as it hasn't been ceded in a treaty or a surrender. Also because the voice is powerless.

 

[Kirby]

That's scary. The voice which is clearly being proposed to advocate for the interests of Aboriginal Australia might actually advocate for the interests of Aboriginal Australia. We can't succumb to having a terrifying mob of powerless advocates talking to the government.

It’s unreal isn’t it?

Who’d have thought?

 

[JB1975]

Since the 1980s, many people have indeed worked hard to put Indigenous people, experience and culture at the centre of our national life.

Given the myriad forms of silence of violence which preceded these efforts over two centuries, the revision was overdue.

There's no going back to a 'pristine' and Eurocentric vision of Australia, but this referendum is the first time that people have had a chance to vote on an Indigenous issue since our understanding of this country has been upended. It was always going to used by reactionary and/or racist types to 'push back'.

It's just a sign that no matter how far we think we've come, the work of reconciling Australia to the past and its implications has a very long way to go.

 

[Maggie5]

Ok, if we’re comfortable that the voice is just an advisory group and not going to cause constitutional *-ups, the next question is; does it go far enough?

Are we screwing the indigenous community by paying lip service to their needs by rehashing a consultative body with no power? Is this going to be an impediment to real change?

Your second paragraph is a good question. I think it will and is a good starting point which will have difficulty in passing.

If this doesn't get across, nothing ever will. In terms of those of us that will not be affected I can't believe the NO campaign.

Did you actually? Why? This random YouTuber is in a place to question academia & history because...?

You’re better than engaging with these bad-faith actors TRS. This fringe dickhead used the term “Aboriginal Industrial Complex”, completely seriously - informative?

We have a once in a generation opportunity to do meaningful good for one of the most marginalised groups on the planet. I reckon seizing it, rather than aligning with bedfellows such as those arguing against it, is a pretty obvious choice.

It’s been a downward spiral since that racist campaigner Howard was elected. Voting this down will continue to perpetuate that

Finding it informative doesn't necessarily mean agreement, although I must admit I didn't waste any time watching it after I researched who he was.... .

 

[JB1975]

Did you actually? Why? This random YouTuber is in a place to question academia & history because...?

You’re better than engaging with these bad-faith actors TRS. This fringe dickhead used the term “Aboriginal Industrial Complex”, completely seriously - informative?

We have a once in a generation opportunity to do meaningful good for one of the most marginalised groups on the planet. I reckon seizing it, rather than aligning with bedfellows such as those arguing against it, is a pretty obvious choice.

It’s been a downward spiral since that racist campaigner Howard was elected. Voting this down will continue to perpetuate that

I'm not sure if TRS was serious.

 

[jmac70]

Since the 1980s, many people have indeed worked hard to put Indigenous people, experience and culture at the centre of our national life.

Given the myriad forms of silence of violence which preceded these efforts over two centuries, the revision was overdue.

There's no going back to a 'pristine' and Eurocentric vision of Australia, but this referendum is the first time that people have had a chance to vote on an Indigenous issue since our understanding of this country has been upended. It was always going to used by reactionary and/or racist types to 'push back'.

It's just a sign that no matter how far we think we've come, the work of reconciling Australia to the past and its implications has a very long way to go.

The work has been going on in schools for some time. Rest assured that the next generation will see this done, just won’t be for a while yet

 

[JB1975]

The work has been going on in schools for some time. Rest assured that the next generation will see this done, just won’t be for a while yet

That's the silver lining. So much important work has been done over the last 4 decades, and a No majority will be a kick in the guts, but it'll also be a wake-up call that so much more needs to be done.

Old attitudes die hard, but they will die.

 

[Maggie5]

The work has been going on in schools for some time. Rest assured that the next generation will see this done, just won’t be for a while yet

From what I have seen and heard, this photo pretty much represents the age group and background of the NO voters.
They won't be around forever.

 

[neilk]

If only Isaac Hayes was still alive.

We can get Taj Mahal.

 

[DinoSoar]

Keep the discussion on the reasonable, respectful and civilised side of the line. Some leeway has been allowed on this but it has now gone too far.

Departures from this will be whacked (on either side of the divide) so play nice.

Anzacday Maggie5 Jen2310 Gone Critical

 

[jmac70]

Always was, always will be.

 

[Gone Critical]

Further all of the discussion in question has been deleted, the poster in question looked for reaction and got so it has been removed, as has he. Please don't take this any further.

 

[Gone Critical]

Unfortunately there are a lot of old farts who will vote no.

A lot of us will vote yes also. Not sure the benefit of turning this into an age issue

 

[jmac70]

A lot of us will vote yes also. Not sure the benefit of turning this into an age issue

I’m an old fart too and will vote yes. Fact remains that the older generation in general are against it.

It’s going to be hard to pass because of the need for four out of six states with a majority. Think it’s more likely to fail unfortunately.

 

[Gone Critical]

I’m an old fart too and will vote yes. Fact remains that the older generation in general are against it.

It’s going to be hard to pass because of the need for four out of six states with a majority. Think it’s more likely to fail unfortunately.

Yeah but I think its just the way things work, old age brings conservatism and a desire for the status quo. Not sure whats to be gained by drawing a divide and us and them on age.

Always find it curious that the kids of the 60's who went counter culture and challenged the status quo are now the oldies and history repeats. For all that, those kids bought about a lot of change for the good as did the older "silent generation" and the ones before them, who at that time held the reigns of power. Positive change just needs to continue to evolve.

 

[Vicky Park]

Yeah but I think its just the way things work, old age brings conservatism and a desire for the status quo. Not sure whats to be gained by drawing a divide and us and them on age.

Always find it curious that the kids of the 60's who went counter culture and challenged the status quo are now the oldies and history repeats. For all that, those kids bought about a lot of change for the good as did the older "silent generation" and the ones before them, who at that time held the reigns of power. Positive change just needs to continue to evolve.

You’re being very balanced. As one of the oldies under discussion, I’m fearful the country won’t achieve much change until the dinosaurs die out. That includes me, although voting yes.

 

[windchimes]

Yeah but I think its just the way things work, old age brings conservatism and a desire for the status quo. Not sure whats to be gained by drawing a divide and us and them on age.

Always find it curious that the kids of the 60's who went counter culture and challenged the status quo are now the oldies and history repeats. For all that, those kids bought about a lot of change for the good as did the older "silent generation" and the ones before them, who at that time held the reigns of power. Positive change just needs to continue to evolve.

That was actually the gist of my original post on the subject - I was more just affirming from personal experience that under 30's (myself included) are likely to be voting heavily in favour of the yes side of this particular issue, at this particular moment in time.

Never intended for it to be divisive or and taken as an us and them thing, my apologies.

 

[Gone Critical]

You’re being very balanced. As one of the oldies under discussion, I’m fearful the country won’t achieve much change until the dinosaurs die out. That includes me, although voting yes.

Really. We have lived through more momentous change that any generation that's gone before us. The world view is eons different from what it was when we grew up. The possibilities are so different, not all better.

I think rather than being so polarised we need to try and step into each others shoes a bit.

I listen to my partners views sometimes and go wow. She has strong views. Sicilian/Napolitano mix so what do you expect. When she talks of growing up in Australia and being told by her parents not to worry about the taunts, fit in and work hard. That was their mantra. I understand why she sees the world a bit differently to I.

With the old young argument, which I think has got pretty toxic, neither side wants to understand the other. If the current old dinosaurs die off the next generation will have their own dinosaurs to replace ours. Biblical is out of fashion but "let he (should be they I guess) who has not sinned caste the first stone" has a lot of merit

 

[jmac70]

Really. We have lived through more momentous change that any generation that's gone before us. The world view is eons different from what it was when we grew up. The possibilities are so different, not all better.

I think rather than being so polarised we need to try and step into each others shoes a bit.

I listen to my partners views sometimes and go wow. She has strong views. Sicilian/Napolitano mix so what do you expect. When she talks of growing up in Australia and being told by her parents not to worry about the taunts, fit in and work hard. That was their mantra. I understand why she sees the world a bit differently to I.

With the old young argument, which I think has got pretty toxic, neither side wants to understand the other. If the current old dinosaurs die off the next generation will have their own dinosaurs to replace ours. Biblical is out of fashion but "let he (should be they I guess) who has not sinned caste the first stone" has a lot of merit

I love a good bible quote but the Aboriginal people did pretty well without Jesus.

In fact, his religion caused them a lot of grief.

I think what we have here, and always have had, is a refusal to value Aboriginal history.

50,000 years + is just too much for some to fathom, so they deny it.

 

[JuniorB]

The work has been going on in schools for some time. Rest assured that the next generation will see this done, just won’t be for a while yet

My son's primary school emphasises learning about indigenous culture and the kids try their hands at indigenous style art with impressive results. It certainly helps lay the groundwork for future progress.
We've thankfully moved on from Alan McAllister's "As long as they conduct themselves like white people" gaffe, which exemplified the unconscious racism & sense of superiority prevalent in the recent past, but there is still a long way to go.