Resource COVID19 V - The Info Thread

[Goroyals22]

You’ve inferred quite a lot from a one line reply as to the fear level of Mcgowan media appearances. Congrats.

And true to form its well if NSW do this and end quarantine we will just shut the border for longer and stilff if u are from Wa and return through NSW you aren’t coming back…
Oh and the monthly my family is in nsw blah blah he uses when he has little else..


What a leader for these times

 

[Keys]

This is something you’d expect to see a 12 year old post. Not a state premier



To be clear the tweet itself is fine but the attachment is pathetic

 

[Dazzler9]

This is something you’d expect to see a 12 year old post. Not a state premier



To be clear the tweet itself is fine but the attachment is pathetic

In isolation it looks pathetic. One wonders the flak she might've copped from others that prompted that response. But even so, comes across childish.

 

[amazingjoshy]

This is something you’d expect to see a 12 year old post. Not a state premier



To be clear the tweet itself is fine but the attachment is pathetic

All our leaders are simply embarrassing themselves. Pathetic

 

[kempy]

And true to form its well if NSW do this and end quarantine we will just shut the border for longer and stilff if u are from Wa and return through NSW you aren’t coming back…
Oh and the monthly my family is in nsw blah blah he uses when he has little else..


What a leader for these times

He sure is a leader for our times. Thanks to him we have been really unaffected by the virus that had decimated NSW and VIC. I am more than happy to know that I can go about a normal life here and have been for most of the last 2 years. I have a sister in London who would give anything to have been in our situation.
Opening up after vax rates reach 80-90% is no guarantee that Delta is beaten. Some unfortunate people will die even if they are vaccinated. Getting vaccinated will massively improve your chances of survival if you contract it but it’s still a risk. Opening up is going to be an interesting time, especially for those morons staying unvaccinated.
Onya, Mark.


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[Goroyals22]

In isolation it looks pathetic. One wonders the flak she might've copped from others that prompted that response. But even so, comes across childish.

She is just a lightweight who needed to take one last shot across the bows of those from nsw. This is her response to what NSW wanted to do this morning…

This is why I think Australia has changed and wont ever return to what it was…

 

[Rowan18]

He sure is a leader for our times. Thanks to him we have been really unaffected by the virus that had decimated NSW and VIC. I am more than happy to know that I can go about a normal life here and have been for most of the last 2 years. I have a sister in London who would give anything to have been in our situation.
Opening up after vax rates reach 80-90% is no guarantee that Delta is beaten. Some unfortunate people will die even if they are vaccinated. Getting vaccinated will massively improve your chances of survival if you contract it but it’s still a risk. Opening up is going to be an interesting time, especially for those morons staying unvaccinated.
Onya, Mark.


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How cn you possibly think that Mark personally has saved us? We had multiple lockdowns this year from hotel quarantine failures from known risks that the Government was advised of but chose to ignore. They were told to stop using one hotel (was it the Mecure?) a month before the lockdown but ignored it.

We have had dumb blind luck. There have been at least three major cases this year that were circulating in the community that somehow didn't lead to multiple infections. One was a Delta case at the start of the NSW outbreak (that Lady that had been in Bondi). I don't know how we dodged it but I suspect our relatively low density living in Perth saved us.

Meanwhile, there is precious little being done to solve our staffing issues in hospitals to prepare us for the surge of cases when we have to live with COVID. The only reason we can't open up when we hit 80% vaccinated is the Government knows our fragile hospital system will break and there will be unnecessary deaths.

Prepare yourself for a wave of discontent early next year when the rest of the country is getting on with life but poor WA is stuck trying to hit 95% vacced or something, because we've squandered two years by not preparing. When we do open up, I expect several snap lockdowns along the way as the Government panics with cases rising and our hospital system breaking.

Then again, maybe super hero Mark will make it all better.

 

[EagleEgo]

At this stage, the goals are quite clear for most states including WA - Zero Covid, Zero Covid Death, Public Health and Safety is number 1 prioity. Plans/strategies and efforts are built to achieve the goals. There might be some errors in execution but most states corrected the problem quickly. Overall speaking, most state govts have tried their best and the results have been satisfactory to the majority fellow citizens.

However, the goal for NSW is not clear, so far the NSW has mentioned about living with the virus at 70%-80% vaccination, then stop the lockdown etc etc. These are not goals! What exactly NSW want to achieve is not clear. You and I can guess but has never been released by the NSW government. This is dangerous because what NSW govt is doing can kill many people. This is evident in the UK and in the US.

Australia is an island country and geographically is very good in maintaining a healthy environment by not introducing virus like this to Australia. Anyone who have been overseas before knows that Australia is known to have the most stringent quarrantine rule implemented at the border. It is lazy for the NSW govt to promote living with virus. It is just blindly copying UK and US without a clear goal.

If NSW‘s hidden goal was money and employment (I just assume with the IF), it is unforgivable to sacrifice many lives for money. There are many alternatives available to improve their state financial situation. One way is to introduce (or bring back) the manufacturing business to NSW. If Australia is free of the Covid virus, we can live freely and healthily without loss in employment (of course govts have to be creative in their state business development)

At war with Covid virus in a pandemic/crisis like this is very similar to flighting enemies in the world wars. We control our border (though still allowing people to come in and get out) and we dont let the enemies in (in this case is the virus). Achieving this, we all live freely within Australia and we dont have to live with the enemy (virus).

Any govt seen as giving up public health and safety as #1 priority will not last long.

 

[kempy]

How cn you possibly think that Mark personally has saved us? We had multiple lockdowns this year from hotel quarantine failures from known risks that the Government was advised of but chose to ignore. They were told to stop using one hotel (was it the Mecure?) a month before the lockdown but ignored it.

We have had dumb blind luck. There have been at least three major cases this year that were circulating in the community that somehow didn't lead to multiple infections. One was a Delta case at the start of the NSW outbreak (that Lady that had been in Bondi). I don't know how we dodged it but I suspect our relatively low density living in Perth saved us.

Meanwhile, there is precious little being done to solve our staffing issues in hospitals to prepare us for the surge of cases when we have to live with COVID. The only reason we can't open up when we hit 80% vaccinated is the Government knows our fragile hospital system will break and there will be unnecessary deaths.

Prepare yourself for a wave of discontent early next year when the rest of the country is getting on with life but poor WA is stuck trying to hit 95% vacced or something, because we've squandered two years by not preparing. When we do open up, I expect several snap lockdowns along the way as the Government panics with cases rising and our hospital system breaking.

Then again, maybe super hero Mark will make it all better.

Garbage. I can smell Liberals at a thousand kms. 81 % approval rate getting to you?


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[Goroyals22]

Garbage. I can smell Liberals at a thousand kms. 81 % approval rate getting to you?


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81% of how many again… 600 odd done by a alp polling company…
Using that logic the 2000 who attended the protest in perth today is 100% proof that West Australians think mcgowans a fraud and the border should be down immediately .


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[Dazzler9]

81% of how many again… 600 odd done by a alp polling company…
Using that logic the 2000 who attended the protest in perth today is 100% proof that West Australians think mcgowans a fraud and the border should be down immediately .


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I don't think anyone need worry about polling numbers. The election earlier this year is all anyone needs for an indication of McGowan's approval rating.

 

[Forward Press]

81% of how many again… 600 odd done by a alp polling company…
Using that logic the 2000 who attended the protest in perth today is 100% proof that West Australians think mcgowans a fraud and the border should be down immediately .


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How about the 69% two party preferred vote for the ALP at the last State election?

 

[Rowan18]

Garbage. I can smell Liberals at a thousand kms. 81 % approval rate getting to you?


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Politics is not football. As far as I'm concerned, both parties are two sides of the same coin. You're a fool if you don't critique your government for their failures. That's where a lot of my frustration around McGowan comes from, too many people treating him as a superhero and overlooking a lot of serious failures his government is letting slide by. Our hospital system is ****ed and it will lead to unnecessary deaths once we open up.

The Federal Government has made a lot of mistakes too, but people seem much more ready to discuss them and hold them to account. I don't know why the State Government is given such a free pass.

 

[Forward Press]

Politics is not football. As far as I'm concerned, both parties are two sides of the same coin. You're a fool if you don't critique your government for their failures. That's where a lot of my frustration around McGowan comes from, too many people treating him as a superhero and overlooking a lot of serious failures his government is letting slide by. Our hospital system is f’ed and it will lead to unnecessary deaths once we open up.

The Federal Government has made a lot of mistakes too, but people seem much more ready to discuss them and hold them to account. I don't know why the State Government is given such a free pass.

Of the top five articles about WA today on abc.net.au, three are critical of McGowan:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10...or-mark-mcgowan-on-route-to-freedom/100539264 (missteps on the reopening phase for WA that could doom McGowan)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/wa-covid-protest-perth-forrest-place-anti-vaccines/100545066 (controversial vaccine mandate)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/wa-icu-bed-count-lowest-in-nation-medical-report/100545198 (WA's ICU bed shortage)

I don't think your claim that the WA government is getting a 'free pass' is warranted. Besides, they have credits in the bank with the voting population due to their unquestionably exceptional handling of the COVID pandemic. In the end, the ballot box is the ultimate indicator of voter satisfaction.

 

[ep2018]

How about the 69% two party preferred vote for the ALP at the last State election?

Was a one off. Will never happen again imo.

 

[Forward Press]

Was a one off. Will never happen again imo.

Yep - and why is that? Maybe, just maybe, the huge majority of voters in WA approved of his handling of COVID, from border closures to lockdowns to resistance to Federal government pressure to scapegoating Clive Palmer...

 

[ep2018]

Yep - and why is that? Maybe, just maybe, the huge majority of voters in WA approved of his handling of COVID, from border closures to lockdowns to resistance to Federal government pressure to scapegoating Clive Palmer...

The election was treated as a referendum on his handling and the result spoke for itself.

 

[Goroyals22]

The election was treated as a referendum on his handling and the result spoke for itself.

And the next one( unless he will be locking down until then and you wouldn’t put it past him) will be a referendum on how well he has handled the health system because its not going to take much to show how much of a crappy job he has done preparing for whats coming

 

[Forward Press]

And the next one( unless he will be locking down until then and you wouldn’t put it past him) will be a referendum on how well he has handled the health system because its not going to take much to show how much of a crappy job he has done preparing for whats coming

Ambulance ramping or lack of ICU beds isn't as big an issue as you think it is. Unless the health care system results in dozens of avoidable deaths in the next 3 years, average voters will care more about economic management and law and order. No one will remember code yellows at Fiona Stanley this year in 2025 except for grudge-holders like you, and you were never voting Labor anyway.

Colin Barnett got done over by an Opposition that successfully portrayed him as being out of touch and squandering the mining boom, not by his government's systemic privatisation and rationalisation of the health care system.

 

[kane249]

AFL has its first test case on vaccine refusal.

Adelaide AFLW player Deni Varnhagen is refusing the jab.

Victoria is requiring all players to get their first jab by Friday, SA doesn't have that same mandate currently.

However Varnhagen is a nurse, and all health care workers are required to have their first jab by November 1st in SA.

 

[Dazzler9]

AFL has its first test case on vaccine refusal.

Adelaide AFLW player Deni Varnhagen is refusing the jab.

Victoria is requiring all players to get their first jab by Friday, SA doesn't have that same mandate currently.

However Varnhagen is a nurse, and all health care workers are required to have their first jab by November 1st in SA.

I don't get these nurses refusing to get vaccinated, I really don't.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Dawson slams 300,000 West Australians who are in no rush to get vaccinated

WA police commissioner Chris Dawson, who is in charge of the vaccine rollout, said he was confident the state would easily reach an 80 per cent vaccination rate but the final 20 per cent were proving trickier to convince.

www.watoday.com.au

 

[Dazzler9]

Dawson slams 300,000 West Australians who are in no rush to get vaccinated

WA police commissioner Chris Dawson, who is in charge of the vaccine rollout, said he was confident the state would easily reach an 80 per cent vaccination rate but the final 20 per cent were proving trickier to convince.

www.watoday.com.au

and speaking of nurses -


Mr Dawson’s comments echoed Health Minister Roger Cook’s who criticised nurses who attended the ‘freedom day’ rally in Perth on Saturday.
“I just quite simply do not understand how you can dedicate your life to medical science, but on this issue choose to step away from that science and adopt strange, weird sort of attitudes towards the COVID-19 vaccine,” he said.

“I don’t understand how you can, on the one hand, inject your patients, day in day out with different medications that we know are safe but when it comes to COVID-19, decide that all those protocols which decide those drugs are safe are no longer relevant.”

 

[Chris_6678]

Ah the ironic nature of those people working in the medical profession irritate me to no end.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Meanwhile, there is precious little being done to solve our staffing issues in hospitals

It's been less than two years since covid arrived in Australia. Closer to 1.5 years.

That's not enough time to train new doctors or nurses in great numbers (unless we lower standards...), nor has it been possible to import trained doctors and nurses because a) borders are closed and b) they're kinda needed where they are anyway as most places have been hit far harder than we have.

And despite that, the number of doctors and nurses has in fact increased in WA hospitals.