WSYD Crackers says Port Melbourne would beat GWS and Gold Coast

[BLPC08]

There is no chance a bunch of part-time footballers playing in the VFL would get anywhere near an AFL team full of Pro's - even though they're kids, the eat, sleep and breath footy. Port Melbourne's players work during the week and play footy on the weekend for fun.

 

[frednirk]

Port melbourne should be elevatd to the afl.

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

I'm sure Kentucky could as well.

 

[yaco55]

Port Melb from last year (undefeated all year), almost certainly.

But they've had a fair bit of player turnover over the off season. Still, as a top VFL team, they beat most AFL 'seconds', and thats about the standard of GC/GWS, so he's still probably right.

Good post.

Port had an awesome team in 2011.

Unsure about 2012.

 

[lamaros]

GC have a midfield of ablett swallow riscatelli. They would smash any vfl side to pieces. I don't care how little you rate GC, there is no way any vfl side would beat them 'easily'. Guys like bock, harbrow, Brennan, etc are all a clear level up, as are a large number of the kids.

 

[Righteo]

GC have a midfield of ablett swallow riscatelli. They would smash any vfl side to pieces. I don't care how little you rate GC, there is no way any vfl side would beat them 'easily'. Guys like bock, harbrow, Brennan, etc are all a clear level up, as are a large number of the kids.

Pretty much, I'm sure even guys like Fraser probably dominated when they played VFL, it is harder to make a case for GWS though but I think they could still scrape through.

This cracker certainly knows how to get publicity though.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Crackers would probably be right. Port of last year would likely give this year's Demons a fright (and possibly a beating) also.

There are some mighty ordinary teams going round at the moment I am afraid.

 

[Rob]

Pretty easy to make claims that you know have no chance of being tested.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

There is no chance a bunch of part-time footballers playing in the VFL would get anywhere near an AFL team full of Pro's - even though they're kids, the eat, sleep and breath footy. Port Melbourne's players work during the week and play footy on the weekend for fun.

No offence mate but that is a fantasy land comment, not only would they win they would win comfortably.

there is over 200 players who are on AFL lists who are on lists because of possible potential??? the AFL is supposed to be the best of the best.

GWS or the Gold Coast would not finish top 2 in any of the WAFL/SANFL or VFL.

They can have as many sessions each week as they like, they can do their yoga, they can take pilates, they can do as many political corrct courses until the cows come home but at the end of the day in a best of the best comp they will get belted because they are either not ready or they are not good enough.

There is an enormous amount of players in the WAFL/SANFL and VFL that could walk in and fill a role at any AFL club in their best 22 but because of age are not given the chance.

You are kidding yourself if you think that GWS or Gold Coast could compete with a seasoned 2nd tier strong club.

I can't talk for the VFL or the SANFL but Claremont would smash both the suns and GWS and you could play the game anywhere you like.

It is an embarresment to the league that these clubs are evn in the AFL.

 

[serenityNow]

GWS remind me of the Jacana Football Club.

 

[tropicaltiger]

Gold coast 22.12.144
port melb 5.16.46

gws 16.12.108
port melb 10.16.76

 

[skearney]

No way, GWS are going to win the flag next year.

 

[bulletproof]

Geelong's VFL side would beat GWS or Gold Coast and so would other teams in the SANFL or WAFL.
As someone said about Port all these teams have players that are battle hardened players with muscle and experience.
Recruiting at both teams has been off in my opinion I agree with Paul Roos they should have recruited more 22-26 year old players.

Nonsense, the Geelong senior team Trailed the Gold Coast at half time last year.

 

[onslaught]

If it was last year's Port side, I would have backed the Borough gainst the current GWS side, I'd back Port no problem.

This year with a depleted ruck dept. It would make things much tougher. I'd rate Port a huge chance on a smaller ground like Port where our stronger onballers would have most effect, but GWS might be too quick for us on a larger ground if they get first use of the ball. I'd love to see it!

We've won 24 on the trot, so we're bound to lose soon!

 

[mcgarnacle]

Right now, youthfulness is concentrated in two new clubs. GWS in particular looks like an under-age team, with a few dads playing to help out. Both GWS and Gold Coast appear hopelessly uncompetitive, and the AFL looks like a competition that has expanded too far, too quickly, spreading the talent unevenly and diluting it overall.

Of necessity, a new type of recruit is emerging: older, hardier, not necessarily flash, but capable, broken-in, able to find his way around a senior football ground. Geelong's James Podsiadly and Fremantle's Michael Barlow made instant impacts. James Magner came from Sandringham to become almost Melbourne's best player overnight. Call it football's third way. But it makes you wonder if we have all been kidded all this time.

Read more: here

pretty much sums it up, particularly the uneven spread of kids/talent. isn't this what mechanisms such as the draft are supposed to avoid?

if the AFL were fair dinkum about on-field competition equalisation, the process it would have followed for expansion club recruitment would've been via an expansion draft, i.e, building the teams from players from the established 16 clubs who satisfy criteria. instead, it's encouraged a skewed distribution of player to clubs which will last at least a decade.

 

[IanW]

By giving GWS the first rights to any free agents, the AFL did an expansion draft.

Like an expansion draft, the other clubs ensured the good players dont get there.

As to an exopansion draft, Sydney, for example, would have resigned Bevan to put him on the expansion list ... then medical'd him out to bring a kid up from the rookie list.

GWS will take their beatings this year, thank you - and we'll do it to find the eight or so players to core a list around. Cameron and Bugg are already arguing they are two of them, and the more mature age spuds we took to try and get us to five wins or so, the fewer chances we have to see if we can find a diamond in the rough.

 

[ioppolo]

Half the WAFL sides would give GC & GWS a run for their money.

 

[Deddy]

Credit to Poort.

Last year they were a complete and utter rabble. Embarrassing to say the least.

This year they have been competitive in their games so far. Hope they can keep it up.

 

[mcgarnacle]

By giving GWS the first rights to any free agents, the AFL did an expansion draft.

Like an expansion draft, the other clubs ensured the good players dont get there.

you've just stated what type of recruiting system it was. having the capacity to offer, negotiate, and sign up to 16 uncontracted players, or free agents, was an exclusive GWS & GC free agency setup, not an expansion draft. the player retained the control of right for his services. that's not a draft.

besides, Scully, Ward, Davis? GWS & GC free agency wasn't intended for them to recruit kids that are still developing. The AFL ****ed up again there.

in an expansion draft, the existing 16 clubs each would have put forward several players for the expansion clubs to select. if a player was selected, their rights transferred to the Suns or Giants.

As to an exopansion draft, Sydney, for example, would have resigned Bevan to put him on the expansion list ... then medical'd him out to bring a kid up from the rookie list.

so was it an expansion draft or not? you appear to be confused.

players put forward by the 16 clubs to be available for selection would be required to satisfy criteria as to years in the AFL system/minimum games played (career & in the most recent season)/medical clearance/cut-off age/etc to ensure the existing clubs didn't flood the draft predominantly with with discards. The main priority should have been to enable the expansion clubs to build competitive initial lists of AFL-standard players, not a high school team and a dad's army coming out of retirement.

We know what the AFL are doing. GC & GWS to build a list with 'potentially' the best crop of youngsters entering the league with a eye on them 'potentially' becoming extremely competitive in 5 years time, and 'potentially' win a premiership.

What about the skew in the standard of players across the league which will last the decade. the concept of the draft and each club selecting a player in turn is supposed to avoid such a thing from occurring.

What effect does that have on the competition now? They are development lists, not elite league lists.

GWS will take their beatings this year, thank you - and we'll do it to find the eight or so players to core a list around. Cameron and Bugg are already arguing they are two of them, and the more mature age spuds we took to try and get us to five wins or so, the fewer chances we have to see if we can find a diamond in the rough.

the beatings will not be confined to this year. they will cop it for several years with no guarantee that their list will reach it's potential. in the meantime, the promotion of the club and the game in western sydney & on the gold coast will be hamstrung by an under-performing team. the only thing sports followers in these markets understand from both the GC & GWS scenario is that both clubs teams are getting flogged consistently. As was the case with the Swans, the stands will be empty. The Swans came good on-field and off-field with an injection of experience from players such as Roos, Plugger, Dyson, Maxfield, etc, not merely with kids.

 

[Hank93]

I think the the very best VFL/WAFL/SANFL teams would beat GWS, but I'm not sure they would beat Gold Coast.

Gold Coast have some damn good players, Ablett, Bock, Rischettli, Brennan, Brown, Swallow, McKenzie, Smith are all well above state league level IMO.

Gary Ablett alone would make it a very difficult task for a state league team to beat the Suns.

The Suns have one of the best state league players from '11 in Kyle Horsely and he can't even get upgraded to the senior list.

 

[estibador]

Essendon are undefeated yet GC gave them a hell of a scare tonight. A VFL team wouldn't easily beat them.

People always overrate lower tier teams.

 

[Dangas]

Essendon are undefeated yet GC gave them a hell of a scare tonight. A VFL team wouldn't easily beat them.

People always overrate lower tier teams.

...but any lower tier team can beat the bombers

 

[DivideandMultiply]

No offence mate but that is a fantasy land comment, not only would they win they would win comfortably.

Port simply could not win.

Their midfield would get smashed to pieces, no ifs no buts, period.

The kind of dominance GC would inflict in the middle would make it impossible for Port.

As for Claremont, no chance. A strong WC outfit that finished top 4 was solidly challenged by GC last year.

Claremont much like East Freo relies on a fair few fringe WC players to be so competitive. If they can provide solid competition on a good day to an Essendon (this year) or a WC they would annihilate Claremont.

 

[Hank93]

I think Gold Coast proved tonight that they would not lose to any state league team in the country. Gary Ablett on his own would beat Port Melbourne.

 

[TheSunGod]

I think it's safe to say Crackers is indeed Crackers.