I don't get why we would ask who they want it is Adelaide we are dealing with they will ask for Dusty or Cotch. Just tell them who they can choose from.
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I don't get why we would ask who they want it is Adelaide we are dealing with they will ask for Dusty or Cotch. Just tell them who they can choose from.
Didnt he say the other day Graham was a required player? Or was he playing possum in case we dont get Maric?
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So Maric if gained has been given the knowledge he'll start in our best 22 and that Graham is shagged .
Fantastic isn't it , we go into a season with a bloke contracted knowing that despite his past involvement with the club and despite his intentions or efforts over pre season he will start behind a bloke who has no history with the club .
I'm not silly enough to suggest Graham is a gun number one ruckman , but why is it we are drafting opposing sides players and assuring them games ?
The same thing happened last season with Grigg and Houli and yes Houli had done good games , but so did McMahon when he first joined the club as a rebounding defender .
All for bettering our list but this ongoing gifting of games to new comers is becoming a bit ridiculous !
IMO all players joining the club should be told they will be giving equal opportunity gauranteeing games is bullshit !
Fantastic isn't it , we go into a season with a bloke contracted knowing that despite his past involvement with the club and despite his intentions or efforts over pre season he will start behind a bloke who has no history with the club .
I'm not silly enough to suggest Graham is a gun number one ruckman , but why is it we are drafting opposing sides players and assuring them games ?
The same thing happened last season with Grigg and Houli and yes Houli had done good games , but so did McMahon when he first joined the club as a rebounding defender .
All for bettering our list but this ongoing gifting of games to new comers is becoming a bit ridiculous !
IMO all players joining the club should be told they will be giving equal opportunity gauranteeing games is bullshit !
Agreed
Did someone say Shane Tuck ???
Quote could be taken out of context but yeah ... spots have to earned .
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Cameron indicated that unless Graham turned his attitude around he would be in trouble, this ties in with the rumours that have been floating around that Graham is simply happy to have a spot on the list.
i think the theory is like sydneys. trade for players that will be in the best 22 not just for depth. tell/convince the players their future lies with us. imo im all for this as it means you trade for better players in the 22. also on sen they had on tommy wren from sa and they asked him about maric and he said the bloke had huge upside, he only played 6 games last year but 20 in 2010 and he gives an absolute contest, good around the ground, skills ok and can take a grab and would be a great pickup for us for what its worth.
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I think you maybe looking at this with a short sight.
What Richmond are trying to do, is play guys for a good number of games, and give them the chance to develop at AFL level and mould into team structures, if it doesn't work out - that's when games are no longer guaranteed. It's an incredible incentive for a player who is struggling to crack into the best 22 at another club (ie Houli @ Essendon), to be given the opportunity to earn his spot at AFL level for a good couple of months without the fear of getting dropped by mistakes. They can play with a relaxed head.
If Maric isn't working out within 12 rounds, I'm certain Graham will be given the nod (and Graham will be given those 12 rounds to improve), and both guys will be fighting for that spot.
Connors is that guy who was given a chance, he hasn't gotten any better, so that spot was put for contention with Houli and he took it off Connors. Connors can earn it back, or can give up...that's fine to me, a player needs time to find his spot, Maric gets that chance with us, that's what I like.
Not sure where you've got them rumours from RT , my sources have told me that he is well liked amongst the playing and like Dusty tired badly this season .
He has added quite alot of bulk in the past two years , I suspect to the detriment of his aerobic fitness and has gone it pretty much alone this season when playing , due to the reluctance to play Vickery within the ruck .
Either way this isn't the point/issue, the issue is gifting opposing players games whilst talking to them about joining the club .
This is the exact same flaw Miller and TW fell into !
I read the ninemsn article to say they wanted players and not Pick 37
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8359838
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http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8359838
Richmond's initial offer of their second round national draft pick, No.37 overall, has not satisfied Adelaide.
But Tigers general manager of football Craig Cameron said the Crows were open to a swap of players instead.
"They would consider a player, but we've asked them to tell us, if they do, who that player would be, basically," Cameron told Melbourne's 3AW radio on Thursday night.
"They know the players we've spoken about during trade week, but we've asked them to go away and come back and tell us exactly what they want."
But Tigers general manager of football Craig Cameron said the Crows were open to a swap of players instead.
"They would consider a player, but we've asked them to tell us, if they do, who that player would be, basically," Cameron told Melbourne's 3AW radio on Thursday night.
"They know the players we've spoken about during trade week, but we've asked them to go away and come back and tell us exactly what they want."
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I'm confused ?!?!
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If the recruit is better than the one we've got, it's not really gifting games.
Houli was drafted with the promise he would be given a game as a goal kicking midfielder , he was tried there for the first part of 2011 and on form to that staged to warrant a game , others upon the list at that stage have been dropped , instead he was given a reprieve to the cushy role as a half back flanker .
I'm certainly not dirty on Houli being given opportunities, I'm dirty on the fact others at the club haven't been offered the same assurance and that these players are basically gifted games from the outset, when they arrive IMO the club owes them nothing !
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not sure why the **** we have a bloke on the radio talking up the player we are trying to trade for (best 22 etc.) whilst talking down a bloke we might hope to trade away ?
Is this some sort of reverse psychology technique or what?
Is this some sort of reverse psychology technique or what?
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CC might be putting some heat Graham's way as he said on Trade week radio that 2 clubs had inquired about Angus - so maybe Cameron is letting Angus know that if we get Maric then he is playing at Coburg and if he wants to play seniors then his manager might have to chase up those clubs that have asked about him.
The problem is when players are traded in I think the club almost feels they have to play them to justify their decision for recruiting them.
The problem is when players are traded in I think the club almost feels they have to play them to justify their decision for recruiting them.
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Yeah I understand that, I guess we'll have to see how it all works out, clearly our coaching staff is frustrated with Graham's aggression, they basically think he is soft as butter. I only speculate because nothing really separates Graham from Maric other than physical presence on field.
Maric is very aggressive, so they've scouted a big man with a strong presence to work with us, next year will be very interesting.
Overall I'm surprised with trade week, I was expecting us to get involved more, but we're trying to secure 2/3 deals, rather than be a Melbourne, Hawthorn, Adelaide, GWS and try to get involved in everything.
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In his speech at the b&f, houli said he was told he would be playing in the midfield but had to go back because of need.
I agree with you that promising games can be dangerous, but is there any possibilty at all that if anyone is promised a game, it is on the proviso they follow these 20 team rules and their work rate is up to scratch?
Did cameron say best 22 or starting 22, anyway?
I read an article, i think on the crows site, that talked about marics attitude when he went back to the SANF. I dont think being a bludger is a valid critisim of him.
Yea will be interesting how this all ends up in 2-3 years, good thing is with Maric added to the list both he and Graham can provide cover for each other should either of them tire during the year.
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Exactly what i was thinking. Even if he was trying to give assurance to Maric, he should be doing it through his manager. I can't think of any situation / possibility that what he (CC) is doing is right. Maybe we will find out shortly....
Don't know where "he's in our best 22" turns into promise of games. I didn't see the quote last year either that Houli would be guaranteed games. The concept's bs. There's about 30 of them in our best 22...when they deserve it.
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just curious i thought we were going to be pretty heavily involved in trade week. so far seems like we have been working on getting maric to the club, and it has taken all of 4 days to simply end up at square one it seems.
will we be getting more involved in the next few days and is this maric deal holding the rest of our trading up? whats the deal.
will we be getting more involved in the next few days and is this maric deal holding the rest of our trading up? whats the deal.
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how can you guys be criticizing CC for saying maric will be in our best 22? why would we recruit someone of his age that wouldnt be in the best 22?
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