The pitch was very flat on day 3 until day 4 which was why the draw was favourite and us winning 2nd. Labuschagne played and miss as much as Jaiswal on day 5 as the ball was moving on day 4.
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I have some sympathy for India's argument about snicko. If it is going to give a reading saying its not been hit, but given out anyway, then why have it? It's plagued with issues. You've always had the question about whether readings are bat on ball, or are they other noises (bat on pad for example). Now you have contact which doesn't make a sound.
Hot spot was a lot better and conclusive.
If snicko can't be conclusive any way, then it adds no value and should be done away with all together.
Hot spot was a lot better and conclusive.
If snicko can't be conclusive any way, then it adds no value and should be done away with all together.
You lost me in that first sentence. Snicko has never been the word of god. It's just a tool in a basket of tools. You rely on the third umpire's intuition to use the correct tools. Of course something which is clearly visible to the naked eye should override something that is audio based.
The hilarious irony of Indian cricket complaining about this decision is that it actually came down to human interpretation of the rules, which is what they've been clamouring for. They get mad if you use the technology, they get mad if you don't use the technology. Maybe they just like getting mad.
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I have no sympathy.
This is a perfect case showing how the 3rd-ump decisions should be taken. Snicko, and hot-spot can never be conclusive. They are simply tools providing evidence to the ump to help him make a balanced decision. The ump noticed the obvious deviations and, while surprised by snicko, still used his eyes to override it and come to a correct decision. That's the way it should happen.
On the other hand, I was absolutely concerned about an earlier review of a bump-ball late in one of India's innings where it was competely clear to the eye that the ball went up immediately after hitting the bat, while the 3rd ump unbelievably declared that it bounced after hitting the bat and gave the Indian not out! Thankfully, this decision cost nothing, as he was out almost immediately.
It has value but only secondary which is why the 3rd umpire look at slow-mo vision first, there was conclusive evidence the ball deviated from the bat and then glove but he wanted to use another tool in his decision (arguably whether he needed to), RTS showed nothing so he went back to the slow-mo vision and correctly overturn the decision. Had Wilson been a semi competent umpire and gave that out on field, Jaiswal wouldn't have challenged as he knew he hit the ball and even if he did, the 3rd umpire would have upheld the out decision due to the conclusive evidence from the slow-mo vision and probably wouldn't even bother with RTS.
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FMD how bad are the Strikers.
And to rub salt into the wound having to listen to Justin Langer's monotonous drivel.
And to rub salt into the wound having to listen to Justin Langer's monotonous drivel.
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Re the MCG pitch apparently there's usually a ratio of 5:1 of plays and misses to edges across all venues
In this test for whatever reason at one stage was 75 plays and misses for 5 edges
In this test for whatever reason at one stage was 75 plays and misses for 5 edges
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Changes make perfect sense... but can't trust our selectors.
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Pressure coming on Indian selectors for Sydney...
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'Not acceptable': Indians demand axing of superstar
'The curtain is beginning to slide down'
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Had to laugh after reading about Marsh's current series form.Pressure coming on Indian selectors for Sydney...
'Not acceptable': Indians demand axing of superstar
'The curtain is beginning to slide down'
He isn't the WOAT after all...
"The 33-year-old is a dressing room favourite but on the field he's produced a paltry average of 10.42 and only one score in double digits. It is the second lowest average by an Aussie batter in a home Test series ever (with a minimum of seven innings) - only Kim Hughes (10.12 in 1984-85) has worse."
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Todays "TiserPressure coming on Indian selectors for Sydney...
'Not acceptable': Indians demand axing of superstar
'The curtain is beginning to slide down'
Mcdonald likes Mitch Harsh
AUSSIES SHAPE UP FOR TEST
traditionally flat Sydney wicket will shape Australia’s thinking at the selection table as Aussie coach Andrew McDonald insists that the struggling Mitch Marsh is fit to bowl despite barely being used for three consecutive Tests. McDonald was also optimistic that Mitchell Starc would be available to play in the fifth Test despite bowling through pain at the MCG but was similarly bullish that Jhye Richardson was ready for the rigours of a Test if called upon. The Aussies headed to Sydney on Tuesday riding high after their epic 184-run victory in a Melbourne classic left them on the verge of regaining the Border-Gavaskar Trophy following a barren decade. A draw in the fifth and final Test at the SCG, which begins on Friday, will be enough to secure the trophy, while an Australian win will lock away as pot in the World Test Championship final against South Africa at Lord’sin June. Despite their stirring fourth Test victory, the Aussies have two selection dilemmas heading to the New Year’s Test. Reigning Allan Border medalist Marsh is under scrutiny having barely fired a shot across four Tests. He is averaging 10.42 with the bat and 46.33with the ball for the series. He has bowled 16 wicketless overs across thepast three Tests after having sent down 17 in Perth.Marsh entered the second Test under an injury cloud but McDonald saidthe West Australian all-rounder was right to bowl and his relatively lightuse had been a tactical ploy.“There’s no concern and I think people have probably been reading toomuch into that,” McDonald said.“We haven’t required him with the ball as often as what we would havethought.“He bowled again (on day five). His speeds were up in the high 120s, thereare no injury concerns there.1/1/25, 1:43 PM The Advertiserhttps://todayspaper.adelaidenow.com.au/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&edid=89516fdf-5b9a-4d8e-8d0b-5a2d4526bf93 1/2“So I think to sort of head down that angle is a little bit unfair. We justhaven’t required him at certain times for whatever reason. So that’s morea tactical implementation, as opposed to a body.”McDonald conceded that Marsh’s output with the bat was suboptimal.“He’s in a good space,’’ he said. “Would he like better performances?There’s no doubt about that.”Starc laboured during stretches of the 41 overs he bowled at the MCG andthe left-armer received attention from team physio Nick Jones.McDonald said selectors would wait to see how Starc recovered from theMelbourne Test before a call was made.“We’ll see how the bodies are,’’ he said. “Clearly, Starcy’s carryingsomething of some description.“We’ll assess that but other than that it looks as though we got through.“But short turnaround, recovery is important, and we’ll assess what theteam looks like in Sydney based upon the surface, as we always do.“Any time you get through the game, it’s always a good indicator thatyou’re a chance at the next game.”The SCG wicket has earnt a reputation in recent years as the nation’sflattest Test pitch and McDonald acknowledged it was a consideration.He said while the Melbourne Test went into day five, low-workloadmatches in Adelaide and Brisbane meant Australia might not need a hugeinput from a fifth bowler in Sydney.“Across the entirety of the series, it’s been relatively light,” McDonaldsaid. “So does that mean you need a fifth bowler? I think you still need afifth bowler but are you going to put huge demand on the fifth bowler?Potentially not.”Tasmanian Beau Webster shapes as a replacement for Marsh, whileRichardson and Sean Abbott are the other quicks in the squad.1/1/25, 1:43 PM The Advertiserhttps://todayspaper.adelaidenow.com.au/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&edid=89516fdf-5b9a-4d8e-8d0b-5a2d4526bf93 2/
With 1 Test remaining in the series, it's impossible for him to regain his previous WOAT title at this time.
However, there it would appear there is scope for him to acquire a different WOAT title. An Australian WOAT title is poor compensation for him being unable to regain his World WOAT title, but it's still better than nothing for Marsh!
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The Marsh family have been a collective handbrake on the Australian team since the mid 80s. None of their careers stand up to any scrutiny.
Geoff 33 ave
Shaun 34 ave
Mitch 28 ave
when you have a Marsh in the side, you are basically going through a trough in team success.
Geoff 33 ave
Shaun 34 ave
Mitch 28 ave
when you have a Marsh in the side, you are basically going through a trough in team success.
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McDonald is only making himself look sillier...Todays "Tiser
Mcdonald likes Mitch Harsh
AUSSIES SHAPE UP FOR TEST
traditionally flat Sydney wicket will shape Australia’s thinking at the selection table as Aussie coach Andrew McDonald insists that the struggling Mitch Marsh is fit to bowl despite barely being used for three consecutive Tests. McDonald was also optimistic that Mitchell Starc would be available to play in the fifth Test despite bowling through pain at the MCG but was similarly bullish that Jhye Richardson was ready for the rigours of a Test if called upon. The Aussies headed to Sydney on Tuesday riding high after their epic 184-run victory in a Melbourne classic left them on the verge of regaining the Border-Gavaskar Trophy following a barren decade. A draw in the fifth and final Test at the SCG, which begins on Friday, will be enough to secure the trophy, while an Australian win will lock away as pot in the World Test Championship final against South Africa at Lord’sin June. Despite their stirring fourth Test victory, the Aussies have two selection dilemmas heading to the New Year’s Test. Reigning Allan Border medalist Marsh is under scrutiny having barely fired a shot across four Tests. He is averaging 10.42 with the bat and 46.33with the ball for the series. He has bowled 16 wicketless overs across thepast three Tests after having sent down 17 in Perth.Marsh entered the second Test under an injury cloud but McDonald saidthe West Australian all-rounder was right to bowl and his relatively lightuse had been a tactical ploy.“There’s no concern and I think people have probably been reading toomuch into that,” McDonald said.“We haven’t required him with the ball as often as what we would havethought.“He bowled again (on day five). His speeds were up in the high 120s, thereare no injury concerns there.1/1/25, 1:43 PM The Advertiserhttps://todayspaper.adelaidenow.com.au/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&edid=89516fdf-5b9a-4d8e-8d0b-5a2d4526bf93 1/2“So I think to sort of head down that angle is a little bit unfair. We justhaven’t required him at certain times for whatever reason. So that’s morea tactical implementation, as opposed to a body.”McDonald conceded that Marsh’s output with the bat was suboptimal.“He’s in a good space,’’ he said. “Would he like better performances?There’s no doubt about that.”Starc laboured during stretches of the 41 overs he bowled at the MCG andthe left-armer received attention from team physio Nick Jones.McDonald said selectors would wait to see how Starc recovered from theMelbourne Test before a call was made.“We’ll see how the bodies are,’’ he said. “Clearly, Starcy’s carryingsomething of some description.“We’ll assess that but other than that it looks as though we got through.“But short turnaround, recovery is important, and we’ll assess what theteam looks like in Sydney based upon the surface, as we always do.“Any time you get through the game, it’s always a good indicator thatyou’re a chance at the next game.”The SCG wicket has earnt a reputation in recent years as the nation’sflattest Test pitch and McDonald acknowledged it was a consideration.He said while the Melbourne Test went into day five, low-workloadmatches in Adelaide and Brisbane meant Australia might not need a hugeinput from a fifth bowler in Sydney.“Across the entirety of the series, it’s been relatively light,” McDonaldsaid. “So does that mean you need a fifth bowler? I think you still need afifth bowler but are you going to put huge demand on the fifth bowler?Potentially not.”Tasmanian Beau Webster shapes as a replacement for Marsh, whileRichardson and Sean Abbott are the other quicks in the squad.1/1/25, 1:43 PM The Advertiserhttps://todayspaper.adelaidenow.com.au/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&edid=89516fdf-5b9a-4d8e-8d0b-5a2d4526bf93 2/
The selectors need to tekr it out of his hands & drop Marsh.
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I hope we have learnt for the next generation!
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Austin is 8 or 9 from memory, be another decade but I could see him carving out a niche 40-50 game test career like the rest of the family
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No, just don't pick them based on surname!
I know its a another big test, but surely we don't risk Starc breaking down
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We've sent him for scans thankfully, not just relying on whether he puts his hand up
Just upto the team doctor as to whether we look at them
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