News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Silvagnis]

Carlton should ask for pick 14 for Jacobs. If Jacobs was in the national draft, I doubt that Adelaide would pass on him for a midfielder or another KPP. The pick might be a reach or overpaying a handful of picks, but sometimes you need to pay to get your man. It might be easier to find midfielders in the next few drafts than it is a ruck who fills a clear need.

I don't know where Everitt would fit into Carlton.

Appears to be another third tall.

 

[Jimthegreat]

No. He is a tall flanker, not at CHB.

No point getting another 3rd tall for defence, We have plenty of those. We get Everett it's surely for other positions.

 

[Azul]

I don't know where Everitt would fit into Carlton.

Appears to be another third tall.

Thornton and Fisher are finished. Austin and o'hAilpin struggle with injury and form. So our tall stocks look worse than at the start of the year.

FF/CHF/CHB/FB don't grow on trees. Given our top 10 is now pick 18, we'll be lucky to recruit a top shelf '1st or 2nd tall' until concessions stop.

Whether Everitt is the third tall we're looking for is an open question for Ratts/Hughes.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

I like Everitt as a player.

Has a lovely long kick and excellent pace. Biggest question mark is his lack of intensity.

I definitely think there is something to work with here, and I would consider him an upgrade of Walker in terms of potential/scope. I'm sick of making excuses for Walker's inconsistency and would be more than willing to take the risk that he flourishes at another club if it meant snaring Andrejs.

 

[PooMonkey]

Agreed...

I also think Everitt could be used as a 3rd tall in attack.

A forward line of

Everitt Waite Yaran/Houlihan
Betts Henderson Garlett

would be pretty handy, especially if Everitt were to push further up the ground a little, as his kicking is exceptional in terms of its penetration. That is something the side really lacks.

 

[Silvagnis]

Thornton and Fisher are finished. Austin and o'hAilpin struggle with injury and form. So our tall stocks look worse than at the start of the year.

FF/CHF/CHB/FB don't grow on trees. Given our top 10 is now pick 18, we'll be lucky to recruit a top shelf '1st or 2nd tall' until concessions stop.

Whether Everitt is the third tall we're looking for is an open question for Ratts/Hughes.

Is Everitt the answer to our needs at FF/CHF/CHB/FB?

Austin is a CHB, not a third tall/running defender like Everitt who would play a similar position to Bower, Waite, White and Thornton.

Or Sam Gilbert.

I wouldn't pump up Everitt as the saviour whilst writing off Austin who is the same age.

Austin had a solid GF and went in harder than I can remember.

Big year for Austin, but he still has talent and time on his side.

Everyone wrote off Dawson who played well yesterday as part of a great back six.

If Everitt is whining about not getting a game, do we really want a player who wants games handed to him?

Not if he lacks intensity.

Agreed...

I also think Everitt could be used as a 3rd tall in attack.

A forward line of

Everitt Waite Yaran/Houlihan
Betts Henderson Garlett

would be pretty handy, especially if Everitt were to push further up the ground a little, as his kicking is exceptional in terms of its penetration. That is something the side really lacks.

Why isn't Eade playing Everitt as a forward if he's that good?

Hall, Jones and Grant are ahead of him as forwards.

I would consider Everitt for Walker, but I think the club would prefer a pick or we wouldn't be talking to Adelaide. A medium running defender with skill would add just as much to our backline as Everitt. Trading Walker could net us an untried player such as Tape, Wilson or Cripps. I reckon the club might prefer that option so we can develop our own player ahead of a retread who hasn't come on.

Everitt sounds similar to Sellar who hasn't made a position his own.

 

[Red Bull]

Because Eade had to carry Johnson in the forward line !!!

 

[CrippsonBlue]

If Everitt is whining about not getting a game, do we really want a player who wants games handed to him?

Goodbye Grigg then...

 

[Juddrockz]

Last year rumours were Eade clashed with Everitt,hence talk of not playing him etc.Maybe that rumour was/is true?

 

[Premiership Quarter]

Would prefer to trade walker to someone other than adelaide. Some of the suggested trades are terrible and completely underate Walkers ability and experience. Its simple for me, If Adelaide want Jacobs they offer pick 14 straight swap and then we trade walker elsewhere or just keep him. Talk of Walker for Sellar or second and third round picks in this draft is just not worth it. Maybe its Everitt or maybe ts someone else

 

[GoBlues!]

And so would the other clubs we are competing with for his services.

I was just saying our advantage in terms of Walker's personal preference as to where he would like to go. His manager has already publicly indicated the Crows as his preference.

In some respects its irrelevant how much money you can pay him. He is contracted to Carlton next year.

If you don't come up with a trade that is acceptable to Carlton he won't be going to Adelaide - irrespective of how much you can pay him. If other clubs come up with a better trades (picks/players) than Adelaide then I would favor their chances of securing his services next year.

 

[ftmch]

Would prefer to trade walker to someone other than adelaide. Some of the suggested trades are terrible and completely underate Walkers ability and experience. Its simple for me, If Adelaide want Jacobs they offer pick 14 straight swap and then we trade walker elsewhere or just keep him. Talk of Walker for Sellar or second and third round picks in this draft is just not worth it. Maybe its Everitt or maybe ts someone else

Seriously - do you honestly believe the speculation thrown up on both ours and the Carlton boards truly represent what the clubs are actually contemplating / willing to entertain? Of course they don't. Talk of Sellar or pick 14 or Bock compensation pick or whatever may be part of the picture, but you can take it to the bank that there will be plenty of other options and discussion between the clubs that noone from either forum will be privvy to.

Bottom line - the Crows need an outside running type midfielder very much in the mould of Walker, and another genuine ruckman to go tandem with Maric, in the mould of Jacobs. To this extent, we'll be quite active in trying to make both happen. It may or may not eventuate, but you can guarantee that the Crows will be going to the negotiating table with more than just those ruminations mooted on these forums.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Seriously - do you honestly believe the speculation thrown up on both ours and the Carlton boards truly represent what the clubs are actually contemplating / willing to entertain? Of course they don't. Talk of Sellar or pick 14 or Bock compensation pick or whatever may be part of the picture, but you can take it to the bank that there will be plenty of other options and discussion between the clubs that noone from either forum will be privvy to.

Bottom line - the Crows need an outside running type midfielder very much in the mould of Walker, and another genuine ruckman to go tandem with Maric, in the mould of Jacobs. To this extent, we'll be quite active in trying to make both happen. It may or may not eventuate, but you can guarantee that the Crows will be going to the negotiating table with more than just those ruminations mooted on these forums.

Not a problem at all but given Jacobs for pick 14 + something is what we believe to be fair. What possible could Adelaide have left, for a better word in-regards to Walker? Better start talking to a 3rd party!

 

[Kramer1]

Seriously - do you honestly believe the speculation thrown up on both ours and the Carlton boards truly represent what the clubs are actually contemplating / willing to entertain? Of course they don't. Talk of Sellar or pick 14 or Bock compensation pick or whatever may be part of the picture, but you can take it to the bank that there will be plenty of other options and discussion between the clubs that noone from either forum will be privvy to.

Bottom line - the Crows need an outside running type midfielder very much in the mould of Walker, and another genuine ruckman to go tandem with Maric, in the mould of Jacobs. To this extent, we'll be quite active in trying to make both happen. It may or may not eventuate, but you can guarantee that the Crows will be going to the negotiating table with more than just those ruminations mooted on these forums.

Cool...Walker for Walker is back on.

 

[Azul]

I wouldn't pump up Everitt as the saviour whilst writing off Austin who is the same age.

Austin had a solid GF and went in harder than I can remember.

Big year for Austin, but he still has talent and time on his side.

Sorry TG, if I sounded like I was writing off Austin. I hope he has a big future but hasn't managed to break through in the 4 years he's been on the list. The problem this year is that we had no backup for MJ and PB when Austin and White got injured.

I still think Bower will be the option at CHB, despite looking out of sorts for much of the year. He's the only one on our list who's been able to go toe to toe with Franklin.

Everitt a saviour? No, just another developing option. Someone like him might have provided another option if we'd wanted to rest Bower or Jamison 'Freo style' before the finals. Two years in a row we've struggled for tall depth at finals time.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Cool...Walker for Walker is back on.

there is no Chance that Taylor Walker will be offered in a trade for A Walker or Jacobs

 

[ftmch]

Cool...Walker for Walker is back on.

Fair chance the questions has / will be asked!

 

[Kramer1]

there is no Chance that Taylor Walker will be offered in a trade for A Walker or Jacobs

Offered? Probably not. Enquired about? No doubt.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Adelaide supporters have a pretty funny attitude to this whole scenario.

On one hand, they freely acknowledge what both Jacobs and Walker will bring to their team - a good tap ruckman and pace respectively.

Jacobs is good, we know that because we saw him stand up under AFL Finals pressure. So you have a young ruckman who is the goods and who will play 8-10 years senior footy - 180-200 games if relatively injury free. Good rucks come at a premium because of their development time. Jacobs may be out of contract but he will be in demand from at least four clubs.

Walker divides opinion. We have seen the good and bad, and we have felt for the poor guy as he has popped one shoulder after another. Now, the latest operation seems to have done the trick - and his collarbone break needs to be written off as a freakish break. Walker is contracted, and still has another 5-6 years - probably 100 games.

So -
Jacobs is at a ruck premium and young
Walker is contracted

Somehow, Adelaide seem to think pick 14 is off the table as well as tall KPP who have also demonstrated they will play 180-200 games (Davis, Walker, Tippett)..

Carlton are somehow meant to come up with a trade for a young KPP who is no certainty to play anywhere near as many games as Jacobs (!) or/and some combination of draft picks that starts with a Bock compensation pick!

If Adelaide want Jacobs then I reckon they're going to have to stump up a player who will clearly play as many games as Jacobs over the next 8-10 years - or pick 14 - so we can find a 200 game player.

Walker is harder to divine. It really depends on the role Carlton sees for him. He is contracted - and I would prefer him to stay - as I think the rule changes to the interchange / subs will make him additionally valuable.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I personally won't rate Jacobs as high as pick 14. I still believe his value sits in the 20's. Is an excellent tap ruckman but needs to offer more around the ground. At Carlton this isn't so apparant because our midfield doesn't need his help, and when Kreuzer/Warnock is partnering with him they do a lot of this anyway. At Adelaide, Maric is a worse version of Jacobs (tap work isn't as good, doesn't offer much more around the ground) and the midfield lacks apparant pace (thus why they are targetting Walker). He will probably perform worse at first at the Crows then at Carlton. Therefore his value isn't as high as is being preached on here.

Look, I love Sauce and would prefer to keep him, develop Hampson as a forward, partner him with Warnock and let Kreuze recover fully from the knee (cotton wool) for next year. But TBH that is a short-term solution and Sauce has every right to look for better opportunities elsewhere, scoring a pick in the low 20's is probably the aim (Saints could need a replacement for Gardiner and King who both look practically shot)

 

[Powerade 08]

He could be #1 ruck at Adelaide, Geelong or Richmond, and at least #2 at Port, Melbourne and Hawthorn.

It's first ruck spot or left to rot in the VFL/SANFL for Jacobs.

 

[Silvagnis]

I personally won't rate Jacobs as high as pick 14. I still believe his value sits in the 20's. Is an excellent tap ruckman but needs to offer more around the ground.

You might be proven right, but would you blanche at trading pick 18 for Jacobs if our list needed a number one ruckman?

The Crows have the Bock though.

 

[Blue and Silver]

If Carlton needed a no.1 ruckman I would give up 18 for jacobs, yes. Am I convinced other clubs would do so, no

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

I still think Andrew Walker is worth pick 14. He's a former #2, who could still have 10 years of footy left in him. He has run and dash, is very athletic and can be a game winner. Hopefully the Adelaide supporters in here haven't forgotten his game against them in round 4.

As for Jacobs, you'd almost think he is our best ruckman with some of the talk on here. We gave up pick #28, #57 and #72 for Warnock and #69, and I think most here would consider Warnock the better prospect? A second and fourth rounder for Jacobs would be enough for me.

In the end, I can't see Adelaide trading picks for both (unless they work Freo or the Weagles over in the Griffin trade) and there are no players they are willing to give up that I could see Carlton wanting over draft picks.

 

[Prince of Lygon]

Playlist: Taylor Walker - Every goal of his career - this link is the one to use if you want to give the whole set out. It will show all the goals in order.

I love his goal against Freo were he spins thru 3 defenders and walks into an open goal. I would love to have him in our side. Thanks for putting up the vids mate