News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Sharks On A Plane]

I really feel some people are badly overrating Andrew Walker. I would take a pick in the 30's for him.

Seriously, what has he ever done to warrant a first round pick, apart from being a first round pick himself? People have to distance themselves from his draft position and objectively look at what he has actually achieved.

Walker has played but a handful of good games a year for his whole career, which has also been plagued by injury. I highly doubt that he will suddenly turn the corner and not only get a good run with injury, but start playing consistent football. Sure, he is a nice athlete and capable of playing several positions, which increases his value, but if he played for another club I probably wouldn't even want to give up a second rounder for him. Inconsistent, injury prone, questionable disposal & poor decision-making does not equal first round pick.

Jacobs, on the other hand, is definitely worth pick 14 in my opinion. He is only going to improve from here on in and I think he is a rare talent who will carry the ruck for a decade. Everyone questions his ability around the ground, but he is actually a very good contested mark and his mobility has improved out of sight even in one season. I obviously hope we can keep him, but I think a first round pick is reasonable compensation for a player with such obvious ability in a very important position.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I really feel some people are badly overrating Andrew Walker. I would take a pick in the 30's for him.

Seriously, what has he ever done to warrant a first round pick, apart from being a first round pick himself? People have to distance themselves from his draft position and objectively look at what he has actually achieved.

Walker has played but a handful of good games a year for his whole career, which has also been plagued by injury. I highly doubt that he will suddenly turn the corner and not only get a good run with injury, but start playing consistent football. Sure, he is a nice athlete and capable of playing several positions, which increases his value, but if he played for another club I probably wouldn't even want to give up a second rounder for him. Inconsistent, injury prone, questionable disposal & poor decision-making does not equal first round pick.

Jacobs, on the other hand, is definitely worth pick 14 in my opinion. He is only going to improve from here on in and I think he is a rare talent who will carry the ruck for a decade. Everyone questions his ability around the ground, but he is actually a very good contested mark and his mobility has improved out of sight even in one season. I obviously hope we can keep him, but I think a first round pick is reasonable compensation for a player with such obvious ability in a very important position.

You think a pick in the 30's will play as well as Walker. While anything's possible and good picks have been found there the odds are it's pretty doubtful.

Can't play consistent footy if you keep missing half a season. even this year he missed quite a few.Also hard to play good footy if you're always played out of position all the time too.

 

[blues4flag]

I really feel some people are badly overrating Andrew Walker. I would take a pick in the 30's for him.

Seriously, what has he ever done to warrant a first round pick, apart from being a first round pick himself? People have to distance themselves from his draft position and objectively look at what he has actually achieved.

Walker has played but a handful of good games a year for his whole career, which has also been plagued by injury. I highly doubt that he will suddenly turn the corner and not only get a good run with injury, but start playing consistent football. Sure, he is a nice athlete and capable of playing several positions, which increases his value, but if he played for another club I probably wouldn't even want to give up a second rounder for him. Inconsistent, injury prone, questionable disposal & poor decision-making does not equal first round pick.

If he gets some continuity and confidence in his game (a big if but perhaps the surgery has fixed his shoulder), I think he'll be a solid player at worst.

For mine, he was dropped due to poor defensive efforts and weak tackling, as well as playing too 'outside'. Likely due to a lack of confidence in his shoulder/collar bone.

Pick 30 will likely be more hit than miss. Don't see why it'd entice us given we'd be aiming for top 4 next season. We need depth/players who'll jump straight into our best 22, not an 18 year old who might or might not make it.

Besides, if we get a <30 pick for Jacobs, given that we're unlikely to draft more than 3 players, a pick in the 30s is redundant.

 

[Azul]

Pick 30 will likely be more hit than miss. Don't see why it'd entice us given we'd be aiming for top 4 next season. We need depth/players who'll jump straight into our best 22, not an 18 year old who might or might not make it.

Marcus Davies was drafted at pick 43 and showed in 5 games that he'll have a reasonable future. Even allowing for GC concessions, pick 30 is worth something, surely?

 

[blues4flag]

Marcus Davies was drafted at pick 43 and showed in 5 games that he'll have a reasonable future. Even allowing for GC concessions, pick 30 is worth something, surely?

If we use it.

We've got 18 and ~36 as it is. Assuming we get pick 14 or the Bock pick (~28) and use it this year, we'll have pick 18, 14/28, 36, 53. We'll upgrade one or two rookies (Garlett definite, Ellard/White possibilities), meaning we'll likely only draft the minimum 3 players in the ND (as we did last season).

Pick 30 is only a slight upgrade on 36. Certainly not worth Walker.

Assuming we choose to upgrade 2 rookies, that leaves 5 delistings to draft 3. More if we receive more players/picks than players traded (i.e. Jacobs for Bock pick + Sellar). Who do we delist? Wiggins, Fisher, Tiller?, Browne?, Anderson??, O'Keeffe??, Johnson??

Getting harder to find players to delist players by the year...

 

[Tanks_Alot]

I really feel some people are badly overrating Andrew Walker. I would take a pick in the 30's for him.

Seriously, what has he ever done to warrant a first round pick, apart from being a first round pick himself? People have to distance themselves from his draft position and objectively look at what he has actually achieved.

Walker has played but a handful of good games a year for his whole career, which has also been plagued by injury. I highly doubt that he will suddenly turn the corner and not only get a good run with injury, but start playing consistent football. Sure, he is a nice athlete and capable of playing several positions, which increases his value, but if he played for another club I probably wouldn't even want to give up a second rounder for him. Inconsistent, injury prone, questionable disposal & poor decision-making does not equal first round pick.

Jacobs, on the other hand, is definitely worth pick 14 in my opinion. He is only going to improve from here on in and I think he is a rare talent who will carry the ruck for a decade. Everyone questions his ability around the ground, but he is actually a very good contested mark and his mobility has improved out of sight even in one season. I obviously hope we can keep him, but I think a first round pick is reasonable compensation for a player with such obvious ability in a very important position.

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Agree 100%

 

[Jabba73]

I wonder if we would get more for Walker and Jacobs as a package deal or as two separate deals. It seems most of the offers from the Crows supporters see one or either of them as steak knives in a deal when in reality both are worth a bit in their own right.

I would be happier to lose both to Adelaide if we get one very good prospect in return. Davis or Walker has to be the starting point in the negotiations and the rest is just window dressing to sell the deal to supporters of both sides.

If they wont talk about either, they are not serious about fixing two glaring deficiencies in their side. Both players will be around for 6-10 years so they have time to rebuild and still get value from them, which is what they need to do after losing Bock and several senior superstars this season.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

We can't be serious re: Sellar

 

[Glenno23]

I wonder if we would get more for Walker and Jacobs as a package deal or as two separate deals. It seems most of the offers from the Crows supporters see one or either of them as steak knives in a deal when in reality both are worth a bit in their own right.

I would be happier to lose both to Adelaide if we get one very good prospect in return. Davis or Walker has to be the starting point in the negotiations and the rest is just window dressing to sell the deal to supporters of both sides.

If they wont talk about either, they are not serious about fixing two glaring deficiencies in their side. Both players will be around for 6-10 years so they have time to rebuild and still get value from them, which is what they need to do after losing Bock and several senior superstars this season.

We won't talk about either. Ruck is a glaring deficiency, which is our other?

Davis and (our) Walker will give us more output than (your) Walker.

Jacobs has the potential to be up there with them

We won't talk about T.Walker and Davis, because they are outstanding talents and fill deficiencies we have now. Why would we rob Peter to pay Paul?

Davis has taken Bock's spot. We haven't had much luck with our first round picks over the years, so i think we'll keep this gem.

Walker will be part of a gun forward line, the likes we haven't seen since Modra, Jarman and co during our glory years

It's like us saying to you "ïf they won't talk about trading Murphy or Gibbs, they are just not serious" If Carlton were looking at one of our ok players

 

[NAUGHT5]

Dont worry Glenno, I dont think anyone actually believes we will get Taylor Walker or Phil Davis.

What is your opinion on Shaun McKernan? Is he a true KPF or a short ruckman? Would he be around the mark?

 

[parrot]

We won't talk about either. Ruck is a glaring deficiency, which is our other?

Davis and (our) Walker will give us .....

The reality is the Crows are a very average side with an average list with deficiencies all over the place. This is why there is very little player-wise that would interest us. Even if Walker stays, there's a very strong chance you'll be coughing up pick 14 for Jacobs. However I suspect Clubs with better quality lists will be involved which should make things interesting.

 

[GordonBlue]

The reality is the Crows are a very average side with an average list with deficiencies all over the place. This is why there is very little player-wise that would interest us. Even if Walker stays, there's a very strong chance you'll be coughing up pick 14 for Jacobs. However I suspect Clubs with better quality lists will be involved which should make things interesting.

I agree... whilst they have the untouchables which are fair enough... they need all the quality they can get... if pick 14 is out of the equation, i just don't see how a deal can be done...

 

[KennyHunter9]

I agree... whilst they have the untouchables which are fair enough... they need all the quality they can get... if pick 14 is out of the equation, i just don't see how a deal can be done...

Adelaide posters need to address this question: "who will they give up who will (not can, but will) play 150-200 KP games?"

That's what they want from us in Jacobs, ruckmen being equivalent to KPP.

Sellar won't. McKernan has not proved it. And pick 14 allegedly off the table.

 

[Salaryman]

^^ simple, straight to the point, accurate

 

[GordonBlue]

Adelaide posters need to address this question: "who will they give up who will (not can, but will) play 150-200 KP games?"

That's what they want from us in Jacobs, ruckmen being equivalent to KPP.

Sellar won't. McKernan has not proved it. And pick 14 allegedly off the table.

Don't try mentioning this... they will post your post on the most ridiculous trade idea thread on the Trade/Draft board...

 

[Glenno23]

Dont worry Glenno, I dont think anyone actually believes we will get Taylor Walker or Phil Davis.

What is your opinion on Shaun McKernan? Is he a true KPF or a short ruckman? Would he be around the mark?

Too short to be a true ruckman in the AFL. Has got a great leap on him though. But i would see him as a pinch hitter back up ruckman. Like Brown is to Jolly, McKernan could be to Jacobs. Especially if the interchange cap comes in, would need that mobility for the 2nd ruck

Can hold his own, but wouldn't dominate. Would be much better suited in the forwards. But admittedly, living in Perth, i didn't see much of him this year, as he failed to play a game for the Crows. But from what i have seen in the past, forward would be the best fit

The reality is the Crows are a very average side with an average list with deficiencies all over the place. This is why there is very little player-wise that would interest us. Even if Walker stays, there's a very strong chance you'll be coughing up pick 14 for Jacobs. However I suspect Clubs with better quality lists will be involved which should make things interesting.

ah parrot, I remember when you said if round 22 of 2009 got into a shootout, we would be smashed due to our lack of talent, and then you were parading around at quarter time full of yourself.

But then something amazing happened..... do you remember the rest of the game? Or have you suppressed it?

14 for Jacobs is over the odds. has played less than 15 matches. has potential sure, but hasn't done a whole heap except for 1 or 2 games. I would be happy to give up our Bock compo pick for him

Walker i'm a bit meh on anyway. If we get him cheap, no worries, if we don't get him at all, so be it. I'll be upset if we pay over the odds, and i think Adelaide can sometimes be a little too kind on the trading table, but i think if it happens a decent deal will be done between the clubs as both clubs are quite fair when it comes to trading

Adelaide posters need to address this question: "who will they give up who will (not can, but will) play 150-200 KP games?"

That's what they want from us in Jacobs, ruckmen being equivalent to KPP.

Sellar won't. McKernan has not proved it. And pick 14 allegedly off the table.

Maybe we don't have to give up a player to you?

Ever thought a 3rd or 4th club could be involved in the deal?

In the end, there is no guarantee that Jacobs will play 150 games or more. he might play 5 and do his knee and never play again (touch wood, never hope injury on anyone)

Same as Sellar, he could flourish under a new coach and be great. He could also just be one of those KPP's that don't go anywhere until there 24, then smashes it.

Or the player you pick with the draft pick traded could be a dud/ get injured

There is never anything 100% sure in any trade, its a risk situation for every club

 

[Kramer1]

14 for Jacobs is over the odds. has played less than 15 matches. has potential sure, but hasn't done a whole heap except for 1 or 2 games. I would be happy to give up our Bock compo pick for him

Walker i'm a bit meh on anyway. If we get him cheap, no worries, if we don't get him at all, so be it. I'll be upset if we pay over the odds, and i think Adelaide can sometimes be a little too kind on the trading table, but i think if it happens a decent deal will be done between the clubs as both clubs are quite fair when it comes to trading

In the end, there is no guarantee that Jacobs will play 150 games or more. he might play 5 and do his knee and never play again (touch wood, never hope injury on anyone)

No one can guarantee a certain amount of games, but what sort of indication do clubs need? Worst case scenario Jacobs looks likely to be a very solid contributor. As gambles go that's not a bad one.

The best point of reference for Jacobs is Mumford, given a similar backround and rate of development. Mumford went for 28 with Geelong's inability to match dollard forcing their hand.

Jacobs 2010 has been at least the equal, IMO greater than Mumford's 2009. So adding in the fact that this years draft is even more compromised than last years, one would expect Jacobs value to be around the 20 mark give or take.

I don't know about the compo pick...what is it this year? Late twenties? Next year is just as compromised, and if we carry it much further than that you start lo lose value in terms of the time that you could have been developing a player.

 

[Silvagnis]

I agree... whilst they have the untouchables which are fair enough... they need all the quality they can get... if pick 14 is out of the equation, i just don't see how a deal can be done...

Jacobs want to go Adelaide to get more game time, so a few Crows supporters believe it's just a matter of time before he joins Adelaide.

No matter what they offer up.

A bit like Jordan Russell wanting to go home at the end of 2006...

 

[Glenno23]

No one can guarantee a certain amount of games, but what sort of indication do clubs need? Worst case scenario Jacobs looks likely to be a very solid contributor. As gambles go that's not a bad one.

The best point of reference for Jacobs is Mumford, given a similar backround and rate of development. Mumford went for 28 with Geelong's inability to match dollard forcing their hand.

Jacobs 2010 has been at least the equal, IMO greater than Mumford's 2009. So adding in the fact that this years draft is even more compromised than last years, one would expect Jacobs value to be around the 20 mark give or take.

I don't know about the compo pick...what is it this year? Late twenties? Next year is just as compromised, and if we carry it much further than that you start lo lose value in terms of the time that you could have been developing a player.

What if Jacobs forces your hand and says Adelaide only?

I thought the compo pick was at the end of the first round, which is about 26th this year and around the same next

Its not that far off Jacobs value but may require an upgrade of a lower pick, and i believe that is fair for both sides

But there is still a chance a 3rd club could be involved

 

[Kramer1]

What if Jacobs forces your hand and says Adelaide only?

I thought the compo pick was at the end of the first round, which is about 26th this year and around the same next

Its not that far off Jacobs value but may require an upgrade of a lower pick, and i believe that is fair for both sides

If Jacobs does want to go to Adelaide, the Mumford situation is an even better precedent. Factoring the 6-10 picks that this draft is de-valued, we arrive somewhere around 20.

You might also say that 14 isn't too far off his real value, and may require something more from our end to balance the deal.

 

[4thchicken]

In the end, there is no guarantee that Jacobs will play 150 games or more. he might play 5 and do his knee and never play again (touch wood, never hope injury on anyone)

I've read this a few times from various posters and can I just say that such a statement is just plain stupid.

Jacobs has no injury history to speak of for such concerns to be raised. Ablett is just as likely to rip his hamstring from the bone, do a knee or suffer a neck/back injury and never play again. Does that mean GC should pay less for ablett? Of course not.

 

[ILOVEHODGEY]

Tippet or Taylor Walker or Crows 1st draft pick or nothing.

 

[krayfesh]

This guy knows the score.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

This guy knows the score.

Sounds like he's taking the piss

 

[parrot]

What if Jacobs forces your hand and says Adelaide only?..

Well it's happened. So now the ONLY possibilities are the Crows or the PSD. It's going to be a fun trade week.