News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

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You can't refute the evidence of similar trades in the recent past, so now the established "value" is going to magically change - just because it's us in search of a ruckman instead of Carlton, Collingwood or Sydney?

What a load of rubbish.

I've demonstrated 3 precedents which clearly indicate that Jacobs' value is somewhere in the mid-late 20s. That's not going to change just because you wish it to be so.

We're still waiting for you to tell us what ruck you'll get with your "Compo Pick" if the Jacobs trade doesn't happen. Any thoughts?

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The 2008 and 2009 drafts aren't great as the 2010 draft, yet Talia, Davis, Young and McKernan are off limits.
Nobody has said that Young is off limits, but by the same token his SANFL performance have belied his original draft position. He's been VERY good for Norwood and his performance in the R21 game vs Collingwood (when he shut O'Brien completely out of the game and won the TV for being judged BOG by Matthew Lloyd) is a fair indication of what he's capable of.

McKernan may or may not be on the table, depending on which Adelaide BF fan you talk to. I'd be willing to put him on the table - and a direct swap for Jacobs would probably be about fair price.

Talia & Davis you can forget about.
 

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We wouldn't be trading for him if we didn't think that he'd improve our side. This is not in doubt.

I think Carlton will be fairly compensated. I just don't think you'll get everything you're hoping for, because I believe you're overstating his value - especially in comparison with recent precedents.

The question is this:

Is Jacobs really worth pick 14? Probably not
Is Jacobs worth a pick 14 to Adelaide, all considered? Maybe so.

There is a difference.
 
Jolly, Wood, Warnock, Seaby, Mumford......the average would work out to be somewhere between 20-22.


That's about pick #14 in a compromised draft.
The two relevant comparisons (ie similar quality player at similar stage of development) are Warnock & Mumford. Jolly is in another league. The average of those two is 26. Call it 25 if you include Seaby.

That's about the same as pick #25 in this or any other draft.
And it's about time you admitted it
Don't try and quote me out of context... The rest of that post read:
However, if you think of things in terms of the selections themselves pick 28 in this draft is likely to be as good as or better than pick 28 in the 2009 draft.

Ordinarily the premier would have pick #16 (subject to priority selections). This year they get pick #25. It's not the same. However, pick #25 in this year's draft is still better than pick #25 last year.
 
Is Jacobs really worth pick 14? Probably not
Glad we're agreed on this. It's a start - not many Carlton supporters seem willing to accept that he's not worth pick 14.
Is Jacobs worth a pick 14 to Adelaide, all considered? Maybe so.
Given that the Adelaide recruitment team have repeatedly stated that pick #14 will not be offered, I'd suggest that the answer is no.
There is a difference.
I can see the difference you're trying to make.. where your proposition falls down is that Adelaide aren't prepared to pay "overs" for a player who is out of contract, who has nominated them as his preferred destination and whose value has been determined (by recent precedent) as somewhere in the mid-20s.
 
Don't try and quote me out of context... The rest of that post read:


Ordinarily the premier would have pick #16 (subject to priority selections). This year they get pick #25. It's not the same. However, pick #25 in this year's draft is still better than pick #25 last year.

I ignored the rest of the post because it was rubbish. Still is when you put it like that. You need to have another look at the players who were selected around there, think about how GC have r*ped this years draft already and think again.
 
I can see the difference you're trying to make.. where your proposition falls down is that Adelaide aren't prepared to pay "overs" for a player who is out of contract, who has nominated them as his preferred destination and whose value has been determined (by recent precedent) as somewhere in the mid-20s.

Then only time will tell. :thumbsu:
 
I ignored the rest of the post because it was rubbish. Still is when you put it like that. You need to have another look at the players who were selected around there, think about how GC have r*ped this years draft already and think again.
Forget about the players who are gone already. You're never going to get them back into the draft. All you can do is look at the players who are left - and the player taken at #25 in this draft is rated as highly, if not higher, than the player taken at #25 last year.
 

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Forget about the players who are gone already. You're never going to get them back into the draft. All you can do is look at the players who are left - and the player taken at #25 in this draft is rated as highly, if not higher, than the player taken at #25 last year.
It is a good draft this year but I disagree wholeheartedly, it's had too much quality taken from it.
 
Forget about the players who are gone already. You're never going to get them back into the draft. All you can do is look at the players who are left - and the player taken at #25 in this draft is rated as highly, if not higher, than the player taken at #25 last year.

So assuming the Jacobs trade doesn't happen, tell us what ruck the Crows will pickup with the "Compo Pick"?

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Vader, you are fighting a losing battle.

You are right, Jacobs isn't worth pick 14, but that is what the Carlton board is going to push. I think he is worth more than the Bock compo, but not a whole lot more.
Don't know about a losing battle, but it's definitely a pointless one. We'll just have to wait & see what the outcome of trade week is. The start is only 4 days away...
 
Anyone else feel like this??

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Don't know about a losing battle, but it's definitely a pointless one. We'll just have to wait & see what the outcome of trade week is. The start is only 4 days away...

What's happening here is that you're in denial about the current situation with this trade, and you're getting yourself all worked up over it for some reason. You still haven't told us what ruck the Crows will target with their "compo pick" if the Jacobs trade doesn't go through. And I know why you don't want to answer that question. And that's why your club will pay pick 14. It's actually a decent deal for the Crows, it's just you're too rattled to appreciate it at the moment.

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Apparently Vader's all over the draft....to the point he can categorically state that pick #25 this year is the same as last..

Should have no trouble telling us which ruckman they will be targetting with pick 28.
 
Apparently Vader's all over the draft....to the point he can categorically state that pick #25 this year is the same as last..

Should have no trouble telling us which ruckman they will be targetting with pick 28.

He's avoided the alternative trade question 5 times already, so this will be avoided as well. It's actually the key question, and something the Crows list managers will be asking themselves.

The situation NOW, is they need a ruck, and if they're only willing to use the "Compo Pick" what other rucks could they get in this trade/draft if the Jacob's trade doesn't go through?

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