Analysis Crows Player Ratings

[FR0GGY]

With Rory Sloane retiring, here's how he compared to his fellow Crows midfielders.


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From 23-26 he was in the top 10 players in the league. Easily our best midfielder post Danger.

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Not everyone can be Danger, unfortunate he left us for his peak from 25.

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I do think people forget how good he was before getting tagged.

 

[kulak]

I do think people forget how good he was before getting tagged.

Conventional wisdom to say it was because of the tagging, but I'm unconvinced.

I think it's more that he just lost a step physically. Which also made him trivially easy to tag.

His way of playing was so dependent on his physical pop, that once he lost just a slight edge, he couldn't compete with the very best.

Even in general, a lot of pure contested inside midfielders peak at 25-26, and its downhill from there. If you can't go forward / outside, you will struggle a bit from 28+.

 

[kick it to me_]

Conventional wisdom to say it was because of the tagging, but I'm unconvinced.

I think it's more that he just lost a step physically. Which also made him trivially easy to tag.

His way of playing was so dependent on his physical pop, that once he lost just a slight edge, he couldn't compete with the very best.

Even in general, a lot of pure contested inside midfielders peak at 25-26, and its downhill from there. If you can't go forward / outside, you will struggle a bit from 28+.


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Love it. Could you do something like this for soligo? Wonder how he's tracking against similar players.

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[Bazz_27]

Love it. Could you do something like this for soligo? Wonder how he's tracking against similar players.

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Without the graphics to illustrate it.

Soligo player ratings
19 - 8.03
20 - 9.44
21 - 10.54

Think next year we will see how he is likely to look vs the top mids

 

[WeeBlake]

Conventional wisdom to say it was because of the tagging, but I'm unconvinced.

I think it's more that he just lost a step physically. Which also made him trivially easy to tag.

His way of playing was so dependent on his physical pop, that once he lost just a slight edge, he couldn't compete with the very best.

Even in general, a lot of pure contested inside midfielders peak at 25-26, and its downhill from there. If you can't go forward / outside, you will struggle a bit from 28+.


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Those numbers are strange.

They make Sloane’s career compare favourably to Oliver’s, and even Fyfe’s. The numbers show he has had a similar late career trajectory to Dangerfield. Those just don’t fit with my memory of things. Sloane was among the best mids (but never dominant) for a relatively short period of time (maybe 18 months). His late career has definitely been a level below Dangerfield’s. Oliver and Fyfe had higher peaks - truly dominant - and were better for significantly longer, as I remember it.

 

[Bazz_27]

Those numbers are strange.

They make Sloane’s career compare favourably to Oliver’s, and even Fyfe’s. The numbers show he has had a similar late career trajectory to Dangerfield. Those just don’t fit with my memory of things. Sloane was among the best mids (but never dominant) for a relatively short period of time (maybe 18 months). His late career has definitely been a level below Dangerfield’s. Oliver and Fyfe had higher peaks - truly dominant - and were better for significantly longer, as I remember it.

Player ratings can bring up some strange results but overall are a pretty good (or as good as any) measure of impact in a game.

 

[kulak]

Player ratings can bring up some strange results but overall are a pretty good (or as good as any) measure of impact in a game.

Player ratings > Supercoach > Dreamteam > disposal count

 

[kulak]

Love it. Could you do something like this for soligo? Wonder how he's tracking against similar players.

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Here is our best young potential midfielders vs Port's.




Soligo vs quality young inside midfielders. He is tracking behind the best ones but it's still early in his career.



Very funny that in 2018 the great Hamish chose to draft Chayce Jones (9) instead of Butters (12), and in 2019 Fisher McAsey (6) instead of Hayden Young (7) or Caleb Serong (8), or even Sam Flanders (11) or Will Day (13). RIP.

 

[kulak]

Top 5 players per position * age for 2024, 11 games or more.

team.name	player	age	position	games	rating_points
Western Bulldogs	Joel Freijah	18	Def	12	8.8
North Melbourne	Colby McKercher	18	Def	16	7.6
Hawthorn	Nick Watson	18	Fwd	16	7.5
St Kilda	Darcy Wilson	18	Fwd	23	7.5
Brisbane	Logan Morris	18	Fwd	15	6.9
GWS	Harvey Thomas	18	Fwd	22	6.9
Western Bulldogs	Ryley Sanders	18	Fwd	14	6.5
West Coast	Harley Reid	18	Mid	20	11.3
Gold Coast	Will Graham	18	Mid	17	8.9
Melbourne	Caleb Windsor	18	Mid	19	7.9
North Melbourne	Harry Sheezel	19	Def	21	15.2
Hawthorn	Josh Weddle	19	Def	23	11.4
Carlton	Lachlan Cowan	19	Def	16	7.0
Fremantle	Joshua Draper	19	Def	20	6.0
Adelaide	Max Michalanney	19	Def	23	5.5
GWS	Darcy Jones	19	Fwd	12	10.0
Gold Coast	Bailey Humphrey	19	Fwd	21	6.7
Richmond	Seth Campbell	19	Fwd	21	6.5
St Kilda	Mattaes Phillipou	19	Fwd	13	6.4
GWS	Aaron Cadman	19	Fwd	21	6.1
North Melbourne	George Wardlaw	19	Mid	18	12.3
West Coast	Reuben Ginbey	19	Mid	23	9.2
Hawthorn	Cam Mackenzie	19	Mid	20	8.2
Brisbane	Jaspa Fletcher	19	Mid	23	7.0
Carlton	Oliver Hollands	19	Mid	22	6.7
St Kilda	Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera	20	Def	22	11.5
Brisbane	Darcy Wilmot	20	Def	23	10.5
Melbourne	Judd McVee	20	Def	23	9.3
Gold Coast	Bodhi Uwland	20	Def	21	9.0
Gold Coast	Mac Andrew	20	Def	20	8.7
Port Adelaide	Jason Horne-Francis	20	Fwd	21	12.2
Western Bulldogs	Sam Darcy	20	Fwd	20	9.7
Adelaide	Josh Rachele	20	Fwd	22	9.5
Brisbane	Kai Lohmann	20	Fwd	23	8.6
Hawthorn	Connor Macdonald	20	Fwd	23	8.4
Collingwood	Nick Daicos	20	Mid	23	16.8
GWS	Finn Callaghan	20	Mid	22	12.4
Hawthorn	Massimo D'Ambrosio	20	Mid	22	11.4
Adelaide	Jake Soligo	20	Mid	23	10.5
Geelong	Oliver Dempsey	20	Mid	23	10.0
Geelong	Max Holmes	21	Def	23	14.6
Gold Coast	Joel Jeffrey	21	Def	12	9.5
Fremantle	Heath Chapman	21	Def	16	8.2
Port Adelaide	Lachie Jones	21	Def	18	7.2
Fremantle	Brandon Walker	21	Def	19	7.0
Fremantle	Josh Treacy	21	Fwd	20	10.7
Carlton	Elijah Hollands	21	Fwd	21	9.9
Sydney	Logan McDonald	21	Fwd	23	7.3
Western Bulldogs	Jamarra Ugle-Hagan	21	Fwd	21	7.0
Geelong	Shannon Neale	21	Fwd	13	7.0
Sydney	Errol Gulden	21	Mid	23	15.0
North Melbourne	Tom Powell	21	Mid	23	11.7
Geelong	Tanner Bruhn	21	Mid	15	9.4
Gold Coast	Sam Clohesy	21	Mid	20	9.2
North Melbourne	Will Phillips	21	Mid	11	9.1
Gold Coast	Sam Flanders	22	Def	22	14.7
Essendon	Nic Martin	22	Def	23	12.7
Melbourne	Trent Rivers	22	Def	23	11.0
Port Adelaide	Miles Bergman	22	Def	23	9.4
North Melbourne	Charlie Comben	22	Def	19	9.4
Melbourne	Kysaiah Pickett	22	Fwd	21	11.7
St Kilda	Liam Henry	22	Fwd	12	10.2
Western Bulldogs	Cody Weightman	22	Fwd	16	8.6
Western Bulldogs	Lachlan McNeil	22	Fwd	11	8.4
Western Bulldogs	Riley Garcia	22	Fwd	12	8.3
Fremantle	Caleb Serong	22	Mid	23	17.0
Gold Coast	Matt Rowell	22	Mid	23	16.1
Fremantle	Hayden Young	22	Mid	23	16.1
Gold Coast	Noah Anderson	22	Mid	23	15.8
Sydney	Chad Warner	22	Mid	22	15.4
Fremantle	Luke Jackson	22	Ruck	23	13.1
Sydney	Nick Blakey	23	Def	23	13.4
GWS	Connor Idun	23	Def	23	11.0
Fremantle	Jordan Clark	23	Def	23	10.3
Adelaide	Mark Keane	23	Def	21	10.1
Collingwood	Isaac Quaynor	23	Def	23	7.2
Adelaide	Izak Rankine	23	Fwd	15	16.6
Melbourne	Kade Chandler	23	Fwd	23	9.0
Richmond	Rhyan Mansell	23	Fwd	21	8.9
Western Bulldogs	Rhylee West	23	Fwd	21	8.3
Gold Coast	Jack Lukosius	23	Fwd	21	8.2
Port Adelaide	Zak Butters	23	Mid	23	16.7
Carlton	Sam Walsh	23	Mid	19	13.7
Sydney	James Rowbottom	23	Mid	21	13.6
Port Adelaide	Connor Rozee	23	Mid	20	11.9
Essendon	Jye Caldwell	23	Mid	23	11.3
West Coast	Bailey J. Williams	23	Ruck	23	8.8
Richmond	Ben Miller	24	Def	21	10.1
Gold Coast	Wil Powell	24	Def	18	10.0
GWS	Sam Taylor	24	Def	16	9.7
Port Adelaide	Kane Farrell	24	Def	22	9.6
Gold Coast	Charlie Ballard	24	Def	23	8.7
Hawthorn	Dylan Moore	24	Fwd	23	12.7
GWS	Brent Daniels	24	Fwd	22	12.2
Geelong	Gryan Miers	24	Fwd	23	11.7
Brisbane	Cam Rayner	24	Fwd	23	11.4
Adelaide	Darcy Fogarty	24	Fwd	23	10.2
North Melbourne	Luke Davies-Uniacke	24	Mid	23	15.4
Western Bulldogs	Ed Richards	24	Mid	20	14.8
Fremantle	Andrew Brayshaw	24	Mid	23	13.4
Hawthorn	James Worpel	24	Mid	23	12.9
St Kilda	Hunter Clark	24	Mid	11	10.8
North Melbourne	Tristan Xerri	24	Ruck	23	16.1
Carlton	Tom De Koning	24	Ruck	17	14.1
GWS	Kieren Briggs	24	Ruck	22	13.4
Adelaide	Mitchell Hinge	25	Def	22	11.3
St Kilda	Josh Battle	25	Def	23	10.9
Essendon	Andrew McGrath	25	Def	23	10.6
Hawthorn	Jack Scrimshaw	25	Def	22	10.2
Sydney	Oliver Florent	25	Def	23	10.0
Geelong	Tyson Stengle	25	Fwd	23	12.3
Richmond	Liam Baker	25	Fwd	18	11.7
Richmond	Shai Bolton	25	Fwd	22	11.2
West Coast	Jake Waterman	25	Fwd	20	10.8
North Melbourne	Jy Simpkin	25	Fwd	18	10.7
Brisbane	Hugh McCluggage	25	Mid	23	12.8
Port Adelaide	Willem Drew	25	Mid	23	11.6
Richmond	Tim Taranto	25	Mid	15	11.4
Geelong	Jack Bowes	25	Mid	20	11.0
Collingwood	Josh Daicos	25	Mid	23	10.0
Fremantle	Sean Darcy	25	Ruck	12	13.9
Hawthorn	Lloyd Meek	25	Ruck	19	12.5
Essendon	Sam Draper	25	Ruck	16	11.4
Port Adelaide	Jordon Sweet	25	Ruck	14	9.7
Port Adelaide	Dan Houston	26	Def	22	13.9
Richmond	Daniel Rioli	26	Def	23	11.6
GWS	Jack Buckley	26	Def	21	11.3
Carlton	Jacob Weitering	26	Def	21	10.9
Essendon	Mason Redman	26	Def	21	10.4
Carlton	Charlie Curnow	26	Fwd	21	11.5
Carlton	Harry McKay	26	Fwd	20	10.7
Adelaide	Ben Keays	26	Fwd	23	10.5
Carlton	Matthew Kennedy	26	Fwd	23	9.4
Essendon	Matt Guelfi	26	Fwd	13	8.5
Adelaide	Jordan Dawson	26	Mid	22	13.4
Brisbane	Josh Dunkley	26	Mid	23	12.8
Melbourne	Clayton Oliver	26	Mid	21	10.7
Essendon	Darcy Parish	26	Mid	12	9.7
Gold Coast	Brayden Fiorini	26	Mid	12	9.3
Western Bulldogs	Tim English	26	Ruck	22	12.7
Western Bulldogs	Bailey Dale	27	Def	23	13.5
St Kilda	Callum Wilkie	27	Def	23	11.5
Brisbane	Harris Andrews	27	Def	22	11.4
Fremantle	Luke Ryan	27	Def	23	11.3
Collingwood	Darcy Moore	27	Def	23	11.2
Melbourne	Alex Neal-Bullen	27	Fwd	23	11.4
Sydney	Tom Papley	27	Fwd	18	10.9
Fremantle	Sam Switkowski	27	Fwd	20	10.9
Essendon	Kyle Langford	27	Fwd	23	10.8
Melbourne	Bayley Fritsch	27	Fwd	23	9.0
Sydney	Isaac Heeney	27	Mid	21	17.6
Melbourne	Christian Petracca	27	Mid	13	16.7
Gold Coast	Touk Miller	27	Mid	18	13.3
Collingwood	Jordan De Goey	27	Mid	13	10.6
Melbourne	Ed Langdon	27	Mid	22	8.3
Carlton	Marc Pittonet	27	Ruck	13	14.4
St Kilda	Jack Sinclair	28	Def	22	14.9
Hawthorn	James Sicily	28	Def	20	12.3
West Coast	Tom Barrass	28	Def	18	11.7
Fremantle	Alex Pearce	28	Def	15	10.1
Hawthorn	Jarman Impey	28	Def	23	9.8
GWS	Jesse Hogan	28	Fwd	23	11.2
Port Adelaide	Darcy Byrne-Jones	28	Fwd	23	8.7
Port Adelaide	Willie Rioli	28	Fwd	17	8.2
Gold Coast	Nick Holman	28	Fwd	21	6.9
Carlton	Orazio Fantasia	28	Fwd	14	6.7
Western Bulldogs	Marcus Bontempelli	28	Mid	23	19.6
Carlton	Patrick Cripps	28	Mid	23	18.3
Essendon	Zach Merrett	28	Mid	23	15.6
GWS	Josh Kelly	28	Mid	15	15.5
St Kilda	Jack Steele	28	Mid	23	13.4
St Kilda	Rowan Marshall	28	Ruck	23	14.2
Collingwood	Darcy Cameron	28	Ruck	23	13.8
Adelaide	Reilly O'Brien	28	Ruck	21	11.7
Gold Coast	Sam Collins	29	Def	23	13.4
Carlton	Adam Saad	29	Def	17	11.9
Richmond	Nick Vlastuin	29	Def	22	10.9
GWS	Lachie Whitfield	29	Def	23	9.8
Carlton	Zac Williams	29	Def	18	9.6
Essendon	Jake Stringer	29	Fwd	23	9.8
Brisbane	Joe Daniher	29	Fwd	23	9.7
Western Bulldogs	Jack Macrae	29	Fwd	18	9.0
Essendon	Nick Hind	29	Fwd	15	7.9
St Kilda	Tim Membrey	29	Fwd	19	7.7
West Coast	Tim Kelly	29	Mid	20	13.5
Melbourne	Jack Viney	29	Mid	23	12.0
Port Adelaide	Ollie Wines	29	Mid	22	11.8
Fremantle	Jaeger O'Meara	29	Mid	22	8.2
Richmond	Kamdyn McIntosh	29	Mid	22	4.8
Brisbane	Oscar McInerney	29	Ruck	22	13.5
Richmond	Toby Nankervis	29	Ruck	21	12.9
Sydney	Brodie Grundy	29	Ruck	23	11.9
Geelong	Tom Stewart	30	Def	22	11.3
Carlton	Nic Newman	30	Def	23	10.2
Western Bulldogs	Rory Lobb	30	Def	15	9.0
Gold Coast	Alex Sexton	30	Def	15	7.5
Richmond	Nathan Broad	30	Def	22	7.3
Geelong	Jeremy Cameron	30	Fwd	22	12.4
GWS	Toby Greene	30	Fwd	22	10.8
St Kilda	Bradley Hill	30	Fwd	22	9.7
St Kilda	Mason Wood	30	Fwd	18	9.3
Collingwood	Brody Mihocek	30	Fwd	11	8.5
Brisbane	Lachie Neale	30	Mid	22	17.2
Western Bulldogs	Adam Treloar	30	Mid	22	16.0
West Coast	Elliot Yeo	30	Mid	20	13.9
Collingwood	Jack Crisp	30	Mid	23	13.5
Adelaide	Rory Laird	30	Mid	23	12.2
West Coast	Jeremy McGovern	31	Def	19	12.9
Essendon	Dyson Heppell	31	Def	18	10.9
Melbourne	Tom McDonald	31	Def	22	10.3
Melbourne	Steven May	31	Def	19	9.7
Brisbane	Ryan Lester	31	Def	23	8.8
West Coast	Jamie Cripps	31	Fwd	23	9.1
Collingwood	Jamie Elliott	31	Fwd	15	7.2
Richmond	Marlion Pickett	31	Fwd	13	7.1
West Coast	Jack Darling	31	Fwd	21	6.4
Gold Coast	David Swallow	31	Fwd	20	5.7
Western Bulldogs	Tom Liberatore	31	Mid	17	14.7
Richmond	Dion Prestia	31	Mid	13	11.3
Gold Coast	Jarrod Witts	31	Ruck	16	14.0
Western Bulldogs	Liam Jones	32	Def	20	10.0
Geelong	Mitch Duncan	32	Def	20	8.0
Western Bulldogs	Taylor Duryea	32	Def	21	6.4
Richmond	Dustin Martin	32	Fwd	13	8.0
Hawthorn	Jack Gunston	32	Fwd	16	6.6
Geelong	Gary Rohan	32	Fwd	12	5.4
Fremantle	Michael Walters	32	Fwd	17	5.1
Geelong	Mark Blicavs	32	Mid	22	9.4
Fremantle	Nat Fyfe	32	Mid	22	9.4
Collingwood	Steele Sidebottom	32	Mid	22	8.4
North Melbourne	Liam Shiels	32	Mid	17	5.5
Melbourne	Max Gawn	32	Ruck	21	17.2
Collingwood	Mason Cox	32	Ruck	16	6.4
Collingwood	Jeremy Howe	33	Def	19	9.5
Sydney	Dane Rampe	33	Def	18	6.2
Port Adelaide	Charlie Dixon	33	Fwd	16	9.1
Adelaide	Taylor Walker	33	Fwd	18	8.8
Hawthorn	Luke Breust	33	Fwd	17	6.6
Geelong	Patrick Dangerfield	33	Mid	14	14.4
GWS	Callan Ward	33	Mid	18	9.3
Geelong	Rhys Stanley	33	Ruck	12	7.8
Brisbane	Dayne Zorko	34	Def	23	12.2
Geelong	Zach Tuohy	34	Mid	17	8.5
Geelong	Tom Hawkins	35	Fwd	12	7.3
Collingwood	Scott Pendlebury	35	Mid	20	12.3
Port Adelaide	Travis Boak	35	Mid	20	8.8
Essendon	Todd Goldstein	35	Ruck	14	9.4