Opinion Culture at Collingwood

[Robroy22]

Bit hard to "Stop the Leaks" when most of them are media generated BS or stuff from bigfooty anyway...stop the internet?

 

[Apex36]

Hey by the way who did leak that story to Robbo at the start of the year?

This pisses me off more than anything. Everything I'd seen during the preseason indicated a reasonably happy and tight knit playing group, playing cohesive footy in the NAB. Then that story breaks on the eve of the premiership season and everything falls apart.
If the story about a certain CEO leaking that story is true, he should be hung drawn and quartered. Took half the season just to get the boys to start playing like a team again...

 

[esc0bar]

Drug test results could've (most likely were) been worse 10 yrs ago than this year.. not a case in point at all because you cant compare...like a poster mentioned above... huge turnout to events like mad monday or whatever it may be show a more unified group... guarantee Hawks end of season celebration has a near full turnout of players and maybe even some staff pop in..

If what OP posted has any element of truth that is very disappointing

Well going off the evidence this year it's clear that recreational drug use at the club is prevelant. It's unclear in comparison to past years and you may be or may not be right. Most drug users arent addicts however and it's strange that the perception of drug use in society is frowned upon much more than alcohol, which I would argue is far more damaging on an athletes performance. Maybe the Mad Monday turnout is indicative of much more sensible and mature group of players who want to start acting like professionals. Who ever said that Mad Monday's are indicative of a clubs success in September?

The Hawks are clearly unified and this would no doubt coincide with the success on field. What comes first though is a more important question. I'd say that winning is a pretty important ingredient to workplace unification.

 

[Mukesh]

What about the senior captain being in Europe whilst some of the playing list are entrenched in a VFL finals series, some of which in their last games of a long and somewhat decorated career?

Ah well. Maybe that's nothing.

No not nothing...if true it's pretty average actually...

 

[CFC2010]

Don't know if it is or should be different at sporting clubs but as an employee, I rarely associated with people I worked with.
Outside of work, we had little in common. Didn't feel left out maybe it was the age and maturity.

Don Scott and Leigh Mathews never spoke to each other as players.........I get the part about not liking you teammate.......I also am not asking for our players to get together and hold hands and sing kumbaya every week!

The problem is this year the Club tried to manufacture some team spirit and soon as the time was up at the "get together" everybody did a runner.

Don't underestimate the damage done within the group when Robbo wrote that article at 5pm Thursday just two days before our season opener against Sydney.

Culture can't be forced has to evolve.

 

[frizzle]

No not nothing...if true it's pretty average actually...

I think it would have been nice to at least be there when Tooves & Caff called it a day. Both premiership team mates.
I wonder how he would feel if the roles were reversed? Swanny was there.

 

[ant22]

Well going off the evidence this year it's clear that recreational drug use at the club is prevelant. It's unclear in comparison to past years and you may be or may not be right. Most drug users arent addicts however and it's strange that the perception of drug use in society is frowned upon much more than alcohol, which I would argue is far more damaging on an athletes performance. Maybe the Mad Monday turnout is indicative of much more sensible and mature group of players who want to start acting like professionals. Who ever said that Mad Monday's are indicative of a clubs success in September?

The Hawks are clearly unified and this would no doubt coincide with the success on field. What comes first though is a more important question. I'd say that winning is a pretty important ingredient to workplace unification.

Not quite. I was at this function where money was raised for the mad monday and it was the saturday night after the players narrowly lost to sydney the night before. More than half the playing group were blind drunk so I am pretty sure it is not an indication of them acting professional.

 

[Mukesh]

Don Scott and Leigh Mathews never spoke to each other as players.........I get the part about not liking you teammate.......I also am not asking for our players to get together and hold hands and sing kumbaya every week!

The problem is this year the Club tried to manufacture some team spirit and soon as the time was up at the "get together" everybody did a runner.

Don't underestimate the damage done within the group when Robbo wrote that article at 5pm Thursday just two days before our season opener against Sydney.

Culture can't be forced has to evolve.

A relo of mine went to school with John Hendrie...private schools boys bla bla bla... apparently Lethal never spoke to anyone, not just Donnie...

 

[Mukesh]

I think it would have been nice to at least be there when Tooves & Caff called it a day. Both premiership team mates.
I wonder how he would feel if the roles were reversed? Swanny was there.

yup...which is why guys will follow Swanny...for better or worse..

 

[Greening Magic]

I think it would have been nice to at least be there when Tooves & Caff called it a day. Both premiership team mates.
I wonder how he would feel if the roles were reversed? Swanny was there.

I don't get this. If the AFL season finishes 4 weeks before the VFL GF people are telling me that everyone needs to hang around to pat them on the back.
Did Pendles make an effort to speak to Caff and Tooves (didn't even play) before he left and wish them well, maybe 'see ya at the Copeland', maybe 'hey come round for dinner when I get back'.
None of you would know if any of these conversations took place.
It doesn't point to good or bad culture in the slightest.

 

[CFC2010]

A relo of mine went to school with John Hendrie...private schools boys bla bla bla... apparently Lethal never spoke to anyone, not just Donnie...

WOW didn't know that........weird he went onto become arguably the best Coach with four Premierships.

 

[Mukesh]

WOW didn't know that........weird he went onto become arguably the best Coach with four Premierships.

Well... he knows the game inside out, makes rational, dispassionate assessments of players and situations plus every player he coached was scared of him. Sounds like a good base to start from... Besides...would you talk to Don Scott ?

 

[No SPIN]

That's not the point. It could be mad Monday or a movie night to finish the season at someones house to playing tiddlywinks.

When a season ends and a bunch of blokes who are expected to get together for one last time to enjoy each others company before they go there own ways for a couple of months can't show up it tells me they are not feeling apart of something. This leads to a greater risk of players leaving.

When people genuinely feel apart of something they are less likely to leave.

When I have been part of a strong local footy club there is always a good turnout for the last player function of the year. When the club has been weak the turnouts have been crap.

You are talking about Mad Monday LAST YEAR. That's 12 mths ago.

What happened this year - all the guys turned up

So why are you using an example of a PAST problem, when things have changed.

 

[Brad Goodman]

A lot of posters seem to have inside knowledge of the club workings and little of it is positive.

I agree with this. Nothing personal at all agains the people who get the info, but the people who give it out are doing wrong.

 

[CFC2010]

You are talking about Mad Monday LAST YEAR. That's 12 mths ago.

What happened this year - all the guys turned up

So why are you using an example of a PAST problem, when things have changed.

Have they changed???

 

[Aishole]

If the mad monday thing is true... Its a bit alarming. I know that at my club (country footy) once we as a team started getting on the piss and enjoying eachothers company off the field, our on field performance got way better. Missing mad monday is a huge indicator of the culture, i missed mine this year as i was sick, and was absolutely pissed off about it. anything else wouldn't have stopped me. Everyone should be there

 

[Ulahoopski]

Right, so some random BF poster writes a bunch of stuff and tells us he got this stuff from "someone" at Collingwood and everyone just laps it up without question? Baaa

 

[Mukesh]

I don't get this. If the AFL season finishes 4 weeks before the VFL GF people are telling me that everyone needs to hang around to pat them on the back.
Did Pendles make an effort to speak to Caff and Tooves (didn't even play) before he left and wish them well, maybe 'see ya at the Copeland', maybe 'hey come round for dinner when I get back'.
None of you would know if any of these conversations took place.
It doesn't point to good or bad culture in the slightest.

Regardless of any private conversations a clubs leader has to lead and just as important be seen to lead...

 

[No SPIN]

Have they changed???

As other have said including APEX above, morale and camaraderie was great until the Robbo story.

Took time to get back to that point as the back end of the season proved.

 

[pugsville]

I have a team of people I manage. If they are unhappy I try and find a solution but more important than that I do whatever I can to create a culture where they are happy. It costs me and the business I run alot of money if I have high staff turnover. The number 1 thing I can do to run a profitable business is to keep my staff happy so they stay.

If I had the attitude if your not happy then go work somewhere else i would not be making a cent.

What If I told you that the pies have a player welfare manager. He works closely with 1st year players in trying to get them settled. First year players get allowances for relocation etc(I believe part of the EBA) I can tell you for a fact that late last year first year players were still chasing moneys owed with this welfare manager. The money should have been paid at the start of the season. What sort of example does this send to people joining an organisation.

What if I told you that last year a senior play organised a function that raised a lot of money to fund their mad Monday celebrations. On the day of the mad monday celebrations only 10 players turned up and only a few of them were senior players. The player who organised this function did not show up because he was too hungover. The few senior players who did show up were very P1ssed off and unhappy with their senior team mates. Williams was once of the few to turn up. Id be pretty confident that at todays mad monday celebrations for the hawks most if not all of list will who up. What does this tell you about the senior leadership in the playing group? This might not seem like much to most but it is the type of thing that can help culture or damage culture.

What If I told you there are young players at that club who feel like they do not know bucks at all. I know Richardson at the saints makes time to sit down with every player on the list once a week during the season. Is this happening at Collingwood and if not, why not?

I have absolutely no doubt that the club has major issues in keeping players happy and developing player relationships.

I just hope Gubby recognizes this and fixes it because I fear Eddie has lost the ability to be objective when he so desperately wants to be proven right with the current coaching situation.

This is just some random crud by some guy on the internet. The internet is full of people with the inside information. You start taking every single guy on the internet at face value until till proven otherwise I can point you at a few Nigerian Princes who has some banking troubles you could help them with.

Really i don't understand why someone would post this if they have the interests of the Collingwood football club, the Collingwood football playing list or the Collingwood fans at heart.

This is someone big noting themselves, sticking the life in, trolling, or trying to address the emptiness they feel about football from Collingwood's poor performances have left by getting some psychotic kickback by blaming people at the club.

Really is there any possible advantage in Collingwood fans trying to pry into the real inmate gongs on at the Collingwood football club? The every whisper true not about alleged goings on needs to be repeated and gone over ad nauseam.

99.9% of everything the internet is crud.

 

[Ulahoopski]

Well going off the evidence this year it's clear that recreational drug use at the club is prevelant. It's unclear in comparison to past years and you may be or may not be right. Most drug users arent addicts however and it's strange that the perception of drug use in society is frowned upon much more than alcohol, which I would argue is far more damaging on an athletes performance. Maybe the Mad Monday turnout is indicative of much more sensible and mature group of players who want to start acting like professionals. Who ever said that Mad Monday's are indicative of a clubs success in September?

The Hawks are clearly unified and this would no doubt coincide with the success on field. What comes first though is a more important question. I'd say that winning is a pretty important ingredient to workplace unification.

Did I miss something? What was this evidence?

 

[No SPIN]

If the mad monday thing is true... Its a bit alarming. I know that at my club (country footy) once we as a team started getting on the piss and enjoying eachothers company off the field, our on field performance got way better. Missing mad monday is a huge indicator of the culture, i missed mine this year as i was sick, and was absolutely pissed off about it. anything else wouldn't have stopped me. Everyone should be there

It was mad monday LAST YEAR.

 

[ant22]

You are talking about Mad Monday LAST YEAR. That's 12 mths ago.

What happened this year - all the guys turned up

So why are you using an example of a PAST problem, when things have changed.

The mad monday thing was 1 thing I brought up because it highlighted to me there was a lack of leadership in the senior playing group. I am no way suggesting the players are not close, in fact I believe they get along well but after the way we finished last year I personally found that disappointing. Especially when I paid $150 for a reverse draw ticket to a function to raise money for the night. I wonder were that money went- Was a good night though.

In terms of the running of the club and other issues I don't believe things have changed all that much at all. In fact they may have gotten worse.

 

[BEEG]

I have a team of people I manage. If they are unhappy I try and find a solution but more important than that I do whatever I can to create a culture where they are happy. It costs me and the business I run alot of money if I have high staff turnover. The number 1 thing I can do to run a profitable business is to keep my staff happy so they stay.

If I had the attitude if your not happy then go work somewhere else i would not be making a cent.

What If I told you that the pies have a player welfare manager. He works closely with 1st year players in trying to get them settled. First year players get allowances for relocation etc(I believe part of the EBA) I can tell you for a fact that late last year first year players were still chasing moneys owed with this welfare manager. The money should have been paid at the start of the season. What sort of example does this send to people joining an organisation.

What if I told you that last year a senior play organised a function that raised a lot of money to fund their mad Monday celebrations. On the day of the mad monday celebrations only 10 players turned up and only a few of them were senior players. The player who organised this function did not show up because he was too hungover. The few senior players who did show up were very P1ssed off and unhappy with their senior team mates. Williams was once of the few to turn up. Id be pretty confident that at todays mad monday celebrations for the hawks most if not all of list will who up. What does this tell you about the senior leadership in the playing group? This might not seem like much to most but it is the type of thing that can help culture or damage culture.

What If I told you there are young players at that club who feel like they do not know bucks at all. I know Richardson at the saints makes time to sit down with every player on the list once a week during the season. Is this happening at Collingwood and if not, why not?

I have absolutely no doubt that the club has major issues in keeping players happy and developing player relationships.

I just hope Gubby recognizes this and fixes it because I fear Eddie has lost the ability to be objective when he so desperately wants to be proven right with the current coaching situation.

Brilliant mate well said.

I saw in the VFL Saturday there were a lot of Dogs players at the game, you could argue they might have been sore, doing rehab and couldn't make it, no they were there to support team mates.

Murphy was at the game supporting his players, Pendles was in Europe putting up pictures on Instagram.

 

[No SPIN]

The mad monday thing was 1 thing I brought up because it highlighted to me there was a lack of leadership in the senior playing group. I am no way suggesting the players are not close, in fact I believe they get along well but after the way we finished last year I personally found that disappointing. Especially when I paid $150 for a reverse draw ticket to a function to raise money for the night. I wonder were that money went- Was a good night though.

In terms of the running of the club and other issues I don't believe things have changed all that much at all. In fact they may have gotten worse.

So your point in bringing up a problem from 12 MONTHS ago, about the players not getting along, that you now agree, is no longer problem, was what exactly?