Opinion Culture at Collingwood

[CFC2010]

Are you saying that you're not happy for Gubby to make changes?

Or are you saying the changes are wrong?

I'd guess most here believe assistant changes were needed - and they probably also think that as good a bloke as NB is, GA is much more likely to get us where we want to go.

So I cant really understand your concerns.

Its ok you missed my point.

By the way IMO Gubby coming to Collingwood is the best thing to happen at our Club since the 2010 Premiership.

Now if we could just get Brian Cook to replace Pert I would be a happy camper.

Rome wasn't built in a day they say!

 

[Saintly Viewed]

best culture is winning culture
Assuming it's legal

 

[ant22]

Sometimes people make things up.
Sometimes people exaggerate.
Sometime people think they know things on the inside.
Sometimes people are accurate.
Sometimes people love to gossip.
Sometimes people put mayo on information.
Sometimes people tell the truth.
Sometimes people have agendas.

Always though, people are people.....

You missed one...Some people cant handle the truth

Just to be clear saintly in regards to a few of the things I have shared most have been built up over 2 years and I am only sharing due to frustrations.

I certainly do not have an agenda, and I am not stupid enough to think anything I say can in anyway influence anything that happens at the club.

In fact I hate hearing negatives about the club.

What I do know is we have not performed as well as I think we should have over the last couple of years and unfortunately what I am sharing simply validates that we should be performing better than we are.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Now if we could just get Brian Cook to replace Pert I would be a happy camper!

Brian Cook is the best CEO on that, spot on.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

You missed one...Some people cant handle the truth

Just to be clear saintly in regards to a few of the things I have shared most have been built up over 2 years and I am only sharing due to frustrations.

I certainly do not have an agenda, and I am not stupid enough to think anything I say can in anyway influence anything that happens at the club.

In fact I hate hearing negatives about the club.

What I do know is we have not performed as well as I think we should have over the last couple of years and unfortunately what I am sharing simply validates that we should be performing better than we are.

Yes I should have put,
Sometimes people can't handle the truth.
Agree on that one.
I did place sometimes people tell the truth etc.

As to your frustration, fair enough too, and expressing it? Fair enough.

I just have a feeling if we win more, amazing how good the place will be.
For what it's worth, I've often wondered which club is really the closest and has great comraderie

 

[ant22]

Yes I should have put,
Sometimes people can't handle the truth.
Agree on that one.
I did place sometimes people tell the truth etc.

As to your frustration, fair enough too, and expressing it? Fair enough.

I just have a feeling if we win more, amazing how good the place will be.
For what it's worth, I've often wondered which club is really the closest and has great comraderie

As I said earlier winning is the best thing you can do to fix culture. Like I said is it the chicken or the Egg?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

As I said earlier winning is the best thing you can do to fix culture. Like I said is it the chicken or the Egg?

As an aside, who from the players at our club are the sociable type, ie the ones that bring people together in a spirit of esprit de cour? (?Spelling)

 

[Mukesh]

You're not serious are you? You realise AFL listed players only get a 8-10 week off-season? Non finalists start pre-season start of November, with many of them returning to the club earlier to get a head start on the pre-season. Are you suggesting that all Collingwood players must delay and reduce their overseas holidays by 4 weeks just to watch a handful of their teammates play in the VFL finals? The dogs are still in the AFL finals, 100% of their list is in Melbourne and still training at the moment. It would be reasonable to expect most of them to go to the team's VFL game. They are yet to be released by the club for the season and are yet to start their 8-10 weeks holidays. I'm incredibly confident that were Collingwood in the same situation as the Dogs, 100% of the boys would have attended. Pendles and a large contingent of Pies players made it to every VFL game possible during the season. How you could criticise players, specifically our captain, for not being there, and to compare it to the Bulldogs, is incredibly unreasonable and lacks consideration. Clutching at straws at its finest.

Since when did 10 week overseas holidays become mandatory...some of these cashed up, pampered Gen Y's need to get a grip... Whats wrong with 10 days at Surfers...

 

[frizzle]

I don't get this. If the AFL season finishes 4 weeks before the VFL GF people are telling me that everyone needs to hang around to pat them on the back.
Did Pendles make an effort to speak to Caff and Tooves (didn't even play) before he left and wish them well, maybe 'see ya at the Copeland', maybe 'hey come round for dinner when I get back'.
None of you would know if any of these conversations took place.
It doesn't point to good or bad culture in the slightest.

Good point & fair call.

 

[Hardas]

Right, so some random BF poster writes a bunch of stuff and tells us he got this stuff from "someone" at Collingwood and everyone just laps it up without question? Baaa

'...everyone just laps it up without question?'

Why do people continually exaggerate like this?

Can't we have a reasonable discussion about the state of play internally if a few regulars here are privy to some goings on?

Of course it's healthy to be skeptical and all, but why so totally dismissive?

FWIW, as an outsider judging it by the on-field performance, I think the group looked much more a team in the second half of the year with the AFL results greatly improved [couldn't've been much worse, I guess], and the VFL killing it for months in a row.

But that doesn't mean I'm not open to discussing possible internal issues at the club.

And by the way, if I ever find myself face to face with Pert at training or somewhere else, I will ask him point blank, and I'd recommend that others do the same.

 

[Hardas]

Since when did 10 week overseas holidays become mandatory...some of these cashed up, pampered Gen Y's need to get a grip... Whats wrong with 10 days at Surfers...

Have you been to Surfers recently?

 

[Roverjg]

WOW didn't know that........weird he went onto become arguably the best Coach with four Premierships.

He is also quite shy

 

[Mukesh]

Have you been to Surfers recently?

God no... I always preferred Burleigh Heads..

 

[surfer1]

Right, so some random BF poster writes a bunch of stuff and tells us he got this stuff from "someone" at Collingwood and everyone just laps it up without question? Baaa

Which is why I read these threads but never reply just shake my head in wonder

 

[Busse]

Also ask people about Leigh Matthews. Great coach and great delegator.
Not considered the best one on one though, but still was a great coach.
I don't know, but assume, only assume, that some coaches are hard people. I'd also assume Clarkson is not a gentle touch.

But at least here on big footy there is ample opportunity to give Buckley a whack. Must be therapeutic for some.

Incidentally I don't get how the club doesn't pay salary on time.

Surely 18 or 19 year olds would see that as arrogance and you would most likely not get the most out of them as possible. Wouldnt take much to just spend a few minutes getting to know your players at least.

I did get some good info of the guy I worked with though, he said Judd was a useless captain during training and around the club, didn't help any of the young guys out came across as very arrogant, he also said he felt sorry for Murphy's mrs as he said he has the smallest pinny he had ever seen. His words not mine haha.

 

[noideaatall]

You're not serious are you? You realise AFL listed players only get a 8-10 week off-season? Non finalists start pre-season start of November, with many of them returning to the club earlier to get a head start on the pre-season. Are you suggesting that all Collingwood players must delay and reduce their overseas holidays by 4 weeks just to watch a handful of their teammates play in the VFL finals? The dogs are still in the AFL finals, 100% of their list is in Melbourne and still training at the moment. It would be reasonable to expect most of them to go to the team's VFL game. They are yet to be released by the club for the season and are yet to start their 8-10 weeks holidays. I'm incredibly confident that were Collingwood in the same situation as the Dogs, 100% of the boys would have attended. Pendles and a large contingent of Pies players made it to every VFL game possible during the season. How you could criticise players, specifically our captain, for not being there, and to compare it to the Bulldogs, is incredibly unreasonable and lacks consideration. Clutching at straws at its finest.

Totally agree with your comment regarding the broader player group but not in relationship to our captain. I don't know what the terms of his employment is with the club or what the AFLPA has to do with how this sort of thing should be set out, but his position is something very special: captain of the biggest sporting club in the land. If he can't make it to support the players under his captaincy then something is wrong. He is not on $40K a year.

 

[jackcass]

You go to the VFL and you can actually see Bucks mingle with players during 1/4 & 3/4 breaks taking individuals aside for 1-1 chats. Hard to imagine that he'd totally ignore any player based on that evidence.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Surely 18 or 19 year olds would see that as arrogance and you would most likely not get the most out of them as possible. Wouldnt take much to just spend a few minutes getting to know your players at least.

I did get some good info of the guy I worked with though, he said Judd was a useless captain during training and around the club, didn't help any of the young guys out came across as very arrogant, he also said he felt sorry for Murphy's mrs as he said he has the smallest pinny he had ever seen. His words not mine haha.

Can't imagine what could be better in Europe?

 

[magpielicious]

I think it would have been nice to at least be there when Tooves & Caff called it a day. Both premiership team mates.
I wonder how he would feel if the roles were reversed? Swanny was there.

whatever the reason, the captain should have been at the ground supporting the team, not gallivanting around Europe. He could have left this week and come back later. Pretty poor effort.

 

[Ulahoopski]

'...everyone just laps it up without question?'

Why do people continually exaggerate like this?

Can't we have a reasonable discussion about the state of play internally if a few regulars here are privy to some goings on?

Of course it's healthy to be skeptical and all, but why so totally dismissive?

FWIW, as an outsider judging it by the on-field performance, I think the group looked much more a team in the second half of the year with the AFL results greatly improved [couldn't've been much worse, I guess], and the VFL killing it for months in a row.

But that doesn't mean I'm not open to discussing possible internal issues at the club.

And by the way, if I ever find myself face to face with Pert at training or somewhere else, I will ask him point blank, and I'd recommend that others do the same.

Isn't that itself an exaggeration? Pot, Kettle and all that?
The question I'm asking is why do people, including you, assume that any "regular" is privy to some goings on and why would anyone want to discuss possible internal issues based on such an assumption? What does that achieve? It's like having a discussion with an imaginary friend who told you what he heard from "a source". What if I told you that tonight's lottto numbers will be 5, 6, 14, 24, 33 and 1? Look forward to that discussion.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Our season finished nearly a month ago, players are going to take off. The Dogs are still in it. They aren't going anywhere so they may as well go to the VFL. Even then, they weren't all there.
Swanny is in no hurry to take off overseas because he has no preseason to come back to. There is no guarantee that he would have been at the VFL game had he been continuing next year. IMO he would have been partying in Majorca.
As for the comment earlier about following Swanny, yeah well.......not always a good thing.
One more thing. After a flag and official function, it's not unusual for players to take off with their own groups and do their own thing. It's more prevalent now than ever. Remember Beams?

 

[BEEG]

You're not serious are you? You realise AFL listed players only get a 8-10 week off-season? Non finalists start pre-season start of November, with many of them returning to the club earlier to get a head start on the pre-season. Are you suggesting that all Collingwood players must delay and reduce their overseas holidays by 4 weeks just to watch a handful of their teammates play in the VFL finals? The dogs are still in the AFL finals, 100% of their list is in Melbourne and still training at the moment. It would be reasonable to expect most of them to go to the team's VFL game. They are yet to be released by the club for the season and are yet to start their 8-10 weeks holidays. I'm incredibly confident that were Collingwood in the same situation as the Dogs, 100% of the boys would have attended. Pendles and a large contingent of Pies players made it to every VFL game possible during the season. How you could criticise players, specifically our captain, for not being there, and to compare it to the Bulldogs, is incredibly unreasonable and lacks consideration. Clutching at straws at its finest.

Deadly serious, do you understand some of the extra responsibilities that come with being in the leadership squad and captain?

He is the face of the club, the leader of the club, how would it look if the assistant coaches didn't turn up or the president?

December 2 is around the date the first 4 year players return, the senior players are usually a few weeks later it's alot longer then your 8-10 weeks.

I honestly doubt you would see many club captains not at there VFL teams preliminary final, If your all for just doing the minimum as a club you must be pumped with where we sit on the ladder.

 

[TradeDraft]

This pisses me off more than anything. Everything I'd seen during the preseason indicated a reasonably happy and tight knit playing group, playing cohesive footy in the NAB. Then that story breaks on the eve of the premiership season and everything falls apart.
If the story about a certain CEO leaking that story is true, he should be hung drawn and quartered. Took half the season just to get the boys to start playing like a team again...

But this so Called CEO looks after the AFL Baby

 

[Apex36]

But this so Called CEO looks after the AFL Baby

I think we're talking about different CEO's Dave. The one I'm referring to is much closer to home.

 

[BEEG]

Are you convinced, a miracle, of trading "back in" ALL the guys we lost gets us a flag in the last 3 years?
I say no - and it would have put us way behind where we are today in our rebuild.

So trading these guys early has meant we contend sooner.

Yep 11th spot this year, lucky we traded them could have finished 12th instead.

I have no problem with trading the players, once again you have targeted a post and made up something, I said people on this board need to understand clearly we have issues inside the club as you don't have a turnover like we have and perform so badly on field.