News Cyril and Shannyn Rioli speak to Caro - link to club statement in page 8

[Hawthorn23]

Some further developments to the story in the video below:

Mod edit: it’s a must watch for anyone reading this thread.

 

[CJ To Finn]

Ian Silk not Burgoyne Silk

Sorry, Very stupid of me! But we definitely need indigenous presidents, coaches and captains in the AFL to help fix this

 

[Realist]

This article is a total hatchet job from Caro on our great club. While Jeff is the focus due to his profile, he was not president for Cyril’s entire tenure at Hawthorn and many of the incidents alluded to took place when Jeff was not president.
The article implicates great servants of the club such as Hodge, Lewis, Roughead, Dicker, Clarkson, Robson, Fox, Fagan, Wright, Evans, Newbold, Mitchell who were all in leadership positions at the club in Cyril’s time and are therefore, according to the article, complicit in the racism directed toward The Riolis or the unwillingness to make change.
Nowhere in the article does Wilson give any of these people an opportunity to give the club’s side of the story.
I’m no fan of Jeff, he needs to go, but this article is an attempt at derailing our club by Wilson, again.
I’m sure what the Riolis are saying has foundation, but to just blame Jeff is not fair and it’s also not fair to implicate so many greats of our club without giving them an opportunity to give their side too.


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[A Diakos]

To me it seems Burgoyne lives in Adelaide and works for a rival club now? Didn’t hang around for long once he retired. Wonder why?

Did you see him in the rooms after the port win Saturday night ?

The guy lived in my area I have friends that know him …nothing but love for the hawks

He went to Adelaide as that’s where his family is and from

Don’t imply rubbish like Caro

 

[TazHawk15]

I don’t care what it takes but the club must do everything in its power to fix this, once Kennett is gonski.

 

[Billyc]

Genuine question for mods or those with connections to the club - what can we do to put extra pressure on the club to reform the culture and learn and grow? I am an interstate Gold member, would an email have any impact?

Force the president out. A group had the necessary momentum to do it last year but blinked and instead we now have this stretched out process with no locked in exit. The culture cannot reform while he remains and even the compromise that was reached smacks of not taking it seriously enough. He’s not the only one who should go. The enablers and yes men need to go too

 

[Pessimistic]

This article is a total hatchet job from Caro on our great club. While Jeff is the focus due to his profile, he was not president for Cyril’s entire tenure at Hawthorn and many of the incidents alluded to took place when Jeff was not president.
The article implicates great servants of the club such as Hodge, Lewis, Roughead, Dicker, Clarkson, Robson, Fox, Fagan, Wright, Evans, Newbold, Mitchell who were all in leadership positions at the club in Cyril’s time and are therefore, according to the article, complicit in the racism directed toward The Riolis or the unwillingness to make change.
Nowhere in the article does Wilson give any of these people an opportunity to give the club’s side of the story.
I’m no fan of Jeff, he needs to go, but this article is an attempt at derailing our club by Wilson, again.
I’m sure what the Riolis are saying has foundation, but to just blame Jeff is not fair and it’s also not fair to implicate so many greats of our club without giving them an opportunity to give their side too.


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That is true too. If the story is to come out, it would be better not to be Caro. It’s a bit of a dirty bomb than a clean snipe

 

[A Diakos]

Just remember

Chad Wingard

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Chad Wingard

Age

31

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.2

3star

has declared he loves hawthorn and did not entertain leaving last November

None of buddy burger mark Williams Bateman have declared such issues

Burger had a huge grin sat night after port game in the hawk rooms and you could hear the love for hawthorn in his commentary when we were belting his other club port

How Cyril feels is unfortunate and we do need to learn and investigate esp the alleged “boong “ comment which is disgraceful if true

We at hawthorn family en mass love Cyril

Carlos article is agenda driven in tone and does not provide balanced representation of hawthorn fc and it’s extended family

I hope we can reconcile with Cyril because we as hawthorn supporters love him

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Nope that’s not what I’m “arguing “ at all

Merely pointing out that Chad chose to stay and has declared his love for the hawks

Burger loves the hawks Bateman loves the hawks buddy will turn up to all reunions and has fond memories at the hawks

These are all facts ….

If there where wrong doings against Cyril then address them and name the player who allegedly made the “boong “ comment

I love Cyril he is perhaps my second favourite all time hawk behind Dermott ..and burger is right up there too

It is what you’re arguing. You’re implying Cyril is wrong because Chad Wingard plays for the club and so did Burgoyne and Bateman.

 

[Billyc]

If your take out from this story is to criticise Caroline Wilson, you need to take a good hard look at yourself. You also probably booed Adam Goodes but still claim it was because he was a sook or a flog.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

If your take out from this story is to criticise Caroline Wilson, you need to take a good hard look at yourself. You also probably booed Adam Goodes but still claim it was because he was a sook or a flog.

Oh mate - Caro obviously sat down with Cyril and did an extensive piece on him because she knew we’d start 2-0 and be playing a resurgent Carlton this week.

 

[Yardie]

Outsider here but I found this article really heartbreaking and have an enormous amount of respect for Cyril and Shannyn for putting this on the agenda knowing the attention it will receive.

The most devastating thing in the article IMO is the racist comment from an unnamed senior player and the way it was brushed aside by your leadership group. Buddy and Cyril were arguably your two biggest stars at that point and it’s almost unfathomable, not that the comment could happen because racism is still prevalent in our society, but what the outcome was.

This is not a ‘Hawthorn v Geelong’ thing and I’m sure similar incidents occur at all clubs. It’s just staggering to read how this directly led to the early retirement of one of your greats, who was a match winner on the field but always seemed like a quality person off the field as well.

There's a whole lot of stuff to unpack in that article. But the bolded is the most disappointing.

Looks like we have a lot of work to do at the club.

And thanks to Cyril and Shannyn for speaking out and making us fully aware of the overall picture.

 

[Pessimistic]

That didn’t take long

 

[Sixpence]

There's some pretty damning tidbits in there, the "also a b***g" comment from a senior player, the leadership group fobbing off his complaint, the comments from coaches about the "black fellas" sitting together, the lack of support for players like Amos, Shannyn's calls for more cultural awareness going unanswered, etc and we're sitting here arguing whether Jeff's comment was or wasn't racist. FMD, no wonder nothing changes.

Those first three points are particularly disappointing to hear.

Jeff's comment was clearly the tip of the iceberg, I want him gone but let's not pretend the issues go with him. The club has work to do. I'm glad Sam has already taken some steps towards this.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

On th b***g comment. It sounds like a non Victorian player, perhaps from WA, and only a few indigenous hawks players have wives

That slur is pretty universal - I’ve heard it across the country. I’ve got a Victorian relative who casually refers to Indigenous players as ‘b**ng players’ to this day.

 

[Yardie]

help me understand.

he shouldn’t have made the joke because she was indigenous?

or he shouldn’t have made the joke because it was stupid for an old guy to comment on women’s clothing without it potentially blowing up in a way that he hadn’t intended?

To me it is about understanding and education. Jeff made a joke and it was taken in a way that he didn't expect. As far as I am aware Jeff just brushed her concerns aside. Let's have a sliding door moment.

Jeff sits down with Shannyn, hears her side of the story, listens and comprehends how what he said made her feel. Outcome could have been Jeff coming out on the front foot saying that he made an insensitive remark that he thought wasn't said in a racist manner but after talking to Shannyn he now sees that we still have underlying casual racism in our society. He then expresses that he is going to learn from his mistake and do better and urge everyone in the community to do the same. That would be leadership.

 

[checkraiseulite]

To me it is about understanding and education. Jeff made a joke and it was taken in a way that he didn't expect. As far as I am aware Jeff just brushed her concerns aside. Let's have a sliding door moment.

Jeff sits down with Shannyn, hears her side of the story, listens and comprehends how what he said made her feel. Outcome could have been Jeff coming out on the front foot saying that he made an insensitive remark that he thought wasn't said in a racist manner but after talking to Shannyn he now sees that we still have underlying casual racism in our society. He then expresses that he is going to learn from his mistake and do better and urge everyone in the community to do the same. That would be leadership.

isn’t that exactly what happpened?

 

[Jaeger]

Heartbreaking.

 

[Tassie Cryptik]

isn’t that exactly what happpened?

No.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

isn’t that exactly what happpened?

Did you read the article? He talked over her in a meeting and basically said she had an apology wasn’t that good enough.

 

[CJ To Finn]

To me it is about understanding and education. Jeff made a joke and it was taken in a way that he didn't expect. As far as I am aware Jeff just brushed her concerns aside. Let's have a sliding door moment.

Jeff sits down with Shannyn, hears her side of the story, listens and comprehends how what he said made her feel. Outcome could have been Jeff coming out on the front foot saying that he made an insensitive remark that he thought wasn't said in a racist manner but after talking to Shannyn he now sees that we still have underlying casual racism in our society. He then expresses that he is going to learn from his mistake and do better and urge everyone in the community to do the same. That would be leadership.

Agree Yardie, The texts and letter from Jeff would have just been seen as a brush off wanting to make him feel better rather than a genuine attempt at understanding through sitting down or talking

 

[checkraiseulite]

Agree Yardie, The texts and letter from Jeff would have just been seen as a brush off wanting to make him feel better rather than a genuine attempt at understanding through sitting down or talking

in hindsight the club should have got an aboriginal mediator involved in the process.


as someone who has sat in countless mediations it’s very difficult to resolve disputes when the parties are very different and issues of perception involved without an independent professional mediator facilitating that discussion.

 

[WWSD]

How’s Kennett still President?! It’s embarrassing.

 

[A Diakos]

It is what you’re arguing. You’re implying Cyril is wrong because Chad Wingard plays for the club and so did Burgoyne and Bateman.

No it isn’t …you know me better than myself do you ?

I’m not implying Cyril is wrong in how he feels or that there may be cause for such feelings

I’m stating that Caro is a gutter journalist and the article in tone is agenda driven

I’m stating that none of burger buddy Bateman Chad (who chose to stay ) have expressed the same feelings ..burgers smile in the hawk rooms sat night after port belting was heartwarming

I m not arguing …these are facts with the exception of Caro comment which is my opinion

 

[Ned Ryerson]

in hindsight the club should have got an aboriginal mediator involved in the process.


as someone who has sat in countless mediations it’s very difficult to resolve disputes when the parties are very different and issues of perception involved without an independent professional mediator facilitating that discussion.

Took me many years of marriage (which came after many years of living together) for me to finally grasp the point that if I’d said something that hurt her feelings that arguing that it wasn’t my intent was a waste of time. Feelings have been hurt so you need to acknowledge and move on. Trying to continually badger the other party about your intentions will do absolutely zero to resolve things.

 

[ahhhhhh]

No it isn’t …you know me better than myself do you ?

I’m not implying Cyril is wrong in how he feels or that there may be cause for such feelings

I’m stating that Caro is a gutter journalist and the article in tone is agenda driven

I’m stating that none of burger buddy Bateman Chad (who chose to stay ) have expressed the same feelings ..burgers smile in the hawk rooms sat night after port belting was heartwarming

I m not arguing …these are facts with the exception of Caro comment which is my opinion

Seriously stop replying.