Dangerfield - How close to elite is he

[Elder van Berlo]

the tiniest weakness he has is probably blazing away when under pressure. The truly elite can pick out a team mate with precision under extreme pressure. If improves that part of his game he'll be unstoppable. He's shown glimpses, in the 'Raging Bull' video on the AFL website the first passage of play/vision is exactly what he needs to try do more often, lower his eyes when under pressure and show some composure.

I think this is probably not as much of a weakness as people make it out to be. One of those things where there is a time lag between performance and reputation. I reckon Danger's kicking has been above average this year, even under pressure. There was one outrageous kick in congestion where he hit Douglas lace out in the second quarter on Saturday. But his reputation precedes him and everyone still thinks he is an ordinary kick.

 

[TIPPETT IS AMAZING]

Dangerfeild is in his own league theres no player better than him hes the best midfielder EVER

 

[headache1]

Dangerfeild is in his own league theres no player better than him hes the best midfielder EVER

This guy...

 

[NTRabbit]

He's not going to win the coaches votes, but he could still place if he picks up 7-10 votes a game for the last three fixtures

 

[crowsarethebest]

I think this is probably not as much of a weakness as people make it out to be. One of those things where there is a time lag between performance and reputation. I reckon Danger's kicking has been above average this year, even under pressure. There was one outrageous kick in congestion where he hit Douglas lace out in the second quarter on Saturday. But his reputation precedes him and everyone still thinks he is an ordinary kick.

That's the play that was in the highlights on the AFL website. He can do it but he doesn't do it consistently enough, tends to go for a quick roost forward instead of spotting up a target and lowering his eyes. If he works on that he'll be the best player in the league. Trent Cotchin is one who is amazing at spotting up a target in congestion, amazing poise, vision and skill.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

All Danger needs is a big September and he would have truly stamped himself on the competition

 

[Glenno23]

Seriously - sign Mackay up now. That's the most aggressive and purposeful I've seen him. He wants to play with us and if we can get him to bust out of his shell like that more regularly he'll become a match winner.

Can you imagine the roar if he kicked a goal like that in a home final with 50K people there?

Would be amazing

 

[SydCrow]

Can you imagine the roar if he kicked a goal like that in a home final with 50K people there?

Would be amazing

2008 Elimination final against Collingwood?

 

[NikkiNoo]

Interesting question was asked on Insider last night.

Parkin and Eade were asked, if they could draft one player from the three listed, who would you take? Dangerfield, Cotchin or Beams.

Parkin did not hesitate and named Danger, said the others are fine players but they can't take a game apart like Danger can. Eade then said it's only fair he takes Beams out of the equation as he works, so out of the other two he would have agreed with Parkin for the same reasons, so then said oh I suppose I should pick Cotchin then.

 

[Hank93]

To think there were reports Daniel Menzel could have been involved in a Danger trade.

Worst report of the year!

 

[beartoo]

I have a feeling that report came from Daniel Menzel.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interesting question was asked on Insider last night.

Parkin and Eade were asked, if they could draft one player from the three listed, who would you take? Dangerfield, Cotchin or Beams.

Parkin did not hesitate and named Danger, said the others are fine players but they can't take a game apart like Danger can. Eade then said it's only fair he takes Beams out of the equation as he works, so out of the other two he would have agreed with Parkin for the same reasons, so then said oh I suppose I should pick Cotchin then.

All 3 are great young talents, but very happy we have Dangerfield. Like Riccuito with Judd like pace.

 

[knobby]

He's not going to win the coaches votes, but he could still place if he picks up 7-10 votes a game for the last three fixtures

Be interesting to see how he goes in the Brownlow Medal when he is BOG it is fairly noticeable, not saying he will win it but his games against PA, Sydney, Carlton, Essendon and Fremantle should attract votes, likewise first game against Freo, although you would hope umps would get it right and give R Sloane 3

 

[TheCrouchingCrow]

Be interesting to see how he goes in the Brownlow Medal when he is BOG it is fairly noticeable, not saying he will win it but his games against PA, Sydney, Carlton, Essendon and Fremantle should attract votes, likewise first game against Freo, although you would hope umps would get it right and give R Sloane 3

In terms of Coaches Votes converted to a 3-2-1 format, I have this current top 10 of the players I'm following who all should feature highly. Boyd is on like 20 votes or something in this format, but I don't think he has any chance.
23 - Cotchin
21 - Dangerfield
18 - Watson
17 - Swan, Kennedy, Ablett
16 - Thompson, Beams, Selwood*, Pavlich*
15 - Mitchell, Pendlebury.

I'm not sure how accurate this translation would be, because everyone knows, Umpires notice the big name players, and for a relatively unknown player to poll they'd have to play a blinder to feature in the votes.
This is what I think is in Watson's favour. Even though he has been in the top 5 for the Bombers for most of Essendon's matches, because he is a big name player, he will be noticed more, and therefore, feature more prominently in the votes than a lesser named player.
For example, I've followed two other 3-2-1 systems, and then averaged the scores, rounding up to see what they're averaging across 20 rounds. For the Coaches Votes in the early games this season (1-10) when the Bombers were winning, Watson got 7 votes via the AFLCA, but via the other sources, he averaged 18.5 votes. This shows that whilst the Coaches who have a birdseye view, surveying the game, and understanding who has been the most dominate on the field , leading to a victory, the Umpires may only be able to recognise most frequently those big name players, therefore resulting in a greater discrepancy in votes, and thus giving a lead to Watson:
25 - Watson
22 - Thompson
20 - Dangerfield, Swan
19 - Selwood*
18 - Kennedy, Pavlich*

I personally think Dangerfield will finish top 3-5 this year, and the only chance he has to win it is by getting 6+ votes over the last 3 games. But he needs to work on his consistency to get to the level that we see from Watson to get those 1-2 vote games in losses, which are very important winning Brownlows. So far, the only game he has polled in a loss is against Geelong. Lucky we have a soft draw the last 3 (Y)

 

[Hobbes]

In terms of Coaches Votes converted to a 3-2-1 format, I have this current top 10 of the players I'm following who all should feature highly. Boyd is on like 20 votes or something in this format, but I don't think he has any chance.
23 - Cotchin
21 - Dangerfield
18 - Watson
17 - Swan, Kennedy, Ablett
16 - Thompson, Beams, Selwood*, Pavlich*
15 - Mitchell, Pendlebury.

I'm not sure how accurate this translation would be, because everyone knows, Umpires notice the big name players, and for a relatively unknown player to poll they'd have to play a blinder to feature in the votes.
This is what I think is in Watson's favour. Even though he has been in the top 5 for the Bombers for most of Essendon's matches, because he is a big name player, he will be noticed more, and therefore, feature more prominently in the votes than a lesser named player.
For example, I've followed two other 3-2-1 systems, and then averaged the scores, rounding up to see what they're averaging across 20 rounds. For the Coaches Votes in the early games this season (1-10) when the Bombers were winning, Watson got 7 votes via the AFLCA, but via the other sources, he averaged 18.5 votes. This shows that whilst the Coaches who have a birdseye view, surveying the game, and understanding who has been the most dominate on the field , leading to a victory, the Umpires may only be able to recognise most frequently those big name players, therefore resulting in a greater discrepancy in votes, and thus giving a lead to Watson:
25 - Watson
22 - Thompson
20 - Dangerfield, Swan
19 - Selwood*
18 - Kennedy, Pavlich*

I personally think Dangerfield will finish top 3-5 this year, and the only chance he has to win it is by getting 6+ votes over the last 3 games. But he needs to work on his consistency to get to the level that we see from Watson to get those 1-2 vote games in losses, which are very important winning Brownlows. So far, the only game he has polled in a loss is against Geelong. Lucky we have a soft draw the last 3 (Y)

I think I'd rather he be working hard to not have those losses. Essendon seem to be maximising Jobe's polling in losses by losing most of their matches.

 

[Mismatched]

Interesting question was asked on Insider last night.

Parkin and Eade were asked, if they could draft one player from the three listed, who would you take? Dangerfield, Cotchin or Beams.

Parkin did not hesitate and named Danger, said the others are fine players but they can't take a game apart like Danger can. Eade then said it's only fair he takes Beams out of the equation as he works, so out of the other two he would have agreed with Parkin for the same reasons, so then said oh I suppose I should pick Cotchin then.

The Cotchin v Dangerfield one is really tough, both will be absolute superstars however both are such different players. Its like comparing Ablett to Judd or as a Crows supporter McLeod to Ricciuto. I love Patty, but gee I like Cotchin too. Just watching some of the things Cotchin can do with a football, his poise, balance, lateral movement, vision, touch and skill is just unbelievable, he has the potential to be every bit as good as Garry Ablett Jnr.

I haven't seen or taken enough notice of Beams of late to compare him to the other two.

 

[TIPPETT IS AMAZING]

This guy...

HES AMAZING!!

 

[Glenno23]

The Cotchin v Dangerfield one is really tough, both will be absolute superstars however both are such different players. Its like comparing Ablett to Judd or as a Crows supporter McLeod to Ricciuto. I love Patty, but gee I like Cotchin too. Just watching some of the things Cotchin can do with a football, his poise, balance, lateral movement, vision, touch and skill is just unbelievable, he has the potential to be every bit as good as Garry Ablett Jnr.

I haven't seen or taken enough notice of Beams of late to compare him to the other two.

Beams is a freak James. Absolute star the kid will be

I'd take any of the 3, but am happy with Danger. I like your comparison of Cotchin to Ablett Jnr, very apt

If you can, try and watch Beams play some games, its awesome. You'd expect all 3 to be in the top 5 players in the AFL in 2 years

 

[PykeDream]

In terms of Coaches Votes converted to a 3-2-1 format, I have this current top 10 of the players I'm following who all should feature highly. Boyd is on like 20 votes or something in this format, but I don't think he has any chance.
23 - Cotchin
21 - Dangerfield
18 - Watson
17 - Swan, Kennedy, Ablett
16 - Thompson, Beams, Selwood*, Pavlich*
15 - Mitchell, Pendlebury.

I'm not sure how accurate this translation would be, because everyone knows, Umpires notice the big name players, and for a relatively unknown player to poll they'd have to play a blinder to feature in the votes.
This is what I think is in Watson's favour. Even though he has been in the top 5 for the Bombers for most of Essendon's matches, because he is a big name player, he will be noticed more, and therefore, feature more prominently in the votes than a lesser named player.
For example, I've followed two other 3-2-1 systems, and then averaged the scores, rounding up to see what they're averaging across 20 rounds. For the Coaches Votes in the early games this season (1-10) when the Bombers were winning, Watson got 7 votes via the AFLCA, but via the other sources, he averaged 18.5 votes. This shows that whilst the Coaches who have a birdseye view, surveying the game, and understanding who has been the most dominate on the field , leading to a victory, the Umpires may only be able to recognise most frequently those big name players, therefore resulting in a greater discrepancy in votes, and thus giving a lead to Watson:
25 - Watson
22 - Thompson
20 - Dangerfield, Swan
19 - Selwood*
18 - Kennedy, Pavlich*

I personally think Dangerfield will finish top 3-5 this year, and the only chance he has to win it is by getting 6+ votes over the last 3 games. But he needs to work on his consistency to get to the level that we see from Watson to get those 1-2 vote games in losses, which are very important winning Brownlows. So far, the only game he has polled in a loss is against Geelong. Lucky we have a soft draw the last 3 (Y)

The problem with Dangerfield in terms of Brownlow and Coaches awards, is that he just doesn't rock up against minnows. If it's not a contest, he just doesn't bother - which is fair enough provided he puts in effort if the result doesn't look like going the way we planned. If anything it'll help keep fresh and ready to go for the tough matches against top teams. Of our four losses, he's been our BOG in two and in our top three in one - with the North game being the only one where he really didn't fire.

Against easy teams this year

GC - 25d, 2.0, 2t Best minnow performance this year, in Round 1.
WB - 18d, 1.0, 1t Probably worst game of the year.
GWS (Home) - 24d, 1t
Port (Away) - 22d, 1.1, 3t
GWS (Away) - 22d, 0.2, 3t

Patrick Dangerfield - AFL's worst downhill skier.

 

[TheCrouchingCrow]

The problem with Dangerfield in terms of Brownlow and Coaches awards, is that he just doesn't rock up against minnows. If it's not a contest, he just doesn't bother - which is fair enough provided he puts in effort if the result doesn't look like going the way we planned. If anything it'll help keep fresh and ready to go for the tough matches against top teams. Of our four losses, he's been our BOG in two and in our top three in one - with the North game being the only one where he really didn't fire.

Against easy teams this year

GC - 25d, 2.0, 2t Best minnow performance this year, in Round 1.
WB - 18d, 1.0, 1t Probably worst game of the year.
GWS (Home) - 24d, 1t
Port (Away) - 22d, 1.1, 3t
GWS (Away) - 22d, 0.2, 3t

Patrick Dangerfield - AFL's worst downhill skier.

Delist.

 

[robboaustralia]

Article on AFL website. Sounds promising.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-01/danger-signs-good-for-crows

 

[AFC3000]

Article on AFL website. Sounds promising.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-01/danger-signs-good-for-crows

I just posted the link to the interview from SENs site in the media thread if you wanted to listen.

 

[JP Sauce]

The real question is:

How close is elite to Dangerfield?

 

[40porpoise]

Interesting debate now in 2014. He's definitely elite, but to be honest with you he hasn't developed and ironed out his weaknesses as well as I would've hoped. Still makes a few costly mistakes and goes missing every now and then.

Don't get me wrong I love our Danger, I just thought he would've surpassed ablett by now, or at least be streets ahead of the rest of the pack (pendlebury Watson selwood etc.)...basically I'm just disappointed that there's still debate about who the 2nd best player in the competition is, I thought he would have put it beyond doubt by now.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I don't think Dangerfield even rates a mention when discussing the second best player in the league.