Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[The Punter]

And there were many who did. Teachers, for instance.


Honestly I don't know much about the Cain government. I was talking about Kennett.

"At this time unions and other left-wing organisations coined the term "Jeffed" as a euphemism for words connotating deception and abuse. The term refers to Jeffrey Kennett. It was a very common phrase on placards and other public slogans in rallies at the time."

Badge - I've Been Jeffed, Australian Nurses Federation, Victorian Branch, Victoria, Australia, 1992

Alternative Name(s): Button Badge issued by the Australian Nurses Federation, Victorian Branch, 1992 Upon election of the state Liberal Government on 3rd October 1992, union and other left-wing bodies organised protests, rallies, and fairs, including a "Fair Go Jeff Affair" at the Treasury...

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These are facts, yes.

If I do a little Wikipedia reading (this was all 25+ years ago), I see Kirner also introduced the first endangered species protection legislation.

Kennett closed tech schools and sacked 7,000 teachers. Skills shortages ensued. Skilled migration followed.

So, really, if people are having a spit about migration into Victoria in the 10's and beyond (and whatever social, infrastructure, and housing issues they think arose from that)...

The Cain Government's spending habits are relevant because it was from this watermark that spending was necessarily cut. For all the current government's profligate spending, the actual balance sheet was much worse in 1992, so much so that advice was a run on superannuation entitlements may have left the state insolvent. Things were much worse then than they are now. The previous government is the context under which the seven years of the Kennett Government must be understood.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Kennett's strategy seemed to be austerity, cut funding (particularly if you were, say, in the arts and criticised his government), sack everyone, sell everything.

His privatising of the train and tram network was a mess that promised a lot but delivered a turd to which is still being fixed today

These gems of genius really helped:

*Split a unified train network in two.
*Get the new operators to the refurbish comeng the fleet making them incompatible
*Order some new trains that can't run on each other's side of the network.

The last point in a twist of irony the Liberals found out the hard way when they wanted to put an Xtrapolis on the Frankston line.

 

[peetoo]

Some case studies on how to screw up outsourcing under Kennett regime.

They got geniuses from the UK govt out here to guide them.

UK rail is now being re nationalised and the population is keen for that

 

[Saint]

The PT privatisation was always doomed to failure because it's a public service.

The only benefit for Governments is that they get to out-source negotiations with the RTBU.

So when they go on strike, it's a private matter, not a Government problem.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Some case studies on how to screw up outsourcing under Kennett regime.

They got geniuses from the UK govt out here to guide them.

UK rail is now being re nationalised and the population is keen for that

I can tell you now from experience the UK rail managers are some of the single most useless people on earth.

 

[Sttew]

His privatising of the train and tram network was a mess that promised a lot but delivered a turd to which is still being fixed today

But that was more than 30 years ago. If it was that bad why didn't any successive government reverse it? Don't forget, we've had Labor governments for something like 24 out of the last 28 years

 

[Sttew]

Some case studies on how to screw up outsourcing under Kennett regime.

They got geniuses from the UK govt out here to guide them.

UK rail is now being re nationalised and the population is keen for that

Its not like Labor hasn't gone down the privatisation path? Ports, VicRoads. They looked at Births Deaths & Marriages, but nobody was prepared to pay the price.

Joan Kirner sold 51% of the Loy Yang B power station in 1992.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

But that was more than 30 years ago. If it was that bad why didn't any successive government reverse it? Don't forget, we've had Labor governments for something like 24 out of the last 28 years

They did for the most part. A lot of the mess from that initial split was cleaned up to the best they could.
The only thing not done was get rid of operators all together. Even then the contracts today are much stricter than back then.

 

[Chief]

The Cain Government's spending habits are relevant because it was from this watermark that spending was necessarily cut. For all the current government's profligate spending, the actual balance sheet was much worse in 1992, so much so that advice was a run on superannuation entitlements may have left the state insolvent. Things were much worse then than they are now. The previous government is the context under which the seven years of the Kennett Government must be understood.

Kennett laid much of the pain on workers and public services, short term responses that have reverberated through the decades. Those were his decisions.

 

[Gough]

Kennett laid much of the pain on workers and public services, short term responses that have reverberated through the decades. Those were his decisions.

He didn't want to do that though, or sell off public assets to his mates, Labor forced him to.

 

[Sttew]

He didn't want to do that though, or sell off public assets to his mates, Labor forced him to.

As pointed out earlier, Labor started the sell off with Loy Yang in 1992.

Tell us what the alternative was in 1992?

And who are the mates he sold assets off to?

At least he didn't get into bed with a corrupt entity like a CFMEU and drive construction costs through the roof.

 

[burge13]

I can tell you now from experience the UK rail managers are some of the single most useless people on earth.

Prerequisite to work at AFL house. They're set if they move over here!

 

[The Punter]

Kennett laid much of the pain on workers and public services, short term responses that have reverberated through the decades. Those were his decisions.

With a minimal tax base to begin with, I understand those decisions. The economy had to recover before any consideration of increasing the tax intake (through widening taxation or increasing rates) was considered. So he chose to lay the pain on those he could. I'm not denying Kennett made choices. I would recommend cutting a large number of mid-high level public service jobs (in departments and agencies) right now.

 

[QuietB]

Here's an amazing coincidence.

More than 10 months ago the Andrews government abolished planning laws for granny flats built in back gardens.

I am told by a very reliable source that Dan has partnered with a Chinese company to import prefabricated granny flats manufactured in China.

And? Peter Dutton has a net worth of $300m on the back of receiving child care subsidies to pay for his property portfolio.

 

[QuietB]

Citilink cost $2.2 billion to build. They have collected $13 billion in tolls so far plus who knows how many government subsidies and the contract still has 21 years to run. And will inevitably be extended - again.

How good is privatisation

 

[Sttew]

And? Peter Dutton has a net worth of $300m on the back of receiving child care subsidies to pay for his property portfolio.

Wow! Bit behind. My post was from July.

And the point I was making was the "coincidence" in Andrews having the planning legislation changed not long before he reportedly started a new business that will benefit directly from the change in legislation. Seems the coincidence was too subtle for you?

Did Dutton do the same thing? Don't worry about answering that question because this thread is not about Dutton anyway

 

[The Punter]

Citilink cost $2.2 billion to build. They have collected $13 billion in tolls so far plus who knows how many government subsidies and the contract still has 21 years to run. And will inevitably be extended - again.

How good is privatisation

IIRC the initial announced plan was for tolls to be about finished by now on the original City Link. Who keeps entering agreements to extend them? Kennett lost almost exactly the same time the original City Link was opened.

 

[Chief]

With a minimal tax base to begin with, I understand those decisions. The economy had to recover before any consideration of increasing the tax intake (through widening taxation or increasing rates) was considered. So he chose to lay the pain on those he could. I'm not denying Kennett made choices. I would recommend cutting a large number of mid-high level public service jobs (in departments and agencies) right now.

Unfortunately, when the good times come, the workers are told that things still aren't as good as they could be and they should shut up. They are blamed all the time. Unions shut down. "Wage price spiral" myths thrown at people.

When all along it was really...

 

[QuietB]

IIRC the initial announced plan was for tolls to be about finished by now on the original City Link. Who keeps entering agreements to extend them? Kennett lost almost exactly the same time the original City Link was opened.

Every time they add a lane Link gets another 10 years and Scotch College get another 10 new buildings

And yes, Labor are equally as bad if that is what the point of your post was

 

[The Punter]

Every time they add a lane Link gets another 10 years and Scotch College get another 10 new buildings

And yes, Labor are equally as bad if that is what the point of your post was

Labor just as bad? C'mon QuietB - don't make Chief post the SWLG vid again...

 

[QuietB]

Labor just as bad? C'mon QuietB - don't make Chief post the SWLG vid again...

No problem, maybe we can dig into water rights or Paladin as well

 

[Satan]

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www.heraldsun.com.au

Former premier Daniel Andrews has been appointed chair of youth mental health service Orygen.
The appointment, replacing Professor Ed Byrne, was announced on Friday with Orygen executives understood to be bracing for an angry backlash over the controversial move.

It comes despite latest data showing a surge in youth suicides, and calls for the state government to do more to address mental health concerns for young Victorians.

All those young adults who were locked down during covid by Andrews ( in b4 it was sutton )causing mental health issues must be jumping f0r joy

 

[The Punter]

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www.heraldsun.com.au

Former premier Daniel Andrews has been appointed chair of youth mental health service Orygen.
The appointment, replacing Professor Ed Byrne, was announced on Friday with Orygen executives understood to be bracing for an angry backlash over the controversial move.

It comes despite latest data showing a surge in youth suicides, and calls for the state government to do more to address mental health concerns for young Victorians.

All those young adults who were locked down during covid by Andrews ( in b4 it was sutton )causing mental health issues must be jumping f0r joy

To be entirely fair, most of them won't have any idea. Having said that, I can see why it might be a problematic appointment to some.

 

[peetoo]

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www.heraldsun.com.au

Former premier Daniel Andrews has been appointed chair of youth mental health service Orygen.
The appointment, replacing Professor Ed Byrne, was announced on Friday with Orygen executives understood to be bracing for an angry backlash over the controversial move.

It comes despite latest data showing a surge in youth suicides, and calls for the state government to do more to address mental health concerns for young Victorians.

All those young adults who were locked down during covid by Andrews ( in b4 it was sutton )causing mental health issues must be jumping f0r joy

More parallels with beyond blue Jeff

 

[Sttew]

More parallels with beyond blue Jeff

Except that Jeff founded Beyond Blue and was non-executive chair for 17 years, i.e., he wasn't paid. Dan will be paid $70K per annum.

His appointment deserves backlash as it does not pass the pub-test. An organisation focused on youth mental health which took a severe battering during Covid because of his draconian lockdown policies, and the hurt is still being felt.