Daniel Kerr: what would it take?

[Bobby Beecroft]

Many brown paper bags.
The concept of a salary cap seems to be lost on many threads this time of year, & as a result pointless discussion becomes rampant.

To be fair, not much else to talk about this time of year when not participating I guess.

 

[Grimreepah]

Daniel Kerr

26 years old

Taken as a second round pick in 2000...number 18 overall.


Ash McGrath pick 13

Shaun Burgoynbe pick 12

Laurance Angwin pick 7

Has played 11 games in each of the last 2 years.

Would not TAKE a first round draft pick...WCE KNOW this.

Why on earth does anyone think this guy is worth a first round pick?!

Can you name any other players of Kerr's quality who have been traded for less than a first round pick?

 

[Cousin Jed]

* Excluding Akermanis

 

[Hollow Knight]

Where a player was drafted means absolutely nothing in terms of trade value down the line.

Simon Black was drafted in the 30s in his draft... but if you wanted to trade for him in 2003, it would have cost you two top 5 picks.

 

[dlanod]

I don't think there'd be a question that it'd take at least a first round pick plus. He's their best midfielder and still a quality one. It'd be similar to someone asking what we'd take for Simon Black.

 

[Ruse]

I think it would cost the club our 1st round pick + sherman or our 1st and 2nd + dalziell. If Johnstone who melbourne were really keen to trade cost us pick 14 surely kerr would cost even more.

 

[Stocka]

Sorry Stocka he is NOT worth a first round pick! And I do not consider a second round pick as a late draft pick.

Mate, there is no "sorry" about it.

Think back to what it took to get C.Judd to Carlton. The Eagles aren't going to settle for a couple of underperforming players and a speculative late pick (second round appears to be little more than that in 2009) in the draft for their contracted, equal best player alongside D.Cox. There has been no mention of either party wanting to part company, to my knowledge.

At any rate, I'd argue that if you don't consider Kerr worth a first round pick, then why bother trying to secure him in a trade? On one hand, you want to talk down his value, but on the other, you seem very keen to get him.

As has been pointed out, the title of your thread suggests that you think it would "take some doing" in order to get Kerr to the Lions. I'd agree with that, considering there has been no mention of the Eagles wanting to move Kerr on to another club. Clubs only consider drafting decent players if they think they can get something better for themselves in return. Kerr is more than just a decent player - he is an out and out gun who could not be split between Judd and Kerr back from 2005 to 2007.

Kerr may not have been quite as good over the last few years, but he has also suffered injuries over that time as well as the overall decline of the team in general. In the right frame of mind and with the right preparation, he is still one of the best midfielders in the game. To say that Kerr isn't worth a first round pick is ridiculous.

If Kerr was offered to us for just our first round pick, I'd take it in a heart-beat.

However, they would want, and get, much more than that. If we could spare what they wanted, I'd be up for it, but they would certainly not be asking for the left-overs that you have implied that they'd accept.

 

[Stocka]

I think it would cost the club our 1st round pick + sherman or our 1st and 2nd + dalziell. If Johnstone who melbourne were really keen to trade cost us pick 14 surely kerr would cost even more.

Exactly. I think that first round + second round + Dalziell (or similar) trade that you've mentioned would be what would be required. This would probably still be after we'd negotiated them down from something more costly to begin with.

No doubt they'd actually be asking for more initially as well - probably our first round pick and M.Clark.

 

[whizkizz]

Would take too much. If you are comparing Kerr to the Judd trade to Carlton, then probably Leuenberger + our first rounder.

Wouldn't even consider it. Charman + our second draft pick and we'll be laughing...

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Think back to what it took to get C.Judd to Carlton.

At any rate, I'd argue that if you don't consider Kerr worth a first round pick, then why bother trying to secure him in a trade? On one hand, you want to talk down his value, but on the other, you seem very keen to get him.

Daniel Kerr is no Chris Judd...and the Judd deal was done 2 years ago.

I think he is worth getting but only to complement our gun midfielders in black and power....enabling him to play as the third mid.............not even close to being worth a first round pick FFS!

and my reference to draft picks in the same year was more about where those players careers are at.....certainly they are on the home straight.

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Kerr would like living in Brisbane away from AFL Perth Hype
but seriously you cant afford him , costing Eagles a heap
similar to Jonathon Brown @ Brisbane.

Besides You have some off our best WA talent already without
Daniel Kerr

( Black Rich Clark Leunberger McGrath Banfield )

fair play....the $$$$ would be a killa

and yes we have enjoyed some great WA talent....thank you

 

[Stocka]

Daniel Kerr is no Chris Judd...and the Judd deal was done 2 years ago.

I think he is worth getting but only to complement our gun midfielders in black and power....enabling him to play as the third mid.............not even close to being worth a first round pick FFS!

and my reference to draft picks in the same year was more about where those players careers are at.....certainly they are on the home straight.

You really are getting worked up about the whole idea of Kerr genuinely being worth a first round pick, aren't you?!

As I said, I'd take Kerr for our first round pick in a heart-beat, and I reckon most people here probably would too. I also reckon Voss would as well, despite Kerr's issues with groin injuries and off-field problems.

Anyway, why don't you post the same question on the Eagles' board and see what their thoughts on the topic are?

It looks like most people on here don't agree with your assessment, so I would be interested to see what Eagles fans think.

Maybe you should also inquire about D.Cox, C.Masten, D.Glass, M.Le Cras and A.Embley while you're at it just in case we have any third, fourth, fifth or sixth round picks lying around, or just in case we decide to trade off any unwanted players from the rookie list!

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

You really are getting worked up about the whole idea of Kerr genuinely being worth a first round pick, aren't you?!

Yes, and for the rest of your suggestions....get suffed! smile insert

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

Maybe if someone can hook him up with a good dealer the price will come down a little

 

[lionshine]

Daniel Kerr is no Chris Judd...and the Judd deal was done 2 years ago.

I think he is worth getting but only to complement our gun midfielders in black and power....enabling him to play as the third mid.............not even close to being worth a first round pick FFS!

and my reference to draft picks in the same year was more about where those players careers are at.....certainly they are on the home straight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6mKp3pVak4

Still not worth a first round pick

 

[Stocka]

Yes, and for the rest of your suggestions....get suffed! smile insert

Which suggestion?

The one about posting this topic on the Eagles board?

Or the one about us trying to secure all of the Eagles' gun players in exchange for all of our fringe players?

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Which suggestion?

The one about posting this topic on the Eagles board?

Or the one about us trying to secure all of the Eagles' gun players in exchange for all of our fringe players?

Oh yeah I can see the rationality of the eagles being similar to yours mate!

Just cause they think it dont mean its right...

And I am still waiting for someone to come up with a suitable Stocka pleasing trade as opposed to knocking my opening post!

 

[WCE57]

On a number of occassions, Woosha, Nisbett have stated that he will not be traded. Daniel has repeatly stated that he is not interested. And he has 2 years left on his contract. We hold the cards here. We not going to trade a guy, who we consider good enough to give a four year contract to. And we ain't going to part with him for a second round pick and a fringe player either.

He going nowhere.

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

On a number of occassions, Woosha, Nisbett have stated that he will not be traded. Daniel has repeatly stated that he is not interested. And he has 2 years left on his contract. We hold the cards here. We not going to trade a guy, who we consider good enough to give a four year contract to. And we ain't going to part with him for a second round pick and a fringe player either.

He going nowhere.

Yep no problems with that from me...never suggested he was looking to get out etc...

More interested on what it take to get him if the possibility presented itself.

Am sure WCE are more than happy to make him a one club player.

 

[Roger The Sheep]

Maybe we could lure him over on the promise of some easily obtainable Hendra virus medication?

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Maybe we could lure him over on the promise of some easily obtainable Hendra virus medication?

LOL!

or "the coast got the best pharmacies in oz mate"

 

[pod17]

Spot on by Stocka. Kerr was/is a star of the game and would be worth a first round pick in any draft plus something else of note at best for our, or any other club to secure his services IMO. Even if you think he is not worth a first rounder PRO I can assure u that West Coast certainly would PLUS another pick or player of a high calibre- especially due to the fact that Kerr is a contracted and required player.

 

[beatnik]

who wouldn't love a player of that quality to fall in your lap?

but they don't come cheap...

what it would take? let's look at the ducks which would need to line up...

- Kerr to make the decision he desperately wanted to move...and to Brisbane specifically

- WC to decide Kerr's not part of their future plans yet still feel enough goodwill towards him that they'd like to try, if possible, to get him to his club of choice

- Vossy to decide the troubled star could buckle down under the Lions regime for one reason or another

- Lions to agree that the ticking of our p'ship clock justifies trading away a 1st round pick and then a 2nd round pick or a very promising young player

that's a lot of ducks to line up

...but it doesn't hurt to ask the question

peace

 

[The Flying Belgian]

PRO, you're asking the question and people are answering, but are you listening? From what I can see most people are saying it would take a minimum of a 1st rounder. In this draft, most probably more.

Kerr, when fit, is a class act (on field), I don't think we've seen that in a couple of years. Whether we're likely to again is mostly immaterial. The Eagles would still want something sunstantial IMO.

 

[Stocka]

There would also be a lot of competition from other clubs that would inflate Kerr's trade price (not to mention the prospect of him earning more money elsewhere might seem him prefer Melbourne over Brisbane).

If Kerr went to Adelaide, Hawthorn or Collingwood, suddenly, you'd have these teams installed as Premiership favourites. Add him to the Lions, Essendon, Carlton or Port and you've got a top 4 team in the making. That doesn't even include the lower-placed sides who might also have a look!

He would not be going cheap!

However, if we REALLY want to get a quality inside midfielder on the cheap, then we could possibly have a look at P.Hasleby. He is not without risk, but I reckon he could still be a good player for a couple of seasons. The last I heard, his contractual status was still up in the air for next year. An astute trade could well see us give up something attractive for Fremantle that we could part with, in order to secure Hasleby.

For instance, Dalziell and our second round pick for Hasleby and their third.

Of course, I am basing this on the assumption of Fremantle perhaps not being too keen to give Hasleby the sort of contract that he wants. If this status has changed, then a trade might not be in the picture.

There is also the possibility of having a look at D.Harris who has been delisted by North. Obviously there is some doubt over whether or not he cuts it at AFL level, but I certainly think he is worth consideration.