Daniel Menzel 'returned to footy' progress updates

[Zouz Kitty]

so it's all just a bit of a storm in a teacup again- those that want to know vs those that can't see what the fuss is about. You know I'm in the latter camp. I just think the expectation of a hard and fast return date in these instances is fantastical. There are way too many variables and the club is damned if they do give an expected return (that everyone is then trying to hold them to) and they're damned if they don't (we don't want to rush him back. OH, BUT HOW LONG WILL HE TAKE TO PLAY AGAIN??!!). If I was the GFC and I had the media on my back every week asking the same thing and I'd been pressured to give an 'idea' of a return date, I'd probably shut up shop and tell them that none of these LTI players' names will be mentioned on any injury list until they are ready to play.

Just a positive- I don't think any of these boys has their name on the LTIL, apart from McCarthy, is that right?

You might as well try and be a Melbourne weather forecaster. Will it rain? Yeah, probably. Are you sure? Hmm. It usually does rain at some stage during Autumn. But will it rain TODAY?? OK YES!!! FFS IT WILL RAIN TODAY!!

... then of course it doesn't... lol

Don't mention the weather FFS!!! You know what he gets like

 

[Teriyakicat]

Hmmmm . . . Hang on! That's funny, I thought this thread was about Dan Menzel's return to footy not a whingefest about how the Club communicates with supporters, or doesn't ??? (Good idea for another thread though then again, nah)

What is with this obsession, needing to know every single minutiae of detail about Menzel + getting the huff when fallible people make mistakes? It really makes me wonder how the obsessives cope with real life, which involves constant change. We've heard straight from the horse's mouth, last November, he was six months off - now Teriyakicat, I may need your Maths skill here + your memory, didn't someone previously say that means the end of May? Now he's injured his hammy, so common sense would say anything from four to six weeks longer - Teri? Does that then mean end of June to mid-July? Assuming nothing else happens.

Now!!! I've contacted the Club + made them aware of the obsessives requirements + as of Tuesday morning Dan Menzel will Tweet his every waking moment!

6:00am - Dan's Alarm blares KROCK, Dan hits 'Snooze', which he does again at 6:10am;
6:20am - Dan has his first pee;
6:12am - Dan squeezes three zits;
6:16am - Dan stubs his toe on his flat mate's gym bag, he rings the Club's Twatter + discusses a twitosphere update, but they decide he needs scans, so Dan returns to bed with a cup of tea + his book Hutterites in North America by John A Hostetler;
7:04am - Dan makes another cup of tea + stubs the same toe on the coffee table, which puts it back in joint + lengthens his dickie hammy;
7:07am - Dan has his second pee then returns to bed, to find that his cup of tea is cool enough to drink;
7:11am - Dan remembers he forgot to put his trackie pants in the dryer + he has nothing to wear;
7:16am - Dan hatches a plan to rummage through his team mates lockers to borrow training gear;
7:18am - Dan's elbow is itchy;
7:18:10 - Dan scratches his itchy elbow . . .

Don't be facetious, my dear. And what makes you think MY maths is going to help? You know what my numbers turn out like!
Had a lol at 7.04- glad you added "hammy" to that sentence

 

[Teriyakicat]

Don't mention the weather FFS!!! You know what he gets like

Oops- and I said "storm", too oh dear! Sorry!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Thread delivers again

 

[Partridge]

What is with this obsession, needing to know every single minutiae of detail about Menzel + getting the huff when fallible people make mistakes? It really makes me wonder how the obsessives cope with real life, which involves constant change.

It's not that extreme SK, it's being kept updated when injury timelines are not met. Chris Scott plainly said 6 and a bit weeks ago that he had a hamstring injury that would need 3 weeks' recuperation. We haven't heard a word since, and he's on the 'medium term' injury list for the club, and the 'indefinite' list for the AFL. It's absolutely reasonable to ask why are there further delays.

Now!!! I've contacted the Club + made them aware of the obsessives requirements + as of Tuesday morning Dan Menzel will Tweet his every waking moment!

6:00am - Dan's Alarm blares KROCK, Dan hits 'Snooze', which he does again at 6:10am;
6:20am - Dan has his first pee;
6:12am - Dan squeezes three zits;
6:16am - Dan stubs his toe on his flat mate's gym bag, he rings the Club's Twatter + discusses a twitosphere update, but they decide he needs scans, so Dan returns to bed with a cup of tea + his book Hutterites in North America by John A Hostetler;
7:04am - Dan makes another cup of tea + stubs the same toe on the coffee table, which puts it back in joint + lengthens his dickie hammy;
7:07am - Dan has his second pee then returns to bed, to find that his cup of tea is cool enough to drink;
7:11am - Dan remembers he forgot to put his trackie pants in the dryer + he has nothing to wear;
7:16am - Dan hatches a plan to rummage through his team mates lockers to borrow training gear;
7:18am - Dan's elbow is itchy;
7:18:10 - Dan scratches his itchy elbow . . .

Not directed at you SK, but to be blunt, this is how I'd finish that timeline.

7:30am - Dan checks his bank balance on the internet.
7:40am - Dan thinks "How good is this? Over three and a half years since my last senior game, and I'm still getting paid".

That's why the lack of communication is annoying when he keeps getting delayed from a return. After three full seasons out, my view is he must play senior football this year - and show something - or it's just a waste of time. Even more bluntly, there is no long term view now. Everything of necessity has to be short term.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Don't be facetious, my dear. And what makes you think MY maths is going to help? You know what my numbers turn out like!
Had a lol at 7.04- glad you added "hammy" to that sentence

Oh really? Has he had 'another' injury we don't know of?

Oops- and I said "storm", too oh dear! Sorry!

It's snow laughing matter! It's a no wind situation if you mention the weather!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It's not that extreme SK, it's being kept updated when injury timelines are not met. Chris Scott plainly said 6 and a bit weeks ago that he had a hamstring injury that would need 3 weeks' recuperation. We haven't heard a word since, and he's on the 'medium term' injury list for the club, and the 'indefinite' list for the AFL. It's absolutely reasonable to ask why are there further delays.



Not directed at you SK, but to be blunt, this is how I'd finish that timeline.

7:30am - Dan checks his bank balance on the internet.
7:40am - Dan thinks "How good is this? Over three and a half years since my last senior game, and I'm still getting paid".

That's why the lack of communication is annoying when he keeps getting delayed from a return. After three full seasons out, my view is he must play senior football this year - and show something - or it's just a waste of time. Even more bluntly, there is no long term view now. Everything of necessity has to be short term.

You must have missed Daz's post of the clip on Friday that shows both Dan and Vardy training?

 

[catempire]

I agree. It makes sense if the issue has been stability and the injuries have mostly been pivot based having a little give in the ground can't hurt.

GO Catters

I'm sure the approach they are taking with Menz is that this is the last roll of the dice. So any slight advantage they can get in tilting the odds with his recovery is worth it. Similarly with Vardy, while a recurrence wouldn't quite be as dire as Menzel at this point it wouldn't be far off.

I'm pretty sure there are some stats around that more ACLs occur at the early part of the year. This would also support Turbocat's idea.

Finally, I reckon it would go some way to explaining the coyness around reporting what is going on. Holding them back because of hard grounds, while potentially a sound approach, would create some debate and controversy that they probably don't want.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I'm sure the approach they are taking with Menz is that this is the last roll of the dice. So any slight advantage they can get in tilting the odds with his recovery is worth it. Similarly with Vardy, while a recurrence wouldn't quite be as dire as Menzel at this point it wouldn't be far off.

I'm pretty sure there are some stats around that more ACLs occur at the early part of the year. This would also support Turbocat's idea.

Finally, I reckon it would go some way to explaining the coyness around reporting what is going on. Holding them back because of hard grounds, while potentially a sound approach, would create some debate and controversy that they probably don't want.

Those ACL stats were quoted in the AFL's end of season injury reports. More northern state teams had ACLs and they occurred more often earlier in the season- but can't recall what % difference.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

It's not that extreme SK, it's being kept updated when injury timelines are not met. Chris Scott plainly said 6 and a bit weeks ago that he had a hamstring injury that would need 3 weeks' recuperation. We haven't heard a word since, and he's on the 'medium term' injury list for the club, and the 'indefinite' list for the AFL. It's absolutely reasonable to ask why are there further delays.



Not directed at you SK, but to be blunt, this is how I'd finish that timeline.

7:30am - Dan checks his bank balance on the internet.
7:40am - Dan thinks "How good is this? Over three and a half years since my last senior game, and I'm still getting paid".

That's why the lack of communication is annoying when he keeps getting delayed from a return. After three full seasons out, my view is he must play senior football this year - and show something - or it's just a waste of time. Even more bluntly, there is no long term view now. Everything of necessity has to be short term.

I can see your point of view Partridge, but I'm in the camp that when or if he ever plays again I will be thrilled! He's been out for three seasons now, so what difference does it make if it's another four, six or eight weeks? If Menzel said in November he was six months off, which means end of May, then he did is hammy that probably means another six weeks after the end of May.

If the issue is the way the Club communicates then there is a thread to discuss it. I suppose I'm just getting sick + tired of people bagging Scott, the MC, players, the Club, other supporters. We've had an amazing run since 2007, we're rebuilding + all the whingeing about issues that are beyond are control are annoying.

I certainly agree with you that Menzel must play this year, but it's the same for Simpson, Vardy + Cowan. It's fantastic that the Club has supported them, encouraged them + nurtured them, but we have four players who've been injured for three plus years! It's unfair on other players who do everything right but can't get a game. Older players were moved on after valuable service, so surely there has to be a time limit to how much longer we can keep four injured players, when we could have got three plus years into other players!

Also agree it is reasonable to expect to know about Menzel's progress, but too many on this board expect personal texts from Brian Cook each week. It's ludicrous + it is to the obsessives I direct my sarcasm/fun.

 

[catempire]

Those ACL stats were quoted in the AFL's end of season injury reports. More northern state teams had ACLs and they occurred more often earlier in the season- but can't recall what % difference.

Here:

http://www.johnorchard.com/resources/article-ACLgeographySH.pdf

I'll have a read when I have more time.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Those ACL stats were quoted in the AFL's end of season injury reports. More northern state teams had ACLs and they occurred more often earlier in the season- but can't recall what % difference.

Due to the humidity?

 

[Teriyakicat]

Here:

http://www.johnorchard.com/resources/article-ACLgeographySH.pdf

I'll have a read when I have more time.

Thanks CE. Yea, that's pretty much what I read. So more, perhaps, the grass type than ground hardness?
I'm sure the hardness of the ground would lead to longer recovery times after training, increased soreness, etc.
so maybe not so much they fear another ACL as much as they're trying to fast-track the healing process by lessening the recovery time and having more time to strengthen the joints, muscles, etc., perhaps?
(Of course there is always the fear of another ACL, as having one will increase the incidence of another)

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I'll tell you a story Teri, a very very long time ago i got so drunk that one morning i woke up with this thing next to me and i swear it's her second on the right in that pic

She's a pretty little cow isn't she, with the heart shape white patch on her forehead

Can we start another thread called...

'Discussion about the lack of information coming from the club concerning Daniel Menzel's "return to footy" progress updates'?

Because at the moment that's all that is happening in this thread from week to week.

That is an excellent idea GYC!

 

[goyoucatters]

Mentioned in un update on the AFL website concerning Mackie's absence for this weekend...



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-15/late-mail-live

Geelong veteran Andrew Mackie has been withdrawn from Saturday's VFL game against Footscray, but the Cats are adamant the defender has not suffered a setback.

Mackie was named to play at the lower level as he continues his comeback from a lingering quad complaint, but was pulled from the squad on Friday morning.

The 30-year-old completed an intense training session with teammates James Kelly, Daniel Menzel, Zac Bates and Dean Gore on Friday.

It was decided the club would hold him over another week to ensure he is at full fitness when he gets back out on the field.

Mackie has not played since injuring his quad in round two against Fremantle.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-15/late-mail-live



Sounds promising. Happy with the other names mentioned there as well.

Would love for Vardy's name to wander on to one of these lists soon, though.

 

[catempire]

Would love for Vardy's name to wander on to one of these lists soon, though.

Vardy is ahead of Menzel if I recall correctly. I read this update as a good sign that Vardy is no longer part of the rehab group. I think he'll play VFL next week.

 

[goyoucatters]

Vardy is ahead of Menzel if I recall correctly. I read this update as a good sign that Vardy is no longer part of the rehab group. I think he'll play VFL next week.

Here's hoping.

 

[dazbroncos]

Before the Pies VFL game it was mentioned by Hocking that Vardy was likely to play either the Dogs or the week after…..

GO Catters

 

[Teriyakicat]

Mentioned in un update on the AFL website concerning Mackie's absence for this weekend...



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-15/late-mail-live



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-15/late-mail-live



Sounds promising. Happy with the other names mentioned there as well.

Would love for Vardy's name to wander on to one of these lists soon, though.

I'm disappointed to see Bates back in there, after being named in the VFL a couple of games ago but being pulled out of the lineup at the last minute.

 

[goyoucatters]

I'm disappointed to see Bates back in there, after being named in the VFL a couple of games ago but being pulled out of the lineup at the last minute.

I'm amazed to see Bates mentioned at all.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I'm amazed to see Bates mentioned at all.

Hmm, yes, that's another way of looking at it His appearances in the news have been few and far between, haven't they?

 

[catempire]

Before the Pies VFL game it was mentioned by Hocking that Vardy was likely to play either the Dogs or the week after…..

GO Catters

Yeah, that's what I was referring to Daz. This article:

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...from-knee-injury/story-fnjuhrxq-1227334840469

He won’t play in the VFL against Collingwood in Bendigo on Saturday night but the Cats haven’t ruled out the possibility of him playing against Footscray on May 16.

“Not this week but I’m not sure how much longer after that,” Geelong football manager Steve Hocking said.​

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...from-knee-injury/story-fnjuhrxq-1227334840469

 

[FredLeDeux]

Yeah, that's what I was referring to Daz. This article:

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...from-knee-injury/story-fnjuhrxq-1227334840469

He won’t play in the VFL against Collingwood in Bendigo on Saturday night but the Cats haven’t ruled out the possibility of him playing against Footscray on May 16.

“Not this week but I’m not sure how much longer after that,” Geelong football manager Steve Hocking said.​

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...from-knee-injury/story-fnjuhrxq-1227334840469

But also
“As much as we were saying Round 5 (for Vardy), it could be Round 5 to Round 10, that’s the thing when it gets to this stage.”

 

[catempire]

But also
“As much as we were saying Round 5 (for Vardy), it could be Round 5 to Round 10, that’s the thing when it gets to this stage.”

Plastered on the wall of the office of GM, Football Operations: "THOU SHALT COVER THY ARSE", in Balmey's best scrawl.

 

[manboob]

Plastered on the wall of the office of GM, Football Operations: "THOU SHALT COVER THY ARSE", in Balmey's best scrawl.

Who was that guy at Essendon who would only answer questions in French? I'm waiting for Hocking to bust out the Amharic tapes