Traded Daniel Rioli - Traded with picks 51, 61, 70 & 76 to GC for picks 6 & 26

[Jirik13]

Not necessarily.

He looks to be good, and of course we'd like to have him, but he's an undersized mid (178cm), and we already have plenty (too many?) of them, so if the price was too high and we let him slide, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world from a list management perspective.

Aside from the player himself, there are 2 further considerations.

Firstly, it's good for morale (both club and academy) if we continue to pick up the local kids, so yes, there is certainly a push to take him.

At the same time, passing would send a signal to other clubs that they shouldn't bid expecting it to be matched. Sometimes they might have to take the player, so they should bid only if they're genuinely willing to take the player at that pick.

In summary, we'll match reasonable bids, but I doubt we'd go crazy and match 'anything'.

As Cameron said today on Trade Radio, after talking to clubs during trade period Suns will know where Lombard bid will come. Twomey will know too. He is basically 100% on top 10 picks as he talks and has info from clubs. There will be no big surprise with a bid.

 

[THE_GUN]

Not necessarily.

He looks to be good, and of course we'd like to have him, but he's an undersized mid (178cm), and we already have plenty (too many?) of them, so if the price was too high and we let him slide, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world from a list management perspective.

Aside from the player himself, there are 2 further considerations.

Firstly, it's good for morale (both club and academy) if we continue to pick up the local kids, so yes, there is certainly a push to take him.

At the same time, passing would send a signal to other clubs that they shouldn't bid expecting it to be matched. Sometimes they might have to take the player, so they should bid only if they're genuinely willing to take the player at that pick.

In summary, we'll match reasonable bids, but I doubt we'd go crazy and match 'anything'.

What has his size have to do with this ?

Not sure what you dont understand about the Lombard situation
He is 100% a top 10 maybe even a top 5 talents and the suns will be off loading #6 , #13 , #20 for other trades and will have junk left to use on Lombard. There is no chance he is not matched where ever he is bid

 

[Jirik13]

Exactly right. I think people forget even suns supporters that if he wasn't an academy player he would easily be a top 5 player in the draft honestly

So why do you think most draft experts value him pick 9-10+?

 

[THE_GUN]

So why do you think that most draft experts value him pick 9-10+?

Mainly because most of the other clubs know that GC will match any bid on him and no point doing as much work as they would if he was not an academy kid.

If he was in an open trade he would have had allot more involvement with other clubs and clubs tend to let these kids slide a bit.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

So why do you think most draft experts value him pick 9-10+?

Because academy players tend to slide, for reasons. That's why he gets ranked lower, they are anticipating the slide.

 

[Jirik13]

Mainly because most of the other clubs know that GC will match any bid on him and no point doing as much work as they would if he was not an academy kid.

If he was in an open trade he would have had allot more involvement with other clubs and clubs tend to let these kids slide a bit.

Twomey is usually spot on both on value and then actual draft order. At the moment Lombard is not in his best 10 (not actual order in draft). There are some bloody impressive kids in this draft.

 

[Jirik13]

Because academy players tend to slide, for reasons. That's why he gets ranked lower, they are anticipating the slide.

I am not talking about actual draft order. At the moment it is best players order. Anyway, I think people overvalue a bit Lombard. Some of these videos of other kids are very impressive.

 

[Morrell96]

So why do you think that most draft experts value him pick 9-10+?

Well the fact he is an academy player so that's 1, I think maybe his height which I think is 178cm so smaller then the average midfielder compared to others. And 3 maybe him playing more foward in VFL games his stats kinda dropped a little so his rank went down.

But Honestly if you compare him to others ranked higher then him he looks the better player.

 

[Jirik13]

But Honestly if you compare him to others ranked higher then him he looks the better player.

I watched some other kids videos. Very impressive. As I mentioned is some other replies, I am not talking about draft order.

 

[THE_GUN]

I am not talking about actual draft order. At the moment it is best players order. Anyway, I think people overvalue a bit Lombard. Some of these videos of other kids are very impressive.

Mate Lombard is a gun

I would be more than happy to take him as a direct trade for Rioli rather than #6

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

I am not talking about actual draft order. At the moment it is best players order. Anyway, I think people overvalue a bit Lombard. Some of these videos of other kids are very impressive.

Fair enough, I just don't see why the Suns would not match him. He's the last one available for a bunch of junk picks. Plenty in the draft threads think he's being underrated too.

 

[SplintWhisky]

Fair enough, I just don't see why the Suns would not match him. He's the last one available for a bunch of junk picks. Plenty in the draft threads think he's being underrated too.

You would have to think about the psychology of an Academy kid like that as well. Does he potentially hold a few things back in other testing (combine etc.) when he as done all the work through the year. I know if I was almost guaranteed a spot due to being part of an academy when I was 18, I would be enjoying myself and doing the bare minimum for other clubs.

 

[Jirik13]

Mate Lombard is a gun

I would be more than happy to take him as a direct trade for Rioli rather than #6

Nobody is saying Lombard is not a gun.

 

[My_Username]

What has his size have to do with this ?

Not sure what you dont understand about the Lombard situation
He is 100% a top 10 maybe even a top 5 talents and the suns will be off loading #6 , #13 , #20 for other trades and will have junk left to use on Lombard. There is no chance he is not matched where ever he is bid

Would Richmond be chasing hard for a <180cm midfielder if they already had 2-3 in their team?

'best available' is a lovely idea, but a quality team needs a variety of types/talents as well. Putting all your eggs in one basket is poor strategy.

 

[Jirik13]

Fair enough, I just don't see why the Suns would not match him. He's the last one available for a bunch of junk picks. Plenty in the draft threads think he's being underrated too.

We will match Lombard bid. Bid will not come in top 5. He will play early as small forward. My 3 predictions

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

We will match him. Bid will not come in top 5. He will play early as small forward. My 3 predictions

Agree with all of that.

 

[THE_GUN]

Would Richmond be chasing hard for a <180cm midfielder if they already had 2-3 in their team?

'best available' is a lovely idea, but a quality team needs a variety of types/talents as well. Putting all your eggs in one basket is poor strategy.

How tall is Jagga Smith ? Ashcroft ?Draper
all potentially top 5 picks with 2-3cm between them

Shai Bolton , Ksyiah Pickett , Tyson Stengle or Neal

 

[Morro]

Would Richmond be chasing hard for a <180cm midfielder if they already had 2-3 in their team?

'best available' is a lovely idea, but a quality team needs a variety of types/talents as well. Putting all your eggs in one basket is poor strategy.

An explosive goal kicking bull of a midfielder? Nah we'd hate that.

 

[THE_GUN]

We will match Lombard bid. Bid will not come in top 5. He will play early as small forward. My 3 predictions

Kid is a gun not sure why there are even question marks about where he would go in this draft
if he was not tied to the GC he would be 100% talked about as a top 10 pick

 

[SteeleSaints]

Rioli is a good player, but I cant believe GCS are considering giving up pick #6 for him. If they do you'd hope they get something back from Richmond.

 

[tiger_tough]

Rioli is a good player, but I cant believe GCS are considering giving up pick #6 for him. If they do you'd hope they get something back from Richmond.

It's going to be more than just 6

 

[Iva Bigun]

It's going to be more than just 6

What are you thinking it will be?

 

[THE_GUN]

What are you thinking it will be?

Im thinking Richmond are trying to move some picks between 24-45 into 2025 to pass onto GC to match something like #13-#15 in points for GC next year and will be targeting #6 + #13

 

[stavro#4]

It's going to be more than just 6

And as just mentioned by Riley & Cal.

It won’t be p13 which seems to be some wet soapy wet dream you tiger fans have had for weeks.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Im thinking Richmond are trying to move some picks between 24-45 into 2025 to pass onto GC to match something like #13-#15 in points for GC next year and will be targeting #6 + #13

The Suns will have better offers for 13. Unless Richmond have a F1 they want to pass on that is.......

You are trying to sell cap space is what's actually happening.