News David King: Reversal of fortune looms for Scott twins

[Slattery_20]

I agree that Ablett tried his best last year, unfortunately his best is what killed us against Collingwood. He was all over the play in the first half, but most of the play seemed to linger in our defensive half - Collingwood's press was not focused on stopping Ablett, rather on killing Geelong's chain of possession 1 or 2 links after him - meaning that his trademark short handball to another player would get that player or the one after into a position where they would be forced to turn it over. This next theory is purely my own observation and perhaps reaching a little, but I believe Thompson identified this half back roundabout play as a weakness early, and that Ablett was a major factor in it continuing - hence moving him to the forward line for large stretches of games. Ablett of course was not happy with this, as he rightly considers himself Geelong's (or anyone's) number 1 banana - so after several weeks of increasing frustration and horn-locking with Thompson, the leadership group has approached Thompson and said that they want, for the sake of team unity, Ablett back in the midfield. Thompson agrees but immediately gets on the phone to Essendon with a "I'm done here, got a job? No not the senior one, senior coaching sucks and you get shitty with everyone". Ablett goes back into the midfield (and rarely goes forward at all for the remainder of the season) and the old "attack from half-back" style is resumed, also playing right into the hands of Malthouse's forward press/roman box tactic. Ablett was gone a long time ago anyway, Thompson was gone from late H/A season (but probably had thoughts of leaving from earlier since it was known that Costa was stepping down from the board. To me, the pieces all fit.

Interesting.
There's one bit though, that doesn't quite fit; or maybe fits on top of that.
In an article a couple of months back (possibly on Ablett? Or Thompson?) Bartel was saying the group chose not to go with Thompson's changes, much later on - heading towards finals; choosing instead to stick with tried & true.

IMHO, it's quite possible the Ablett & Costs things started to plant the seeds; Evans et al made sure they kept in touch and kept stoking the fire, and the final decision only came at that point leading into (or directly after) the prelim.

 

[Horace]

Very interesting thread this.

Let me start by saying that anything that follows is not from a desire to support David King or debate what was in his article.

Secondly, I will be at the G tonight supporting the Cats (not often a good omen I might add) and will be flat out for the Cats for the duration of the final series.

I will support what Teffy has said and in particular, enjoy the good times while they are around. Teffy is absolutely right in saying that all good eras come to an end.

If the Cats win the GF this year then I do not need to tell Cats supporters that 3 flags in 5 years is a simply magnificent effort. To achieve that feat; and in fact winning the 2007 and 2009 flags I believe has already defined the greatness of the current Geelong group; can generally only be due to this combination of exceptional footballers coming together more or less at the same time.

This is similar to what North achieved with flags in 1996 and 1999 (and should have won in 1998). I think we had an expectation that the success of the 1990's might flow on to the 2000's. It didn't. And it didn't because to mention just a few, the replacements for the likes of Archer, Stevens, Carey, Mckernan, were never anywhere near in the same class.

I think it is disrespectful to the likes of Chapman, Scarlett, Corey, Bartel, Enright, Ling, Johnson, Kelly, Ottens, Mooney, Milburn and the departed Stephen King, Harley, Ablett, Rooke, to mention most of the Cats older players involved in the flags so far, to suggest that the young up and coming boys on Geelongs list, will enable the club to remain a premiership contender into the middle of this decade.

There is no doubt that the young boys look very promising and that there has been some very astute recruiting of recent years to achieve this. But until these boys have to make do without the major part of that simply wonderful group of players listed above, if Geelong was my first choice club, I would be making the most of the present and hoping that any slide in the future is not too far down the ladder.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Interesting.
There's one bit though, that doesn't quite fit; or maybe fits on top of that.
In an article a couple of months back (possibly on Ablett? Or Thompson?) Bartel was saying the group chose not to go with Thompson's changes, much later on - heading towards finals; choosing instead to stick with tried & true.

IMHO, it's quite possible the Ablett & Costs things started to plant the seeds; Evans et al made sure they kept in touch and kept stoking the fire, and the final decision only came at that point leading into (or directly after) the prelim.

Ah Slattery 20 - a consistent Mark Thompson apologist I'll give you that.
Just to reiterate Thompson contacted Essendon in July and told them he didn't have a future at the Cats with Costa departing - he couldn't and wouldn't work with Cook with Frank out of the way. Once you make that decision in your head it's impossible to operate with the same passion and committment , particularly if you are not , in his own words, a career coach. You are right on one aspect though - there was plenty of communication between the parties !!

 

[geelong_crazy26]

why does david king hate geelong?

have heard his comments on 3AW and footy 360

apparently geelong dont have the fire power to go with hawthorn and collingwood, that we are a shelf below both and he said there is no way we can beat either in finals, lol!

wrote the article saying the scott brothers are about to change fortunes

earlier in the year he said "carlton" was a real challenger and that they had geelong covered also until they slipped

cant wait to hear him this week talk some more dribble and make a even bigger clown of himself

any reason why he has such a hatred for geelong??

 

[Daitro]

Re: why does david king hate geelong?

David King Thread also on the front page may have some answers.

 

[Igloo]

Re: why does david king hate geelong?

David King hates a lot of people. He absolutely despises us for some reason as well.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

He's probably holding a grudge because I smashed him in Mortal Kombat once.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

didn't he miss out on the Geelong coaching job at the end of 2010? I've heard some pretty poor things about his lifestyle which was a major reason why Richmond decided to against him and went with Hardwick when he went for that job. He's a very good football analyst but he believes that the Collingwood game style is the only way you win premierships. He is very focused on new philosophies in football and anything that's different just has to be good enough to beat last year's premiers. I think he rates Geelong but I don't believe he has done his homework on our list very well at all like some of the other journalists. He has never eluded to the fact we have brought in a whole crop of new talent and also believes our own game style is nothing new compared to previous years. We saw tonight our own forward press in full motion which had the Hawthorn defenders chipping it from one side to the other and eventually had to settle with a long 50 meter bomb which in most cases we won and rammed it right back into our forward 50. The press was quite evident against Collingwood as well in round 24 although they didn't put much of an effort in the 2nd half of that game. We are incredibly fit this year and the most important part of all is that we have a fit and healthy list for the 1st time in 18 months. The 2010 final series was a debacle as injuries and off-ground issues plagued the club. We are seeing the change and we now go into another preliminary final in tip top shape for the 1st time since 2007 I'd say. Will be looking forward to hearing what King's excuse will be on Wednesday night

 

[Roadie]

Kind of unrelated but when was the last time Tim Lane said something about us? Feels like it's been a while...

 

[Scuderia]

I look forward to hearing what Kingy has to say about the Cats on AFL 360 this Wednesday night. Geez, mcclure will be getting into him re: Cats' ability to go deep into September/Oct.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

I look forward to hearing what Kingy has to say about the Cats on AFL 360 this Wednesday night. Geez, mcclure will be getting into him re: Cats' ability to go deep into September/Oct.

McClure was getting into to us too midway through the year when his Blues were up and running don't forget. He said we would get exposed for pace by Carlton and King believes they have the x-factor that can get to Collingwood. How many opportunities can you get before seeing they aren't good enough? God damn it I hate the media and their lack of respect. At least the Geelong boys know how good they are

 

[Mr_Bojangles]

I look forward to hearing what Kingy has to say about the Cats on AFL 360 this Wednesday night. Geez, mcclure will be getting into him re: Cats' ability to go deep into September/Oct.

McClure? Whately will destroy him!!!! It's ok, KIngy will no doubt be on the juice tonight, that's his rep isn't it?

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

McClure? Whately will destroy him!!!! It's ok, KIngy will no doubt be on the juice tonight, that's his rep isn't it?

yeh apparently he has the worst breath in the business dunno how he gets through his tv commentary commitments looking as fresh as a daisy

 

[Whiskers]

David King you are an absolute freaking muppet. How bad does he look? Same goes to the centrebet guy, maybe Neil Evans? "I have seen nothing all year to suggest it won't be a hawks pies GF"

Clearly these guys have seen nothing? What the hell have they been doing all year?

 

[ATSAM]

David King like many of those exfootballers, commentators and journalists who write for the many media outlets got it wrong. I think that Gary Lyons was the only one who had us playing in a GF, the rest wrote us off. They were wrong and now have to keeping justifying their early predictions.
Funny how expert they are!!!!

 

[wmvaux]

Re: David King is officially a To*****

David King is an idiot, seriously... who else does Geelong have to beat to be a Premiership threat? They have beaten Collingwood twice and Hawthorn 3 times, if that doesn't make them favourites what does???

Geelong have made great inroads regarding bringing in new talent and their talent compared to North Melbourne's is of a higher quality.

Sure Geelong have some aging players, but they are doing very well at bringing in players who can replace them.... Vardy and West to replace Ottens, Menzel is another quality forward, Christensen also has class either up forward or in the middle.

While Geelong keep bringing in quality kids, there is no reason to suggest they will be dropping down the ladder anytime soon.

 

[darren forssman]

Well judging by Scotts defensive focus, imagine an Ablett that also held his opponent accountable?!

All of a sudden you have Ablett racking up 30 odd possessions and Swan getting 20.

If he was still here there is no way he would have had the free reign he did last year, he would be tackling more than he ever did and only add another feather to his cap!!

I dont think there would have been a cost at all.

ally hypothetical but was he capable of playing defensively? he sure as hell wasnt happy being sent forward.

the cost i was referring to was the loss of other players, ie a kelly.

 

[Selective Retention]

I don't think many Geelong supporters expect we will stay up forever.

Personally I think King is wrong re us v. north as north, aside from Goldstein, don't have anything we don't coming through.

 

[McCrabb for PM]

David King now on 3AW, still not convinced that Geelong's game will hold up going deeper into the finals... surprise, surprise.

Now thinks that Cats forward line wont kick enough goals to win in the Prelim, if we end up playing West Coast as the odds would suggest.
Sure, West Coast have had a great season and have a great press & some top notch defenders but come on. To not give us a chance to win at home against a travelling team and with a weeks break after systematically dismantling Pies and Hawks is just garbage.

Stubborn as a mule.

 

[_Me_]

David King now on 3AW, still not convinced that Geelong's game will hold up going deeper into the finals... surprise, surprise.

Now thinks that Cats forward line wont kick enough goals to win in the Prelim, if we end up playing West Coast as the odds would suggest.
Sure, West Coast have had a great season and have a great press & some top notch defenders but come on. To not give us a chance to win at home against a travelling team and with a weeks break after systematically dismantling Pies and Hawks is just garbage.

Stubborn as a mule.

eventually he will be right, in 2015 we might lose a game
dwayne is just as bad

they have written us off

 

[AM]

If Kingy had any real currency where it counts he'd still be in a full time hands-on coaching role at AFL level rather than a part time sports teacher at Carey and part time sports burbler and scribbler.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

David King now on 3AW, still not convinced that Geelong's game will hold up going deeper into the finals... surprise, surprise.

Now thinks that Cats forward line wont kick enough goals to win in the Prelim, if we end up playing West Coast as the odds would suggest.
Sure, West Coast have had a great season and have a great press & some top notch defenders but come on. To not give us a chance to win at home against a travelling team and with a weeks break after systematically dismantling Pies and Hawks is just garbage.

Stubborn as a mule.

did he actualy say we cant win the prelim?

I am starting to think that someone from the geelong footy club has asked him to make these comments to pump our players up .

thank you mister david king

 

[bulletproof]

I still think Pods has a big September haul in him.

The guy is a star forward, just as likely to kick a bag as Cloke or Franklin in September.

 

[Bring back Moloney]

King is making some truly ridiculous calls regarding Geelong!

It's funny, my mate actually worked with David King the past year. I've met him, actually a very decent bloke. But it's simple really: Most of these blokes going into the media need to make a few statements that go against the norm, just to try & raise their profile. Lloyd has done it many times.

Just look at how much attention King has gotten from a few statements. The problem is, how many times can you be made to look like an arseh*le, before people stop listening!?

 

[Hoffy95]

I still think Pods has a big September haul in him.

The guy is a star forward, just as likely to kick a bag as Cloke or Franklin in September.

I'd hope he's a better chance than Franklin is!