Dawes in for L Brown?

[Go_collingwood_]

L. Brown

Played well did exactly what Mick asked

as much as i cant believe im saying this he played well and deserves to be toasted

 

[Pie eyed]

The reason I started the thread was due to 774's after game analysis when it was stated that the Pies cannot win a premiership without a dependable, strong specialist key forward. Leigh Brown was not viewed as having played such a role tonight (by the commentator). The panel were not as wrapped with his game as you folk are.

I am not seriously suggesting Dawes for Brown next week. I know that Brown was BOG in the VFL the last 2 weeks, and he seemed to have straightened out his kicking. Dawes as 2nd ruck against a weak ruck set up is an option, but really we could adopt a horses for courses approach, picking the player most suited to the opposition.

I also agree that Dawes needs to sort out his overhead marking problems. In a way, we have three CHFs with none of them dominant or even dependable over the course of a season.

And yes I did watch the game - at Zagami's in Boronia. Why do so many pubs set the aspect ratio incorrectly so the players appear larger than they are?

Jamar r*ped our arses last meeting and was at least 50% of the reason they nearly beat us.

Weak Ruck.....hmmmmm.

Dawes would only ever be a considered player as a KP forward. He is not a rucks arseh*le

 

[HeavyPop]

I agreed with something that one of the commentators said tonight, not sure who though.

Essentially it was about the fact the Brown doesn't get the chances that other players get. If he plays one bad game, he is gone, no second chances. I think he is in our best 22. Handy up forward, down back and in the ruck if needed.

What panel wasn't happy with his game, btw? James Hird was giving him a wrap all game.

 

[Pie eyed]

If Leigh Brown is one of our best forwards with 2 goals then we've got serious problems.

Then we have serious problems if you go by tonight's game.

Brown is but a tooth on the cog but a tooth none the less.

People should stop bagging him for doing his job. He was contracted to fill gaps and does admirably.

 

[Go_collingwood_]

the OP is drunk on the win if he thinks Dawes would of played better tonight over L Brown

 

[bucksisbest]

He won't be dropped. But I think he should be because I don't think he will play well next week , and I think Dawes would also be the better match-up for Melbourne.
I could live with him playing as a back up ruck and dropping Fraser , but we haven't been inclined to structure up like that this year.

 

[Paddywhackers]

Re: L. Brown

I agree. I wish Dawes could show his aggression and anger on the footy field.

 

[Vendrell]

Then we have serious problems if you go by tonight's game.

Brown is but a tooth on the cog but a tooth none the less.

People should stop bagging him for doing his job. He was contracted to fill gaps and does admirably.

Come to think of it, the forward line's been poor for the last 3 games then .

 

[Go_collingwood_]

Re: L. Brown

if he could Dawes would be super handy

 

[Pie eyed]

Come to think of it, the forward line's been poor for the last 3 games then .

State your point?

 

[Pie eyed]

Re: L. Brown

if he could Dawes would be super handy

Dawes is only just coming to terms with the fact he is a monster.

You have to remember that when you look in the mirror you do not see what everyone else sees.
Dawes is the type of bloke who does not realise how physically dominant he can be.

Just yet.

 

[Vendrell]

State your point?

The forward line needs work. We've been found out in games where the pressure's on and I think it's better to persist with Dawes than Leigh Brown. Fortunately our midfield was good enough to kick goals today.

 

[Pie eyed]

The forward line needs work. We've been found out in games where the pressure's on and I think it's better to persist with Dawes than Leigh Brown. Fortunately our midfield was good enough to kick goals today.

Brown kicked 2 and had a hand in another 2-3.

If you stand him next to Buddy or J.Brown as a forward he does not cut it, but by the same token if you stand him next to them as a backman on game day he can do a job.

The guy is spare parts and plays the role beautifully. People have to stop judging him against the best in their respective positions and start looking at what he can do well enough to have an impact.
Got him for next to nothing and he's been good value 22 out of maybe 27 games.

Dawes needs work and he's getting it. Jack is off the boil but will get back in the best. Medders (plays tall) is a week or two off doing the business.

Who else do we have in the big man department?

L Brown, thank you very much I say.

 

[dayna36]

Re: L. Brown

Great thread..personally, I thought he was great for us, he was crucial in bringing the ball to ground, he ran, tackled and just his presence, he could be huge for us....Mick and the selection boys have to really think hard because there is Dawsey and Tarks, and Jack (well, that's if you believe in miracles)...nonetheless, it was a top game from Leroy go pies !!!

 

[Keele]

Re: L. Brown

Leroy did a great job last night and I agree fully with what is said here.

He would be the first to say he is not a full forward, more of a utility player... but boy that agression at the ball was wonderful to see.

Dawes can learn from Leroy especially in keeping the ball in his zone if he fails to mark

Well done Leroy

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I wouldn't be bringin back Dawes or Jack until they DESERVE their spot.

Right now, they don't.

 

[Kirby]

Leigh Brown couuld not possibly be, nor will he be, dropped after last night's performance.

I'm no big wrap for him but he was good yesterday.

 

[TradeDraft]

Leigh Brown couuld not possibly be, nor will he be, dropped after last night's performance.

I'm no big wrap for him but he was good yesterday.

He was Okay but I don't think he did more than Dawes has done in the AFL

 

[Quicky]

He was Okay but I don't think he did more than Dawes has done in the AFL

What he did was bring the ball to ground. This made it harder for the Dogs to clear it out from defence and gave our crumbers something to crumb off. This is something Dawes has totally failed to do the last few weeks and why I think he was dropped. It was a very important part of our win.

 

[Art Corvelay]

Re: L. Brown

Posted this elsewhere:

1With our recent wayward delivery into 50 we've needed somebody in to smash the packs, hence why Leeroy came in.

I liked Leeroy as an inclusion this week; clearly not afraid to throw his body around and physically get into peoples faces.

 

[AsianWithAFro]

Re: L. Brown

Thoroughly deserves this toast

His agression, attack on the ball and his ability to split packs made our forwardline look really good.

 

[Old Spice]

Leroy was good last nite, no doubt.

The comment that Leroy is not given as many opportunities before being dropped is rubbish. Last year he was Mr Undroppable, just like Medders.

Let's hope Leroy can string some good games together.

 

[loki04]

Re: L. Brown

His attack on man and Ball is fantastic but can we get away with having a Key Forward who doesn't kick goals and barely gets a kick especially at the pointy end?

If he could start to consistently contribute on the score board as well as do the things he does that would be great.

 

[Camo1902]

Leigh Brown must stay in the 22! His physicality alone gives us more than Dawes can provide IMO.

Dawes needs to work on his overhead marking before he can seriously be considered a genuine key forward prospect. He offers nothing else, therefore Brown must stay in the team.

 

[shawthing09]

I am no fan of big bad Leroy, and nor am I a big fan of Dawes but Dawes can not come in for Leroy based on last night's performance.

It's funny Dawes has some nice bells and whilstes but is lacking the key skill needed to be any kind of quality AFL foward. On the other hand Leroy lacks any kind of polish but has (at the most basic level) that key component.

The key skill we are talking about here is being a target. When the ball is kicked in Leroy's direction he is going to put up enough of an aerial contest that he is likely to bring the ball to ground and create at least a 50 / 50 for the smalls. Guys like Davis really benifit from this.

Statistically a good game for Leroy yesterday was an average or bad game for Dawes but Dawes just does do that and as a midfielder you wouldn't want to kick to Dawes unless you knew you could just about hit him on the tit. This in turn slows our ball movement down if we are not dominating the game through the midfield.

Based on yesterday Leroy is a better foward for our structure then Dawes which is the same arguement that has been used for Dawes in his poorer games.

Dawes has physically and athletically everything Leroy has and should be able to play the role Leroy plays and more but he just doesn't at the moment and until he does he will find it hard to contribute in tight games.