Review Dees in hell to the tune of 50!

[ubiquitous226]

Great game to re-watch - Brayshaw, Serong and Young are getting to Barlow, Fyfe and Mundy levels circa 2013. Going to be unbeatable soon.

Not enough love for Walters - he isn't going to impact games week to week anymore but his experience will become incredibly handy come finals time. He ran out the entire game and didn't look gassed.

We look incredible when we play hard and fast, the skills to find free players is something I've never seen from Fremantle - the only term I can't search freely on BigFooty anymore is 'contested marking beast' because I'm not sure we have one anymore, that was Taberner in 2022 but that's because we couldn't find as much space back then. I wonder how we'll go when we're choked up man-on-man - Darcy, Jackson and Treacy can bring it to ground which isn't the worst thing in the world.

That will be a good challenge for the team, we've been winning with general midfield advantage, but when that's taken away we've struggled.

Our tall forwards have the ability to offer more in the contested marking space, I think the only thing is generally they rely on getting the run and jump.
Amiss has the bodywork and Darcy has the height if isolated 1v1 or 2v2, but in a pack situation the opposition just has to make sure the other J's can't jump at it.

 

[wakojako]

Damn y'all are sleeping on Young's game. The way he attacked the ball when it hit the deck was incredible to watch. 28 disposals, 8 clearances, 9 score involvements, and two shots at goals is elite territory.

 

[Wray27]

They would be equal second if they had won both games against us. Just saying.

IF we had won both games in Adelaide we’d be second too.
IF statements have no bearing on reality.
Melbourne are now a very average team. Gawn back will help but they have got serious issues around the stoppage and clearance.

 

[dropbear101]

I think we have King on board now too having watched first crack.

stop it, he can't help himself.

 

[Dale147]

 

[Purple Suit]

IF we had won both games in Adelaide we’d be second too.
IF statements have no bearing on reality.
Melbourne are now a very average team. Gawn back will help but they have got serious issues around the stoppage and clearance.

Yep, they are down their two best players and the third is a shadow of his former self. Those players were also in the top 20 players in the entire AFL so were doing a lot of heavy lifting for the Dees.

 

[Dale147]

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Yesterday was an important game.

Despite winning easily if we lost we would have been 8th .

Imagine if Pearce was held back 1 more week and we lost.

At the end of the day sometimes it comes down to luck.

Very true. Always easy with hindsight.

 

[Wray27]

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Sorry but she is way off here and obviously not watching the game closely.
Eg. JOM only attended 2 CBs but states, “spent more at centre bounce than usual” JOM was planning with the 4 in the middle before going back to the wing. They had plans for when they took it out his side.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Some great posts and views expressed here; can tell we're getting our heads around being a force. Ultimately the only thing that stopped us destroying the Dees yesterday was straight kicking.

One aspect to keep an eye on in the pressure out of the middle - last week against the Hawks showed we could scrap it out and still play our game (huge step forward for mine there), but those Dogs and Eagles defeats still bring a bit of doubt in this area. We predominantly deal with it with grunt and speed: here's where Fyfe and Jackson need to improve - both are amazing at disrupting and Fyfe is especially good at off loading to advantage, but both take their time on the ball; against fiercer opponents they'll have to think quicker.

Young: Don't know what else to say, genuine top 5 midfielder and top 3 i50 kick in the comp. Hard as a cats head, great technique and sublime vision. If he improves further, heading into generational territory.

Brayshaw: As Snuff said, it's great to have him back. No one runs harder both ways, essentially gives us a spare man if his matchup isn't going full pelt. His defensive nous and effort is the best in the comp. Saved 2 goals at least yesterday with smothers/last ditch tackles.

Serong: Metronomic to the point of boring. Supreme extractor, lightning hands and now starting to add goals.

Fyfe: Wise head, clearly best in a clearance/run with role now. Offloaded to danger a couple of times yesterday, so needs to tighten that up, but his blocking and space creation for others was top-notch yesterday. Hopefully keeps it up in a high pressure, quicker game. If we end up vs Carlton, I'd sit him on Cripps.

Darcy: We would've won if he'd played against the Hawks. He's vital to structure and you can see the chemistry developing with the mids. Started to clunk a few yesterday too. If he gets his marking back to '22 levels then the 'safe' kick out down the line becomes perilous for the opposition and a platform for us. Can roost it from 50 too.

Jackson: Still needs to speed up his thought process (see above), but building nicely. Good set shot; just needs to start clunking them. If he starts one-grabbing even 50% of his marks watch out - probably one of the biggest areas for short-medium improvement that I see.

Walters: Did a job yesterday, but benefited from our forward movement and Melbourne being hit on turnover. In a tight game where he has to compete and create his own space, I fear he'll be a liability (lost two-yards of pace and strength in the contest). Legend, but prefer him on the bench.

Sharp: Runs all day, holds his position and always on hand for a release. Can also slot them from 50. Last few weeks though has been a little weak in the contest and squibbed a few kicks I'd expect him to hit lace out. If he can lift for finals could be huge.

Freddie: See my previous post. X-factor on transition, great field kick and marks between the arcs. If gets his goalkicking mojo back, watch out.

JOM: Seems to have gained a yard of pace. Hard at the contest, good tackler, decision maker and delivery i50, can also kick a goal. Highly versatile. Probably bottom 6, but again this speaks to the quality of the team as opposed to issues with JOM. Important structural piece for mine.

Ryan/Cox/Pearce: If this trio is fit and firing, only the Bulldogs really worry me offensively. It was noticeable yesterday how much drive out of the back Moose gives us when Cox is there.He did it earlier in the year a bit with Draper, but he was breaking lines for fun and launching attacks brilliantly yesterday. Admittedly not amazing opponents, but he looks great. Cox has the surest hands and spoil in the comp - good to know Ryan's kick out to him is still a sure thing. Ryan is a luxury at this point, there isn't a better 3rd tall in the comp; marks, spoils, rebounds, moves up to attack - the complete package.

Wagner: Cemented his place, gives great run and is becoming incredibly consistent with his decision making and execution.

Chappy: Been a bit off defensively the last few weeks, but still very effective. Superb once the ball starts moving forward, will just need to watch taking on the man against higher pressure teams (Syd/Carl/Bris). Another who can go up a level for finals.

Clarke: AA lock. Great defender with elite closing speed. Great mark and lethal coming off half-back or and coming forward. Reckon he's good from 65m on the run. Weapon.

Walker: Was a bit fumbly (hoping just rust) and seemed a little proppy at times, but must be in the top-5 lockdown smalls in the comp. Add that he can come forward and break lines, he's an instant in for me.

Aish: Best sub in the comp.

Banners: Does his job. Big body, runs hard, tackles, and invariably comes up with an important goal from time-to-time. Also an elite defensive tagger. The fact he's bottom 6 bodes well.

Switkowski: Essentially (with Young) is the other point guard in the team. Great burst and vision, supreme link up play and hard at the contest. Been one of the big improvers benefitting from rolling the mids forward. Hopefully they'll start pronouncing his name correctly soon.

Treacy: With Darcy arguably our most important player. Supreme around the field and I loved his enforcer role for Amiss yesterday. Clunks marks, wins contests, scores, deliver i50 beautifully, and gets players hearing footsteps. In Cameron/Curnow territory.

Amiss: Still not confident in his kicking, but his movement and leading is elite. Gets up the ground well. He'll get back to 66%+ efficiency, and really start hurting teams.

Sturt: Speedy and provides good pressure on opposing defenders. Yesterday showed his value in a game; if space starts to open up at all, he's lethal. Great mark and lead and demands a man as can roost it from 50+

So that's it. There's no one there who wouldn't make at least 5-6 other sides in the comp and we still have Johnno riding the pine, with Draper, Ras, Brodie, Voss etc in reserve.

It's one of the better squads out there, has depth and no major points of weakness. I've said previously we aren't favourites, but there isn't a single side we can't beat on our day. We also play well on the road and at the G. The window is open and this team is only going to get better. The players do their jobs and it's in the hands of the footy gods. We're as well placed as anyone. Enjoy it.

 

[Footskill]

Sorry but she is way off here and obviously not watching the game closely.
Eg. JOM only attended 2 CBs but states, “spent more at centre bounce than usual” JOM was planning with the 4 in the middle before going back to the wing. They had plans for when they took it out his side.

Agree. But for mine the comments about Banners wasn't correct.

His disposal actually was quite good yesterday, setting up 4 scoring shots opportunities off he top of my being Treacy (goal) , Freddy (point) , Walters (goal,) Amiss ( handball over the top but didn't collect) . Can't be grudge a snap on goal late in a game and wanting to kick one himself for starlight

Some of his ground balls were not bad with that handball over the top to Amiss, and one in our back half along boundary.

Was running up and down but often not used. One obvious AP was outside 50 and banners calling for it , and he was by himself for a long time

 

[Fred Ziffel]

I think it was Chappy playing on Fritsch mostly.

I almost forgot he was even playing until he bobbed up in the last to kick a point.

Bailey’s hair looked gorgeous though.

 

[oldgoat]

Some great posts and views expressed here; can tell we're getting our heads around being a force. Ultimately the only thing that stopped us destroying the Dees yesterday was straight kicking.

One aspect to keep an eye on in the pressure out of the middle - last week against the Hawks showed we could scrap it out and still play our game (huge step forward for mine there), but those Dogs and Eagles defeats still bring a bit of doubt in this area. We predominantly deal with it with grunt and speed: here's where Fyfe and Jackson need to improve - both are amazing at disrupting and Fyfe is especially good at off loading to advantage, but both take their time on the ball; against fiercer opponents they'll have to think quicker.

Young: Don't know what else to say, genuine top 5 midfielder and top 3 i50 kick in the comp. Hard as a cats head, great technique and sublime vision. If he improves further, heading into generational territory.

Brayshaw: As Snuff said, it's great to have him back. No one runs harder both ways, essentially gives us a spare man if his matchup isn't going full pelt. His defensive nous and effort is the best in the comp. Saved 2 goals at least yesterday with smothers/last ditch tackles.

Serong: Metronomic to the point of boring. Supreme extractor, lightning hands and now starting to add goals.

Fyfe: Wise head, clearly best in a clearance/run with role now. Offloaded to danger a couple of times yesterday, so needs to tighten that up, but his blocking and space creation for others was top-notch yesterday. Hopefully keeps it up in a high pressure, quicker game. If we end up vs Carlton, I'd sit him on Cripps.

Darcy: We would've won if he'd played against the Hawks. He's vital to structure and you can see the chemistry developing with the mids. Started to clunk a few yesterday too. If he gets his marking back to '22 levels then the 'safe' kick out down the line becomes perilous for the opposition and a platform for us. Can roost it from 50 too.

Jackson: Still needs to speed up his thought process (see above), but building nicely. Good set shot; just needs to start clunking them. If he starts one-grabbing even 50% of his marks watch out - probably one of the biggest areas for short-medium improvement that I see.

Walters: Did a job yesterday, but benefited from our forward movement and Melbourne being hit on turnover. In a tight game where he has to compete and create his own space, I fear he'll be a liability (lost two-yards of pace and strength in the contest). Legend, but prefer him on the bench.

Sharp: Runs all day, holds his position and always on hand for a release. Can also slot them from 50. Last few weeks though has been a little weak in the contest and squibbed a few kicks I'd expect him to hit lace out. If he can lift for finals could be huge.

Freddie: See my previous post. X-factor on transition, great field kick and marks between the arcs. If gets his goalkicking mojo back, watch out.

JOM: Seems to have gained a yard of pace. Hard at the contest, good tackler, decision maker and delivery i50, can also kick a goal. Highly versatile. Probably bottom 6, but again this speaks to the quality of the team as opposed to issues with JOM. Important structural piece for mine.

Ryan/Cox/Pearce: If this trio is fit and firing, only the Bulldogs really worry me offensively. It was noticeable yesterday how much drive out of the back Moose gives us when Cox is there.He did it earlier in the year a bit with Draper, but he was breaking lines for fun and launching attacks brilliantly yesterday. Admittedly not amazing opponents, but he looks great. Cox has the surest hands and spoil in the comp - good to know Ryan's kick out to him is still a sure thing. Ryan is a luxury at this point, there isn't a better 3rd tall in the comp; marks, spoils, rebounds, moves up to attack - the complete package.

Wagner: Cemented his place, gives great run and is becoming incredibly consistent with his decision making and execution.

Chappy: Been a bit off defensively the last few weeks, but still very effective. Superb once the ball starts moving forward, will just need to watch taking on the man against higher pressure teams (Syd/Carl/Bris). Another who can go up a level for finals.

Clarke: AA lock. Great defender with elite closing speed. Great mark and lethal coming off half-back or and coming forward. Reckon he's good from 65m on the run. Weapon.

Walker: Was a bit fumbly (hoping just rust) and seemed a little proppy at times, but must be in the top-5 lockdown smalls in the comp. Add that he can come forward and break lines, he's an instant in for me.

Aish: Best sub in the comp.

Banners: Does his job. Big body, runs hard, tackles, and invariably comes up with an important goal from time-to-time. Also an elite defensive tagger. The fact he's bottom 6 bodes well.

Switkowski: Essentially (with Young) is the other point guard in the team. Great burst and vision, supreme link up play and hard at the contest. Been one of the big improvers benefitting from rolling the mids forward. Hopefully they'll start pronouncing his name correctly soon.

Treacy: With Darcy arguably our most important player. Supreme around the field and I loved his enforcer role for Amiss yesterday. Clunks marks, wins contests, scores, deliver i50 beautifully, and gets players hearing footsteps. In Cameron/Curnow territory.

Amiss: Still not confident in his kicking, but his movement and leading is elite. Gets up the ground well. He'll get back to 66%+ efficiency, and really start hurting teams.

Sturt: Speedy and provides good pressure on opposing defenders. Yesterday showed his value in a game; if space starts to open up at all, he's lethal. Great mark and lead and demands a man as can roost it from 50+

So that's it. There's no one there who wouldn't make at least 5-6 other sides in the comp and we still have Johnno riding the pine, with Draper, Ras, Brodie, Voss etc in reserve.

It's one of the better squads out there, has depth and no major points of weakness. I've said previously we aren't favourites, but there isn't a single side we can't beat on our day. We also play well on the road and at the G. The window is open and this team is only going to get better. The players do their jobs and it's in the hands of the footy gods. We're as well placed as anyone. Enjoy it.

Nice report.
Yokai!

 

[FreoMatt]

This is why I find the criticism of Freddie on his thread misguided.

Yes he's not a high possession winner, and yes he doesn't get many tackles, but he provides a spark that I think we are noticeably lacking when he doesn't play.

I agree he needs to be stronger in the tackle when he gets the chance, but I disagree with judging him on possessions. If you start incentivising every player to be judged on possessions you end up with everyone hunting the ball, no one holding their width, no one committing to unrewarded running, and the team ends up being less than the sum of it's parts.

The way he is runs onto those forward handballs is special. That one from Fyfe he had a Melbourne player right on him but Freddy still has the time and ability to get away and deliver


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[pK75]

The way he is runs onto those forward handballs is special. That one from Fyfe he had a Melbourne player right on him but Freddy still has the time and ability to get away and deliver


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Yep, absolute luxury for the mids to just handball way out in front of him and know he’ll win the race to collect it.

 

[Mags98]

Some great posts and views expressed here; can tell we're getting our heads around being a force. Ultimately the only thing that stopped us destroying the Dees yesterday was straight kicking.

One aspect to keep an eye on in the pressure out of the middle - last week against the Hawks showed we could scrap it out and still play our game (huge step forward for mine there), but those Dogs and Eagles defeats still bring a bit of doubt in this area. We predominantly deal with it with grunt and speed: here's where Fyfe and Jackson need to improve - both are amazing at disrupting and Fyfe is especially good at off loading to advantage, but both take their time on the ball; against fiercer opponents they'll have to think quicker.

Young: Don't know what else to say, genuine top 5 midfielder and top 3 i50 kick in the comp. Hard as a cats head, great technique and sublime vision. If he improves further, heading into generational territory.

Brayshaw: As Snuff said, it's great to have him back. No one runs harder both ways, essentially gives us a spare man if his matchup isn't going full pelt. His defensive nous and effort is the best in the comp. Saved 2 goals at least yesterday with smothers/last ditch tackles.

Serong: Metronomic to the point of boring. Supreme extractor, lightning hands and now starting to add goals.

Fyfe: Wise head, clearly best in a clearance/run with role now. Offloaded to danger a couple of times yesterday, so needs to tighten that up, but his blocking and space creation for others was top-notch yesterday. Hopefully keeps it up in a high pressure, quicker game. If we end up vs Carlton, I'd sit him on Cripps.

Darcy: We would've won if he'd played against the Hawks. He's vital to structure and you can see the chemistry developing with the mids. Started to clunk a few yesterday too. If he gets his marking back to '22 levels then the 'safe' kick out down the line becomes perilous for the opposition and a platform for us. Can roost it from 50 too.

Jackson: Still needs to speed up his thought process (see above), but building nicely. Good set shot; just needs to start clunking them. If he starts one-grabbing even 50% of his marks watch out - probably one of the biggest areas for short-medium improvement that I see.

Walters: Did a job yesterday, but benefited from our forward movement and Melbourne being hit on turnover. In a tight game where he has to compete and create his own space, I fear he'll be a liability (lost two-yards of pace and strength in the contest). Legend, but prefer him on the bench.

Sharp: Runs all day, holds his position and always on hand for a release. Can also slot them from 50. Last few weeks though has been a little weak in the contest and squibbed a few kicks I'd expect him to hit lace out. If he can lift for finals could be huge.

Freddie: See my previous post. X-factor on transition, great field kick and marks between the arcs. If gets his goalkicking mojo back, watch out.

JOM: Seems to have gained a yard of pace. Hard at the contest, good tackler, decision maker and delivery i50, can also kick a goal. Highly versatile. Probably bottom 6, but again this speaks to the quality of the team as opposed to issues with JOM. Important structural piece for mine.

Ryan/Cox/Pearce: If this trio is fit and firing, only the Bulldogs really worry me offensively. It was noticeable yesterday how much drive out of the back Moose gives us when Cox is there.He did it earlier in the year a bit with Draper, but he was breaking lines for fun and launching attacks brilliantly yesterday. Admittedly not amazing opponents, but he looks great. Cox has the surest hands and spoil in the comp - good to know Ryan's kick out to him is still a sure thing. Ryan is a luxury at this point, there isn't a better 3rd tall in the comp; marks, spoils, rebounds, moves up to attack - the complete package.

Wagner: Cemented his place, gives great run and is becoming incredibly consistent with his decision making and execution.

Chappy: Been a bit off defensively the last few weeks, but still very effective. Superb once the ball starts moving forward, will just need to watch taking on the man against higher pressure teams (Syd/Carl/Bris). Another who can go up a level for finals.

Clarke: AA lock. Great defender with elite closing speed. Great mark and lethal coming off half-back or and coming forward. Reckon he's good from 65m on the run. Weapon.

Walker: Was a bit fumbly (hoping just rust) and seemed a little proppy at times, but must be in the top-5 lockdown smalls in the comp. Add that he can come forward and break lines, he's an instant in for me.

Aish: Best sub in the comp.

Banners: Does his job. Big body, runs hard, tackles, and invariably comes up with an important goal from time-to-time. Also an elite defensive tagger. The fact he's bottom 6 bodes well.

Switkowski: Essentially (with Young) is the other point guard in the team. Great burst and vision, supreme link up play and hard at the contest. Been one of the big improvers benefitting from rolling the mids forward. Hopefully they'll start pronouncing his name correctly soon.

Treacy: With Darcy arguably our most important player. Supreme around the field and I loved his enforcer role for Amiss yesterday. Clunks marks, wins contests, scores, deliver i50 beautifully, and gets players hearing footsteps. In Cameron/Curnow territory.

Amiss: Still not confident in his kicking, but his movement and leading is elite. Gets up the ground well. He'll get back to 66%+ efficiency, and really start hurting teams.

Sturt: Speedy and provides good pressure on opposing defenders. Yesterday showed his value in a game; if space starts to open up at all, he's lethal. Great mark and lead and demands a man as can roost it from 50+

So that's it. There's no one there who wouldn't make at least 5-6 other sides in the comp and we still have Johnno riding the pine, with Draper, Ras, Brodie, Voss etc in reserve.

It's one of the better squads out there, has depth and no major points of weakness. I've said previously we aren't favourites, but there isn't a single side we can't beat on our day. We also play well on the road and at the G. The window is open and this team is only going to get better. The players do their jobs and it's in the hands of the footy gods. We're as well placed as anyone. Enjoy it.

re JOM, i remember seeing him in defensive transition sometime in the last quarter, absolutely looked like usain bolt out there

 

[FreoMatt]

Fyfe = General.

Some here are in “Karen” mode, and love to be negative nannies about Fyfe. He directed a lot of plays, telling team mates where to go.

Played a very solid game, distributing the ball to team mates advantage. Not 1 metre handballs, but longer ones, opening up play.

I agree I think Fyfe played his role perfectly. Shut down Oliver, dished out handballs and blocked for Brayshaw/Serong and we even used his marking ability to switch the ball back into the centre. If he just does that every week we will go a long way


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[Spirit Level]

The guy the sits in front of me is the biggest moron, just a complete nuffy who wouldn't know a footy if it hit him in the head

 

[theGav56]

I’ve been a detractor of Sonny’s this year, but god would it be great if he started kicking regular bags this year.

Probably hoping for too much, sometimes our forwards got so loose it seemed like the Dees only had 2 defenders on the ground.

At the very least yesterday will make clubs nervous. That's a good thing for the team.

 

[DragoDelph]

So apparently we didn't have permission for the colour of Pearce's arm guard?

Pearce and club went screw it, we'll wear the fine, it's starlight.

Love it.

 

[MadMundy]

Sturt, Amiss and Treacy all cooking 3 goals plus yesterday, that's what I want to see weekly, Sturt has been massive for us, barely played half the season and he's nearly at 20 goals already.

 

[pK75]

Sturt, Amiss and Treacy all cooking 3 goals plus yesterday, that's what I want to see weekly, Sturt has been massive for us, barely played half the season and he's nearly at 20 goals already.

14 from 8 games is a fair effort, only behind JT for goals per game!

 

[FreoGirl]

Agree. But for mine the comments about Banners wasn't correct.

His disposal actually was quite good yesterday, setting up 4 scoring shots opportunities off he top of my being Treacy (goal) , Freddy (point) , Walters (goal,) Amiss ( handball over the top but didn't collect) . Can't be grudge a snap on goal late in a game and wanting to kick one himself for starlight

Some of his ground balls were not bad with that handball over the top to Amiss, and one in our back half along boundary.

Was running up and down but often not used. One obvious AP was outside 50 and banners calling for it , and he was by himself for a long time

I watched the game again last night and agree. Couldn't work out who the commentators were?

 

[freo1]

He’s always looked like this.

People would criticise Mark Waugh for his similarly laconic approach to smashing runs.

You can have guys with intensity also make errors. I’ve come to live with Cox simply being this sort of bloke, don’t actually think it means he’s not trying.

Can be infuriating, but he’s an absolute gun that’s going at about 70% right now.

You're right, he has always looked like this, and i get that it's kind of his nature, but since his return from injury he's turned the ball over or lost contests through lack of intensity that otherwise he wouldve won. ruthless top teams just dont let those mistakes happen. Just because it's in his nature also doesnt mean it's acceptable.

The example i mentioned yesterday is a simple error that can be fixed. I would bet the coaches would mention that to him.

Anyways, we're better for him in the team, and he's a gun, but he needs to improve a bit still.

 

[FreoGirl]

Bailey’s hair looked gorgeous though.

I was enjoying looking at Wagner