Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Supermegaultrathread - Now Starts A Long Offseason

[Carbine Chaos]

Genuine crumbing forwards rarely impact deep december unless they are absolutely elite. Even then the likes of Milne were basically unsighted in GFs.

There are a handful or genuinely elite pockets. Breust, Ballantyne, Wingard, Betts, Rioli and Walters joining them... sure bring those guys in as all bar Betts can role through the midfield.

Garlett is a mile behind those blokes IMO - he is more lindsay thomas/travis colyer than those blokes

Garlett has basically the same game-goal ratio as Ballantyne and has played most of his career in a sub-par team. It is too easily forgotten how damaging he can be when up and about.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Doesn't concern us, but posted this on the DT board re Beams:

5-team trades are usually hilariously unlikely but in this case it's really two separate deals involving Collingwood - a Clark/Lumumba deal and a Beams/Greenwood deal.

Clark to Geelong for pick 33
Lumumba to Melbourne for pick 33

Beams and pick 33 to Brisbane for picks 4 and 22
Greenwood to Collingwood for pick 22
____

Collingwood get: Greenwood, pick 4
Collingwood lose: Beams, Lumumba

Brisbane get: Beams, pick 33
Brisbane lose: Pick 4, pick 22

Geelong get: Clark
Geelong lose: pick 33

Melbourne get: Lumumba
Melbourne lose: Clark

North Melbourne get: Pick 22
North Melbourne lose: Greenwood

Thoughts? Who am I ripping off?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Garlett has basically the same game-goal ratio as Ballantyne and has played most of his career in a sub-par team. It is too easily forgotten how damaging he can be when up and about.

If he is that good... why is he being shopped around with very little interest?

He comes with a heap of baggage, isn't an elite talent and plays a role that isn't overly pressing. That doesn't describe "must have" to me.

I'd prefer him over Josh Hill in terms of role, but Josh has been re-signed so that is done

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Doesn't concern us, but posted this on the DT board re Beams:

Collingwood lose out there

Beams would secure 4 and Greenwood IMO

So the Prince goes without value

 

[Carbine Chaos]

If he is that good... why is he being shopped around with very little interest?

The personal issues, and how he has completely fallen off the radar this season are the obvious responses. I clearly just rate him higher than you do.

 

[Eagle87]

Genuine crumbing forwards rarely impact deep december unless they are absolutely elite. Even then the likes of Milne were basically unsighted in GFs.

There are a handful or genuinely elite pockets. Breust, Ballantyne, Wingard, Betts, Rioli and Walters joining them... sure bring those guys in as all bar Betts can role through the midfield.

Garlett is a mile behind those blokes IMO - he is more lindsay thomas/travis colyer than those blokes

"Deep December"? Is that code?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

"Deep December"? Is that code?

How many forward pockets have scored centuries in the boxing day test?

Only good for a cheap wicket tossing down some spin with the quicks are tired and the game is over

 

[Eagle87]

On Garlett, I like you have little interest, BUT I'd rather have him on our list than McGinnity & Carter ....

 

[dajesmac]

Holy crap...and this is why there is such a thing as a sports scientist and better yet strength and conditioning specialist. Pushing legs apart (leg abduction) isolates a couple glute muscles and is hardly a functional football movement.

Nah it was a variety of different movements he was measuring I was just too lazy to list them all cause I can't remember.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Collingwood lose out there

Beams would secure 4 and Greenwood IMO

So the Prince goes without value

If you agree that North getting pick 22 for Greenwood is about right, then you're saying Beams is worth Brisbane's first two picks (4 and 22).

I think he's worth more than pick 4 on its own, but not that much more. Basically it was pick 4 plus an upgrade in the second round from 33 to 22.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

If you agree that North getting pick 22 for Greenwood is about right, then you're saying Beams is worth Brisbane's first two picks (4 and 22).

I think he's worth more than pick 4 on its own, but not that much more. Basically it was pick 4 plus an upgrade in the second round from 33 to 22.

I think he is worth 4 and 22 personally

 

[The Falcon Strike]

On Garlett, I like you have little interest, BUT I'd rather have him on our list than McGinnity & Carter ....

Mcginnity yes, because he plays the same role

Carter - whilst I think he has been tried, I don't see him competing with a bloke other end of the ground.

Still Carter and Wilson are uncontracted I believe - so they could either be traded or moved on still

 

[Eagle87]

Mcginnity yes, because he plays the same role

Carter - whilst I think he has been tried, I don't see him competing with a bloke other end of the ground.

Still Carter and Wilson are uncontracted I believe - so they could either be traded or moved on still

My point on Garlett is he is an AFL level talent.

The other 2 aren't

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Doesn't concern us, but posted this on the DT board re Beams:

5-team trades are usually hilariously unlikely but in this case it's really two separate deals involving Collingwood - a Clark/Lumumba deal and a Beams/Greenwood deal.

Clark to Geelong for pick 33
Lumumba to Melbourne for pick 33

Beams and pick 33 to Brisbane for picks 4 and 22
Greenwood to Collingwood for pick 22
____

Collingwood get: Greenwood, pick 4
Collingwood lose: Beams, Lumumba

Brisbane get: Beams, pick 33
Brisbane lose: Pick 4, pick 22

Geelong get: Clark
Geelong lose: pick 33

Melbourne get: Lumumba
Melbourne lose: Clark

North Melbourne get: Pick 22
North Melbourne lose: Greenwood

Thoughts? Who am I ripping off?

Doesn't concern us, but posted this on the DT board re Beams:

5-team trades are usually hilariously unlikely but in this case it's really two separate deals involving Collingwood - a Clark/Lumumba deal and a Beams/Greenwood deal.

Clark to Geelong for pick 33
Lumumba to Melbourne for pick 33

Beams and pick 33 to Brisbane for picks 4 and 22
Greenwood to Collingwood for pick 22
____

Collingwood get: Greenwood, pick 4
Collingwood lose: Beams, Lumumba

Brisbane get: Beams, pick 33
Brisbane lose: Pick 4, pick 22

Geelong get: Clark
Geelong lose: pick 33

Melbourne get: Lumumba
Melbourne lose: Clark

North Melbourne get: Pick 22
North Melbourne lose: Greenwood

Thoughts? Who am I ripping off?

I think it is pretty spot on no one really loses out
except
Lumumba > 33 but that's because I think he is a flog and don't value him at all . Very much not worth Melbourne second rounder .( 23)

I think everyone would be happy with that trade .
North may think greenwood is worth more but this time last year he looked like getting delisted an his disposal is sub par so 22 is about right IMO .

 

[dajesmac]

Doesn't concern us, but posted this on the DT board re Beams:

5-team trades are usually hilariously unlikely but in this case it's really two separate deals involving Collingwood - a Clark/Lumumba deal and a Beams/Greenwood deal.

Clark to Geelong for pick 33
Lumumba to Melbourne for pick 33

Beams and pick 33 to Brisbane for picks 4 and 22
Greenwood to Collingwood for pick 22
____

Collingwood get: Greenwood, pick 4
Collingwood lose: Beams, Lumumba

Brisbane get: Beams, pick 33
Brisbane lose: Pick 4, pick 22

Geelong get: Clark
Geelong lose: pick 33

Melbourne get: Lumumba
Melbourne lose: Clark

North Melbourne get: Pick 22
North Melbourne lose: Greenwood

Thoughts? Who am I ripping off?

Looks like a good deal on value for me. My only question would be whether the Pies would want someone like Greenwood when they're basically consigned to a few years down the bottom. Maybe though.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Looks like a good deal on value for me. My only question would be whether the Pies would want someone like Greenwood when they're basically consigned to a few years down the bottom. Maybe though.

I read an article saying they were keen on him, which is what got me thinking about it. No idea how accurate the article was, of course.

 

[jatz14]

Holy crap...and this is why there is such a thing as a sports scientist and better yet strength and conditioning specialist. Pushing legs apart (leg abduction) isolates a couple glute muscles and is hardly a functional football movement. That physio should stick to professional massage. As for bench pressing 60kg for as many reps as possible, please explain to me how chest endurance is any indicator of anything to do with AFL? Unless you propose your players all run and carry the ball and fend off the opposition one after another till you reach the goals. In the case i guess we should propose a one arm dumbell bench endurance test! Not trying to be a dick but seriously like someone said we might aswell get them to toss kegs over a lake or something...About the only strength test I would propose is possibly a squat and even then its hardly necessary at this point.

I think that is the point. Isolate muscles that are not really functional football muscles, and are not heavily trained, and measure the strength of them as a proxy for `natural` strength. A bit like the way rugby clubs measure wrist thickness to determine body type and ability to withstand the hits.

 

[liam123]

I think that is the point. Isolate muscles that are not really functional football muscles, and are not heavily trained, and measure the strength of them as a proxy for `natural` strength. A bit like the way rugby clubs measure wrist thickness to determine body type and ability to withstand the hits.

your right wrist thickness can determine a few things but isolating a couple muscles is not how its done trust me...Dont get me wrong glutes are important for running but other than body building, correcting imbalances and for injury situations isolations are pretty much useless for training regimes let alone deciding who to draft..

 

[Ian Dargie]

Genuine crumbing forwards rarely impact deep december unless they are absolutely elite.

"Deep December"? Is that code?

Crumbing forwards rarely dominate Christmas.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Crumbing forwards rarely dominate Christmas.

Which is why I don't rate them - there is no better time to gather the crumbs than at Christmas...

 

[Jandamarra]

Is Weller a Similar player to Masten?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Is Weller a Similar player to Masten?

Taller and has pace . Weller also doesn't seem to shit himself at the contested ball !

 

[Jandamarra]

Taller and has pace . Weller also doesn't seem to shit himself at the contested ball !

Im just a little worried. Been reading up on Masten's draft profile from back in 2007. Apparently he was a contested king back in the day- yet his frail bod has meant this hasn't translated to AFL form. One of the big criticisms of Weller is his lack of strength, even at the U18 level (181cm 71kg), meaning that he'll probably play on the outside with masto. I dont think this is the kind of player we need to be honest, he'd just be Masto 2.0 Electric Boogaloo

Albeit 2cm taller and with better kicking skills. Wont be elite IMO and will be very susceptible to the tag.

 

[Underdog]

Really interested to see how/if our drafting strategy changes this year under Simpson. We've have a heavy emphasis on WA players for some time. Merely one example of how we've been "playing it safe".

 

[SpaceClef]

Taller and has pace . Weller also doesn't seem to shit himself at the contested ball !

Masten was one of the best inside mids in his draft pool at the time. Weller is 1 or 2 centimetres taller than Masten.

Let's not start overrating the draft prospects too much.