List Mgmt. Delistings Menzel and Murdoch

[Cattery]

Really hoping we redrafted him but that's out the window now, love to see him ace it at the Swans.

Would have thought we could find space on our list for a medium forward who has averaged two goals a game the last two seasons, hopefully we'll replace him with a good young player who gets on the park regularly, someone like Cockatoo, or maybe McCarthy or Gregson.

 

[Max Milburn]

Seems like a distant dream now.

 

[YY_Cat]

I'm still feeling it!

I'm so glad that Menzel can still continue his footy career.

Sydney Swan is my second team after Geelong now.

 

[hamG]

If our lad unleashes high level lateral defensive movements at the Swans I dunno someone owes someone something.

 

[Max Milburn]

It is what it is.
No regerts (as the infamous tattoo once said).

 

[Down at K Park]

It is what it is.
No regerts (as the infamous tattoo once said).

Ragrets.

 

[Max Milburn]

Ragrets.

That one too.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Ragrets.

New Zealand kids.

 

[Partridge]

What chance we see Thurlow and Menzel, both as premiership players for Swans in 2019?
I'd be rapt for them.

I'm going with zero.

 

[year of the cat]

What chance we see Thurlow and Menzel, both as premiership players for Swans in 2019?
I'd be rapt for them.

It would be an indictment on our club if they were, particularly Thurlow.

 

[Hinkley29]

It would be an indictment on our club if they were, particularly Thurlow.

Why?

Players find second chances at other clubs all the time, some of them even become premiership players at their second club. It is not that uncommon, are these players all indictments on their original club?

Players move clubs. It is not a new phenomenon.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

It would be an indictment on our club if they were, particularly Thurlow.

Vardy?

 

[Hamingja]

Depends on the player and the circumstances doesn't.

Simpkin was a decent depth player only. Right time, right place at Hawthorn. No indictment.

Hamling was an untried kid that was delisted. KPD was a strength with Taylor and Lonergan so wrong time, wrong place at Geelong. You could argue I guess that recruiting Rivers limited his opportunities. Ultimately the guy played 1 good season for the Dogs and then turned around and took the cash on offer to go home straight after winning a flag so even if he came good with us would he have stayed long term.....probably not IMO if the bond of winning a flag wasn't enough to stay at the Dogs. No indictment.

Caddy was underperforming with Geelong. Moved to Richmond, despite the noise he ended up playing the same role at Richmond as at Geelong, improved markedly and played a good season in a flag winning team. Absolutely an indictment on Geelong here. Parfitt will be a good player, maybe ultimately better than Caddy, but that comes down to Wells/luck more than anything and the lack of development of Caddy at Geelong is 100% an indictment on the club.

Vardy has more natural talent than Simpkin obviously but he was similarly lucky with Nic Nat being injured and falling into a premiership side. Lots of injuries at Geelong, hip and knee and stuff the club couldn't do a lot about, didn't help himself in his last year at the club. Not an indictment for me.

 

[year of the cat]

Why?

Players find second chances at other clubs all the time, some of them even become premiership players at their second club. It is not that uncommon, are these players all indictments on their original club?

Players move clubs. It is not a new phenomenon.

True. But I think with Thurlow he didn't appear to be given the same opportunities afforded to others, particularly when you consider he was returning from an ACL. I actually thought he showed some really promising signs last season. Won't surprise me at all if he goes on to have a decent career now.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

despite the noise he ended up playing the same role at Richmond as at Geelong

Not really. He spent more time in the midfield at Geelong than Richmond. We didn't really use him in the specialist forward role that Richmond appointed him to.

 

[Landgraft]

True. But I think with Thurlow he didn't appear to be given the same opportunities afforded to others, particularly when you consider he was returning from an ACL. I actually thought he showed some really promising signs last season. Won't surprise me at all if he goes on to have a decent career now.

How many more senior games did you want him to be gifted?

He had chances and didn't take them. That's on him, not the club.

 

[CatRiot]

I think Menzel will be good at the Swans at the SCG. Small ground, harder for defenders to break free. I think they have plenty of nippy players to support forward pressure.

 

[Vdubs]

Depends on the player and the circumstances doesn't.

Simpkin was a decent depth player only. Right time, right place at Hawthorn. No indictment.

Hamling was an untried kid that was delisted. KPD was a strength with Taylor and Lonergan so wrong time, wrong place at Geelong. You could argue I guess that recruiting Rivers limited his opportunities. Ultimately the guy played 1 good season for the Dogs and then turned around and took the cash on offer to go home straight after winning a flag so even if he came good with us would he have stayed long term.....probably not IMO if the bond of winning a flag wasn't enough to stay at the Dogs. No indictment.

Caddy was underperforming with Geelong. Moved to Richmond, despite the noise he ended up playing the same role at Richmond as at Geelong, improved markedly and played a good season in a flag winning team. Absolutely an indictment on Geelong here. Parfitt will be a good player, maybe ultimately better than Caddy, but that comes down to Wells/luck more than anything and the lack of development of Caddy at Geelong is 100% an indictment on the club.

Vardy has more natural talent than Simpkin obviously but he was similarly lucky with Nic Nat being injured and falling into a premiership side. Lots of injuries at Geelong, hip and knee and stuff the club couldn't do a lot about, didn't help himself in his last year at the club. Not an indictment for me.

Good post.
Agree with all except the Caddy scenario. He has proved himself to be an opportunist, and it so turns out moving to Tigerland was a dream move for him. Perfect timing. I still see him as limited and with us, he wanted to be a mid and (rightly) felt his opportunities were going to be an issue with Danger, SS, Duncan, Menegola ahead of him. He was also behind Guthrie.
His role at Richmond, near goals all the time, is a winner. He wasn't happy to be that forward at Geelong.

 

[ATSAM]

How many more senior games did you want him to be gifted?

He had chances and didn't take them. That's on him, not the club.

Thin he was given three games this year, two were on the basis of play one week not the next then picked for the third then not the next. This does not ,has never and will never give players their 'best chance'.

 

[year of the cat]

How many more senior games did you want him to be gifted?

He had chances and didn't take them. That's on him, not the club.

Serious? Compared to Kolo, Murdoch, Guthrie x2, early days of Blicavs etc etc. Thurlow was given a raw deal compared to many.

 

[Max Milburn]

Not sure why there is always so much angst about players who are moved on.
Jackson is a Swan's player now. He gets his chance to prove the GFC wrong.
Like Caddy though, I don't really care that much if he makes it or not.
Same goes for Menz and Murdoch.

 

[longtimecat]

Personally, I respect every player that has ever pulled on the hoops; because I know to get just one game at Geelong proves they are infinitely better footballers than I ever was.

 

[Max Milburn]

Personally, I respect every player that has ever pulled on the hoops; because I know to get just one game at Geelong proves they are infinitely better footballers than I ever was.

I respect them, and while they wore the hoops I supported them to the hilt.
But they wear opposition jumpers now. I wish them well, but I am no longer invested in them.

 

[Vdubs]

Personally, I respect every player that has ever pulled on the hoops; because I know to get just one game at Geelong proves they are infinitely better footballers than I ever was.

Never a truer post, relevant for all of us that post here.
One reason why I detest the belittlement and near hatred of players that we read here every week.

 

[Landgraft]

Thin he was given three games this year, two were on the basis of play one week not the next then picked for the third then not the next. This does not ,has never and will never give players their 'best chance'.

Seven games this year (rounds 5-9 as well as 20 and 22), ten games last year (rounds 1-5, 7 and 20-22). Never stood out anywhere near enough to justify the way people would talk him up.

Serious? Compared to Kolo, Murdoch, Guthrie x2, early days of Blicavs etc etc. Thurlow was given a raw deal compared to many.

He was given 46 games with Geelong despite delivering very little most of the time in a non-essential position (see also: why I wasn't very excited with the Clark selection). He may not have been given the armchair ride that Murda was, but its not as if many people on here think Murda should have been persisted with nearly as much.

Personally, I respect every player that has ever pulled on the hoops; because I know to get just one game at Geelong proves they are infinitely better footballers than I ever was.

This I can get behind 100%. And discussions of footballers should always remember that they are comparing very high performing people who have channeled a hugely significant portion of their life to reach even the starting point of getting onto a list.