Demetriou blocked Tassie team bid

[g-man]

The game does.

The AFL however does not comprise the entirety of the game. There are other competitions.

It does control the game though. Why is it that when a club is struggling financially people bring up the point that the game is about the grassroots supporter and that the club must be helped to survive, that it shouldn't be about the money but the argument against Tassie is that it won't increase broadcast rights and grow the game, making it about the money?

 

[RoyalBlue]

Port people, seriously.

 

[g-man]

Don't talk about emotion.

Because that's the only reason there are still so many sides based in Melbourne.

People have selective memories. If it wasn't for emotion and passion then we wouldn't have an 18 team competition. It's the reason why we have the greatest game on this planet. Without emotion and passion then where would all those clubs who were struggling to stay afloat be? That includes my own club. At one stage or another nearly every club has needed that emotion and passion to stay afloat. Every club and the AFL banks on it. That's why memberships are up, sponsorship dollars are up and the broadcast rights are up. It's fuelled by the emotion and passion of the supporters who drive this game.

 

[R00StaR]

Yes, the first big step to permanent relocation. The AFL want North to relocate to Tasmania, but it isn't the highest priority on their agenda and they don't want to be seen as pushing them there ala the Gold Coast. The AFL like the Fitzroy/South Melbourne model where by they lose perhaps 50% of the smallest club supporters in Melbourne, but when the Tasmania Kangaroos play in Melbourne they may still get 6,7,8,000 of their old supporters who haven't let them go come to the games. As I said it's not the highest priority at the moment, but I dare say it is their long term vision.

Give it a rest, we'll be playing home games in Melb/ Ballarat. We aint going anywhere.

 

[Rioli magic]

It does control the game though. Why is it that when a club is struggling financially people bring up the point that the game is about the grassroots supporter and that the club must be helped to survive, that it shouldn't be about the money but the argument against Tassie is that it won't increase broadcast rights and grow the game, making it about the money?

Because they are two different things and the AFL commission is employed to represent the clubs that already exist.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

All the Tasmanians have to do is Boycott all fixtures in Tassie for the year.

No one turn up, cut there sponsorship of the Hawks and who ever else.

Force the AFL hands and make sure they do it very publicly.

In my view Tassie should have a team, in fact it is ridiculous they never had a side in the VFL some 30-40 years ago.

Did they ever try to?? Be interested in knowing this.

 

[g-man]

Because they are two different things and the AFL commission is employed to represent the clubs that already exist.

I'm not talking about the AFL, I'm talking about supporters and people who post on BF. People who make the argument that the game isn't about money, that it's about the supporter and the passion and emotion involved in the game. People are arguing that Tassie should have a side because they are already passionate AFL supporters and won't add to money to the AFL.

 

[blackcat]

its not just Demetriou, its the Colin Carter Boston Consulting strategy.

Look at what they wished to do with the HOF?

That was Gillon McLachlan's brother Hamish the smug close-talker and sleazy flirt the Worst Person in the World, and the AFL now strategy and marketing exec, and another former Boston guy Andrew Catterall, they lost money in the boondoggle that was the HOF & Sensation, lots of creditors lost out there.

They wanted to make it Sciensworks in Spotswood come AFL museum, wes never gonna work, they had toughly pitched it on the Baseball HOF in Cooperstown upstate NY. But that for a population of 300 million where baseball is all statistics and babe memorabilia. Cricket has a far great hold in the southern states even, on those terms, being able to convert people into a baseball type hof / museum consumer. That is American. We just play footy. We dont kick a footy into a Spotswood science exhibition. We go to the park. AFL have made major failured, like the invitation of a betting culture, which profoundly alters the way people watch and view a sport, thru the prism of odds, betting, gambling. Not enjoyment in the game for the games sake. This is gonna have vast ramifications for the future of the game and the culture of support and fandom.

And this we have to blame, Demetriou, Carter, Gillon Mclachlan, Andrew Catteral, Adrian Anderson, and more of the Boston Consulting guys/gals.

 

[smasha]

how much was a tassie team going to add to the broadcast rights?

$0. if itwas at the expense of GWS possibly -$

He's doing his job ffs.. and its a pretty serious job thats pretty hard to manage without offending someone along the way. FFS ease up on the AFL bashing. Its an organisation doing its job.
He knows how to deal with governments.. infact, its quite obvious he is quite brilliant at it. this is the same guy who got Qld and NSW governments to actually pay for AFL stadiums! So where were all your acknowledgements of that success? None, because you guys ahve got nothging useful to say except throw insults at a pretty easy target.. the boss.
aas if you guys woiuld know any better how to do it!

He'd make a great real estate agent.

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

Tasmanian govt is reminding me of a chick who will sleep with any dude who tries, but then whinges that men dont respect her. Desperate for love and affection, she becomes the town bike, but doesnt realise that only when she stops being everyones booty call, will she get a dude that loves and respects her.

Tassie ought to go back to AD, and tell him, Hawthorn and North to piss off. Then spend the money they are paying Hawthorn and North evenly amongst the TFL clubs to recruit the BEST non AFL players in the country. Make the TFL the best non AFL league in Australia, and sustain a league that packs out games each week and tell the AFL when they are serious about a committed, long term respectful relationship, they will then spread their legs again.

Until they have the balls to do that, they'll continue to be a booty call and a quick buck to sinking Melbourne clubs, and will have only themselves to blame for being dis respected.

 

[Stamos]

It was a ridiculous whinge of an article.

Sounds like Vlad was rude, which isn't good, but is also irrelevant to Tasmania getting their own team.

The Tassie bid is pretty much like the Australian bid for the Soccer World Cup, where there was a complete lack of understanding by the bidders of what the desired outcomes were. In the AFL case, the expansion was to get a foothold into the growing populations of the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney. That is all. Everything else is irrelevant.

I have relatives in Tassie, one of whom is very involved in the corporate side of the games played in Launceston. He said there is no way that Tasmania could currently support their own AFL team, and they can hardly get enough support for the games that Hawthorn play there. The issue with the North/South divide has already been mentioned.

Tasmanian supporters need to be realistic. There are two ways they will get their own team:
1) The next expansion, which will be to 20 teams. This is at least 15-20 years away, probably more.
2) The relocation of a weaker Melbourne side.

It is infantile to complain about a team being put into GWS. This has nothing to do with a team not being put into Tassie.

 

[blackcat]

see: Greenbay Packers.

 

[g-man]

It was a ridiculous whinge of an article.

Sounds like Vlad was rude, which isn't good, but is also irrelevant to Tasmania getting their own team.

The Tassie bid is pretty much like the Australian bid for the Soccer World Cup, where there was a complete lack of understanding by the bidders of what the desired outcomes were. In the AFL case, the expansion was to get a foothold into the growing populations of the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney. That is all. Everything else is irrelevant.

I have relatives in Tassie, one of whom is very involved in the corporate side of the games played in Launceston. He said there is no way that Tasmania could currently support their own AFL team, and they can hardly get enough support for the games that Hawthorn play there. The issue with the North/South divide has already been mentioned.

Tasmanian supporters need to be realistic. There are two ways they will get their own team:
1) The next expansion, which will be to 20 teams. This is at least 15-20 years away, probably more.
2) The relocation of a weaker Melbourne side.

It is infantile to complain about a team being put into GWS. This has nothing to do with a team not being put into Tassie.

There's a good reason for that. Most people here aren't Hawthorn supporters. Why would I, as a Collingwood supporter, go and watch Hawthorn. I wouldn't support a failed Melbourne team being relocated here either. I would buy a membership and go to games if it was a Tasmanian team.

I don't believe for one minute that Tasmania will ever get a team. The AFL simply doesn't want us, apart from our money that is. That's not a whinge, it's simply stating the obvious. There will be a team in New Zealand before there is ever one in Tassie. I've simply been arguing that there should be one and that Tasmanians deserve a team of their own.

 

[Jade]

There a few on here trying to deny the commercial realities. Think what you want, but there is simply no way around it - a second Sydney team has a far greater impact on the AFL's major revenue stream (broadcast rights) than a team in Tassie does. A second Sydney team also has a far greater scope for growth than a Tassie side.

It is a romantic notion, placing a team in Tassie. I think most of us would like to see it. Yes, Tassie could support a side. Yes, they would be self sustaining, commericially successful and popular. I think it's important to note however, that a new AFL team has to benefit the competition as a whole to warrant the extraordinary investment required to get it off the ground.

When faced with the decision on how to best serve the game as a whole, the AFL realy had no choice but to expand into Gold Coast and Sydney - two places with the capacity for growth and the potential to make a tangible difference to the bottom line. This article, to be honest, implies that Tasmania asked for a box-ticking exercise, a 'what do we have to do' list in order to guarantee admission. Stark reality is that the answer is to multiply your population by a factor of 10; something which they clearly can't do.

In my opinion, the refusal of the Kangaroos to move to the Gold Coast ended any chances of a Tassie side; due to the fact that a 'new' franchise had to be created in their place. Had GWS been the 17th side Tassie might have been a realistic option as an 18th. But then again, who's to say that if that had occurred, the AFL wouldn't have cast an eye over to WA and given serious thought to establishing a third side there?

I'd like to see a Tassie side, just as much as I'd love a Darwin based team. I don't think either are likely in the next twenty years.

 

[Jade]

It was a ridiculous whinge of an article.

Sounds like Vlad was rude, which isn't good, but is also irrelevant to Tasmania getting their own team.

The Tassie bid is pretty much like the Australian bid for the Soccer World Cup, where there was a complete lack of understanding by the bidders of what the desired outcomes were. In the AFL case, the expansion was to get a foothold into the growing populations of the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney. That is all. Everything else is irrelevant.

I have relatives in Tassie, one of whom is very involved in the corporate side of the games played in Launceston. He said there is no way that Tasmania could currently support their own AFL team, and they can hardly get enough support for the games that Hawthorn play there. The issue with the North/South divide has already been mentioned.

Tasmanian supporters need to be realistic. There are two ways they will get their own team:
1) The next expansion, which will be to 20 teams. This is at least 15-20 years away, probably more.
2) The relocation of a weaker Melbourne side.

It is infantile to complain about a team being put into GWS. This has nothing to do with a team not being put into Tassie.

Aside from Tassie being able to support a side (which I believe they could); I completely agree with this.

 

[Jade]

I don't believe for one minute that Tasmania will ever get a team. The AFL simply doesn't want us, apart from our money that is. That's not a whinge, it's simply stating the obvious. There will be a team in New Zealand before there is ever one in Tassie. I've simply been arguing that there should be one and that Tasmanians deserve a team of their own.

You're right, a New Zealand team would come about before a Tassie team in all likelihood.

I'm curious though, as to why you think Tassie DESERVE a team in the AFL. Do they have some claim or right to it, above say GWS?

 

[Jade]

see: Greenbay Packers.

Green Bay are able to generate support all over the country, and attract substantial attention. Do you think Tasmania could do the same?

 

[Jade]

how much was a tassie team going to add to the broadcast rights?

$0. if itwas at the expense of GWS possibly -$

He's doing his job ffs.. and its a pretty serious job thats pretty hard to manage without offending someone along the way. FFS ease up on the AFL bashing. Its an organisation doing its job.
He knows how to deal with governments.. infact, its quite obvious he is quite brilliant at it. this is the same guy who got Qld and NSW governments to actually pay for AFL stadiums! So where were all your acknowledgements of that success? None, because you guys ahve got nothging useful to say except throw insults at a pretty easy target.. the boss.
aas if you guys woiuld know any better how to do it!

Correct, It's the concept of opportunity cost. I'm sure arguments could (and have) been made that Tasmania could support a side and help in its modest way increase the bottom line.

BUT, is it as much as GWS could potentially do? Don't think anyone would be silly enough to make that argument. The AFL needs to consider that.

 

[Rioli magic]

I've simply been arguing that there should be one and that Tasmanians deserve a team of their own.

But you haven't put up any arguments, all you've said is they are passionate and want one.

 

[sherb]

It was a ridiculous whinge of an article.

Sounds like Vlad was rude, which isn't good, but is also irrelevant to Tasmania getting their own team.

The Tassie bid is pretty much like the Australian bid for the Soccer World Cup, where there was a complete lack of understanding by the bidders of what the desired outcomes were. In the AFL case, the expansion was to get a foothold into the growing populations of the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney. That is all. Everything else is irrelevant.

I have relatives in Tassie, one of whom is very involved in the corporate side of the games played in Launceston. He said there is no way that Tasmania could currently support their own AFL team, and they can hardly get enough support for the games that Hawthorn play there. The issue with the North/South divide has already been mentioned.

Tasmanian supporters need to be realistic. There are two ways they will get their own team:
1) The next expansion, which will be to 20 teams. This is at least 15-20 years away, probably more.
2) The relocation of a weaker Melbourne side.

It is infantile to complain about a team being put into GWS. This has nothing to do with a team not being put into Tassie.

If you are talking from a supporter point of view, it's hardly a surprise.

Non-Hawthorn supporters are hardly going to run along regularly to watch a side they don't support. Especially when the games are against sides such as Port, Freo, Adelaide, etc. Would you?

It's going to be the same situation in Hobart when North play such sides. North vs Port (or whoever). Now there's a salivating prospect.

It's fine to say that football is being provided to an AFL starved public, but when it is two sides playing that you will never have an interest in, the novelty wears off. And it shows.

The big Melbourne clubs (which a lot of Tassie's support) are never seen down there, or very rarely. Let's see Hawthorn play Carlton, or Essendon, or Collingwood, or Richmond at York Park, if they are so devoted to the Tasmanian cause. Then you will see a crowd. Because even the neutrals would be interested in those games.

It won't happen of course, because this isn't about providing football that the Tasmanian public want to see. It is about giving a financial pipeline to a couple of Melbourne clubs and giving the AFL a convenient out to the question of Tasmania having its own side.

As I've said before, what the Tasmanian public is getting at present (compared to having its own side) is leftovers. Seconds. Slops. The sad thing is that so many here support that happening.

 

[sherb]

Green Bay are able to generate support all over the country, and attract substantial attention. Do you think Tasmania could do the same?

Why not?

 

[g-man]

You're right, a New Zealand team would come about before a Tassie team in all likelihood.

I'm curious though, as to why you think Tassie DESERVE a team in the AFL. Do they have some claim or right to it, above say GWS?

Why don't we deserve one? Why is it that every state has at least 2 teams yet Tasmania (the last time I looked we are still a state of Australia) doesn't even have one.

I, like most of my family and friends buy a membership, buy merchandise, travel to Melbourne to watch games. We passionately support the AFL, we live and breathe the game. Then think of all the players that have come from this state, this state has produced some of the games greatest. Most boys grow up dreaming of playing in the AFL, so why can't they have a chance of playing here in their own state for a Tasmanian team. Tasmanians are every bit as passionate about the game as people from Victoria, Western Australia, South Australia yet we don't have a team. Why are people from other states more deserving?

Are we not deserving of being included in this nations sporting events and competitions? Apart from cricket there isn't one national competition that includes a Tasmanian team.

 

[Oakland Raider]

It was a ridiculous whinge of an article.

Sounds like Vlad was rude, which isn't good, but is also irrelevant to Tasmania getting their own team.

The Tassie bid is pretty much like the Australian bid for the Soccer World Cup, where there was a complete lack of understanding by the bidders of what the desired outcomes were. In the AFL case, the expansion was to get a foothold into the growing populations of the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney. That is all. Everything else is irrelevant.

I have relatives in Tassie, one of whom is very involved in the corporate side of the games played in Launceston. He said there is no way that Tasmania could currently support their own AFL team, and they can hardly get enough support for the games that Hawthorn play there. The issue with the North/South divide has already been mentioned.

Tasmanian supporters need to be realistic. There are two ways they will get their own team:
1) The next expansion, which will be to 20 teams. This is at least 15-20 years away, probably more.
2) The relocation of a weaker Melbourne side.

It is infantile to complain about a team being put into GWS. This has nothing to do with a team not being put into Tassie.

Most inaccurate post ever on bf. In fact its bs.

 

[g-man]

But you haven't put up any arguments, all you've said is they are passionate and want one.

Then change arguing to stating. Does that help. I've argued the points of why in other threads on this subject and kind of get tired going over the same stuff. Just as I'm tired of know it all mainlanders claiming they know the ins and outs of a state they barely know exists.

 

[Jade]

Why not?

Well I suppose when you consider that both Brisbane and Sydney struggle to generate much support outside of their home bases; despite having real ties to Melbourne it doesn't fill me with confidence that a new Tassie based franchise would do any better.