Play Nice Derailed, (The Place to Continue Off-Topic Discussion)

[gouki88]

And has spent a lot of time in aboriginal communities. Albo did a few hours in a luncheon in Alice Springs then rushed off to the tennis for 3 days. If he had any balls he would have walked the streets with a police patrol ( without prior notice) to see what’s actually going on.

I was wondering when the "he's been in their communities" nonsense would come out on Uncle Tony. He's a ****-wit

 

[Cyclops]

Which general are you referring to?

Monash. Arguably the greatest Australian citizen, who contributed enormously in war and peace. Compare with any of the Murdochs, "journalists" who meddle and mislead for profit. You can always break the news first if you're the one who invented it.

Keith Murdoch got together with the official war correspondent Bean because they thought Monash "was a pushy jew" (his parents were Prussian Jews who converted to Church of England) and lied directly to the prime Minister of Australia. The PM went to the front to sack Monash because the journalists told him the men hated Monash, a complete and utter lie and one that if successful would have removed our best general. You could call it treason, it was definitely anti semitism.

Billy Hughes found out the officers and men had complete confidence in Monash. So did our French allies. It was just two jew hating journalists with a taste for power that didn't like him. To be fair there was more antisemitism around then, the conservative catholic French didn't like his Jewish ancestry much either but they recognised talent. No one else went as far as bean and Murdoch in lying about Monash.

Murdoch also lied about Gallipoli to further his own career, although his biographers call them "inaccuracies and exaggerations". "Smart" I guess you could call it, it undermined support for the war effort at home.

Back in Australia Monash was behind ANZAC Day being promoted (he insisted we remember a defeat as a tonic to war fever). The Diggers decided to build the Shrine, but Murdoch decided it had to be an "Anzac Hospital" because he knew better.

Murdoch the son has continued the tradition of political meddling. I don't think Rupert is anti-semitic. I don't think he's particularly conservative but he does meddle in politics way too much and he's not an Australian, he's a US citizen.

 

[Drought Break]

I was wondering when the "he's been in their communities" nonsense would come out on Uncle Tony. He's a *-wit

Oh well. Do you prefer the not spending any time in the community approach like all our other PM”s? Wouldn’t getting first hand knowledge be a good thing?

 

[Kirby]

Algorithms.

I reckon you nailed it.

 

[gouki88]

Oh well. Do you prefer the not spending any time in the community approach like all our other PM”s? Wouldn’t getting first hand knowledge be a good thing?

How about listening to them, rather than tokenistic gestures?

 

[manicpie]

I'm worried a foreign scum called Murdoch topples PMs at will and owns half our media. He's against the referendum, and all his little mouths fall in line.

His dad ran a lying smear campaign against our best General in WWI l. Murdochs papers hacked a murdered girls phone to steal the messages.

He backed that Trump blokes halfarsed coup attempt when they tried to hang the vice President of our biggest ally.

Murdoch Royal Commission pls. And all the Murdoch mouths stfu.

that's a bit of a one eyed view there Cyclops

 

[gouki88]

that's a bit of a one eyed view there Cyclops

No, it is a reasonable response to the corrupting filth of that family.

 

[doofdoof]

How about listening to them, rather than tokenistic gestures?

Like Albo listening to numerous indigenous leaders imploring him not to the the Stronger Futures legislation lapse?

The people I've spoken to in the communities over the years don't distinguish between Labor and Liberal.

They see both as "blow flies" - those who fly in for a quick press conference, dump some money on the issue and fly back out to the cities, never to return or be held accountable to actually making anything better

Unfortunately, Albo has refused to be consultive by including a broad range of views in the process, refused to listen to feedback proposing changes that could lead to bi-partisan support, refused to engage is rigorous debate, refused to do the work to provide detail on the function or workings of the Voice and IMO sought to score political points early in the process when he thought he'd get 70% of the vote.

The problem now is that, for many, this process reeks of tokenism.

 

[Cyclops]

Like Albo listening to numerous indigenous leaders imploring him not to the the Stronger Futures legislation lapse?

The people I've spoken to in the communities over the years don't distinguish between Labor and Liberal.

They see both as "blow flies" - those who fly in for a quick press conference, dump some money on the issue and fly back out to the cities, never to return or be held accountable to actually making anything better

This city-centric, activist Voice won't change that.

Yes politicians stink. Some indigenous leaders say vote no but most say vote yes.

Liberals said African gangs were terrorizing Melbourne: utter garbage. They sold our government to consultants. The most corrupt dogs since Whitlam.

Liberals say vote no. Think I'll vote yes. We had 10 years of those lying scum, enough is enough.

 

[gouki88]

Like Albo listening to numerous indigenous leaders imploring him not to the the Stronger Futures legislation lapse?

The people I've spoken to in the communities over the years don't distinguish between Labor and Liberal.

They see both as "blow flies" - those who fly in for a quick press conference, dump some money on the issue and fly back out to the cities, never to return or be held accountable to actually making anything better

This city-centric, activist Voice won't change that.

You know you can recognise that multiple bad things occur simultaneously, right? Or that people can have several thoughts at once? It's not this weird either/or divide that you've invented.

Calling the Voice 'city-centric' shows your colours. Parroting twits like Price only embarrasses you

 

[manicpie]

No, it is a reasonable response to the corrupting filth of that family.

I was only joking mate. you know, cyclops and one eye. I agree about the filthy murdochs

 

[gouki88]

I was only joking mate. you know, cyclops and one eye. I agree about the filthy murdochs

I am stupid

 

[manicpie]

I am stupid

No, just passionate

 

[Maggie5]

Didn't progress it though.

It was a thought bubble and now he is against it.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Albo did a few hours in a luncheon in Alice Springs then rushed off to the tennis for 3 days. If he had any balls he would have walked the streets with a police patrol…

That’s going to make it very hard for Rafa to serve them…

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I reckon you nailed it.

He may have done; hard to be sure. Let me crunch that with my computer model and get back to you.

 

[doofdoof]

You know you can recognise that multiple bad things occur simultaneously, right? Or that people can have several thoughts at once? It's not this weird either/or divide that you've invented.

I haven't invented anything. There's plenty of evidence in the public domain (much from Yes voters) to support everything I said.

Calling the Voice 'city-centric' shows your colours. Parroting twits like Price only embarrasses you

"Yes" support is predominantly city-centric. What on earth does stating a simple fact tell you about me? That I can read?

Always proof of a strong argument when someone resorts to name calling.

 

[gouki88]

I haven't invented anything. There's plenty of evidence in the public domain (much from Yes voters) to support everything I said.



"Yes" support is predominantly city-centric. What on earth does stating a simple fact tell you about me? That I can read?

Always proof of a strong argument when someone resorts to name calling.

You've clearly gotten confused. The divide I was referring to is that people can be both critical of a) Tony Abbott being a moron, and b) current policies. You're treating it as something where a side has to be chosen.

Yes support =/= the Voice, which comes from Uluru. Between 60-80% of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people (depending on which source you look at) support it - are they city centric? What about the fact that every single NT land council supports it? Are they city centric?

Calling Price a twit is me being my absolute kindest. What comes out of her mouth is embarrassing (colonisation as beneficial). As are her claims to represent Aboriginal people of the NT, despite barely any of them voting for her.

 

[doofdoof]

You've clearly gotten confused. The divide I was referring to is that people can be both critical of a) Tony Abbott being a moron, and b) current policies. You're treating it as something where a side has to be chosen.

Yes support =/= the Voice, which comes from Uluru. Between 60-80% of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people (depending on which source you look at) support it - are they city centric? What about the fact that every single NT land council supports it? Are they city centric?

Calling Price a twit is me being my absolute kindest. What comes out of her mouth is embarrassing (colonisation as beneficial). As are her claims to represent Aboriginal people of the NT, despite barely any of them voting for her.

Compelling arguments. I'm convinced. I'll choose the "Yes" side now.

 

[jmac70]

Compelling arguments. I'm convinced. I'll choose the "Yes" side now.

With all respect, no one should care who you or I, or anyone else votes for.
You’ve made your mind up, as have I.
Why even discuss it?

 

[gouki88]

Compelling arguments. I'm convinced. I'll choose the "Yes" side now.

I’m not here to convince you one way or the other. There’s near infinite information out there that you’ve had months to read - up to you to make the informed, correct choice

 

[No SPIN]

90%+ would vote for recognition, including me.

That's not what is being proposed though.

Sadly, Albo also made it political (intentionally in my view, thinking he could score political points with an easy win) by refusing to engage or consult with anyone outside of his hand selected group of idealogues.

It is a real shame. A lot of Yes voters I speak to agree regarding the process.

The process ie detail is never included in a referendum because it then becomes immutable, and changes only possible with another referendum.
Eg Constitution says we need a Defence Force it does not describe the number of Troops, Planes or Ships, clearly because those needs change over time.
People using the process/detail excuse, are either disingenuous or uninformed.

 

[doofdoof]

The process ie detail is never included in a referendum because it then becomes immutable, and changes only possible with another referendum.
Eg Constitution says we need a Defence Force it does not describe the number of Troops, Planes or Ships, clearly because those needs change over time.
People using the process/detail excuse, are either disingenuous or uninformed.

Patently false.

The impact of any constitutional changes is typically openly debated and well understood and agreed upon prior to the referendum being put to the population. Numerous constitutional lawyers will attest to that.

Historically, a rigorous process has been required to ensure bipartisan support, which has been crucial to the success of previous referendums.

That process was not followed by the PM in this circumstance.

To suggest otherwise would ......

 

[gouki88]

Patently false.

The impact of any constitutional changes is typically openly debated and well understood and agreed upon prior to the referendum being put to the population. Numerous constitutional lawyers will attest to that.

Historically, a rigorous process has been required to ensure bipartisan support, which has been crucial to the success of previous referendums.

That process was not followed by the PM in this circumstance.

To suggest otherwise would ......

What do constitutional lawyers say about the Voice?

 

[No SPIN]

Patently false.

The impact of any constitutional changes is typically openly debated and well understood and agreed upon prior to the referendum being put to the population. Numerous constitutional lawyers will attest to that.

Historically, a rigorous process has been required to ensure bipartisan support, which has been crucial to the success of previous referendums.

That process was not followed by the PM in this circumstance.

To suggest otherwise would ......

I wish you had read my post and understood it.

Please explain what I have said that is patently false.

Your response is about formulating the question.
Mine is about the disingenuous narrative about “ no detail”, that Dutton has used to derail the vote, and dupe people into believing it’s a legitimate issue.