Analysis Derek Hine leaves the Pies

[Mark W]

Trading up and missing is a clear fail.

The biggest error that draft was Cripps.

So Hine was meant to have a crystal ball and forsee that Freeman, and Scharenberg would cop severe injuries…

 

[sideswipe]

I'd argue that malthouse and fly had more to do with the success than Hine. The amount of flops he's picked far out weighs his impact on our lists. We didn't get rid of him because he's a great recruitment boss

The counter to that is we didn’t hold him for 21 years because he’s a bad recruiter.


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[manicpie]

Imagine if hine ends up at Carlton. The outrage for some would be too much but to me it's a good thing because they will end up with a whole lot of flankers to go with their bulging list of w***ers

 

[manicpie]

The counter to that is we didn’t hold him for 21 years because he’s a bad recruiter.


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Most clubs hold on to their recruiters for a long time but it's more often than not that the coach has the most effect on success.

 

[Mark W]

Bartel, Enright, Taylor etc. His list goes on and on while ours stops after Jordan De Goey.

I’m happy for people to criticise Hiney.. but FFS at least try and be accurate…in the very same draft he picked up an elite All Australian defender (Maynard) at pick 30 - brilliant recruiting! So it’s palpably untrue to state “ours stops after De Goey..” isn’t it? Why lie? I don’t get it..

 

[jathanas]

I still maintain the Malthouse and Fly were the driving force behind our 2 flags

The coaches you've mentioned were key drivers, but they couldn't have done it without the right cattle.

 

[manicpie]

The coaches you've mentioned were key drivers, but they couldn't have done it without the right cattle.

the comp is full of sides that have won the flag without the right cattle. We did it in 23. It's the systems, structures and correct role coverage that does the real damage

 

[jathanas]

the comp is full of sides that have won the flag without the right cattle. We did it in 23. It's the systems, structures and correct role coverage that does the real damage

I could be wrong, but the coaches' salaries would reflect that when compared to what Hines would have been on.

Still, it's important to acknowledge Hines' contribution in this thread.

 

[sr36]

What's the worst that could happen? We select a pyromaniac in the draft that burns down our headquarters?

The worst that can happen is that Hine moves elsewhere and takes much of our recruiting network with him, leaving us with an inadequate network. And that his replacement doesn't have as strong connections with player managers making it harder for us to recruit from other clubs.

There's a reason why recruiting managers have greater longevity in the AFL than the other senior roles. Their built up network of connections is hard to replace

 

[sr36]

the comp is full of sides that have won the flag without the right cattle. We did it in 23. It's the systems, structures and correct role coverage that does the real damage

They've had the right cattle, we've just rated that cattle wrongly.

 

[doofdoof]

So Hine was meant to have a crystal ball and forsee that Freeman, and Scharenberg would cop severe injuries…

Scharenberg was the right pick at the time. Prioritising speed with the mature bodied Freeman wasn't. I wanted the pudgy ball magnet, Cripps at 10.

Now, where did I put that bloody crystal ball ......

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Hine was very, very good at indentifying intelligent, hard working players for us, but was fairly inflexible when it came to getting us the types we needed to fill gaps, and his record on picking talls is atrocious.

We've relied on trading for a lot of the pace and skill deficits we've faced in addition to size, but also, I think Hine also got lucky that Darcy Moore and the Daicos boys are exactly the types of players he's not amazing at selecting.

He definitely deserves a lot of credit for his work over the years, but I think the cracks are starting to show lately, so I don't think 2 full decades is unreasonable to get him to hand over the reins to someone who's been doing an apprenticeship under him.

 

[TradeDraft]

No bad feelings intended , but what saved Hines arse with his recruiting especially recently were our father and sons.
He stuffed that year we had 2 top 10 picks and both were huge misses
Although injury played a big role with Freeman and Sharenberg.
Let's not forget Stephenson top 5 pick I think.
Seemed to have done well with his later pick
All the best for him in his future endeavours

Stephenson being a Bust was not Hine's Fault. He Picked him and had Amazing Season and a Half then he F**ked it all up

I would not count Freeman and Scharanberg as they where mostly Injured

He barley had Top 20 Picks since 2014 so had not much Practise

 

[rand corp]

Had a phenomenal run, at his peak the very best in the business

 

[Mooresome]

Stephenson being a Bust was not Hine's Fault. He Picked him and had Amazing Season and a Half then he F**ked it all up

I would not count Freeman and Scharanberg as they where mostly Injured

He barley had Top 20 Picks since 2014 so had not much Practise

Not sure about that ,every other club let him slide ,and instead of going for the player we needed Naughton, well the rest is history

 

[TradeDraft]

And the recruiting boss in my view is probably the most important role in a footy club. It is one of the key competitive advantages a club can have that can drive separation from the other clubs.

I really hope we have a super strong candidate to replace him with.

Well they Don't Develop Players after they are Drafted

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Hine was very, very good at indentifying intelligent, hard working players for us, but was fairly inflexible when it came to getting us the types we needed to fill gaps, and his record on picking talls is atrocious.

We've relied on trading for a lot of the pace and skill deficits we've faced in addition to size, but also, I think Hine also got lucky that Darcy Moore and the Daicos boys are exactly the types of players he's not amazing at selecting.

He definitely deserves a lot of credit for his work over the years, but I think the cracks are starting to show lately, so I don't think 2 full decades is unreasonable to get him to hand over the reins to someone who's been doing an apprenticeship under him.

Who's the apprentice?

 

[ThePheonix]

Scharenberg was the right pick at the time. Prioritising speed with the mature bodied Freeman wasn't. I wanted the pudgy ball magnet, Cripps at 10.

Now, where did I put that bloody crystal ball ......

Agree, with Scharemberg there is an argument to made of; but Freeman not making it due to injury is just a poor excuse.

 

[TradeDraft]

Agree, with Scharemberg there is an argument to made of; but Freeman not making it due to injury is just a poor excuse.

Freeman had a Terrible Hammy in 1st game we played and that took speed away which was his Major Trait

 

[sr36]

Hine was very, very good at indentifying intelligent, hard working players for us, but was fairly inflexible when it came to getting us the types we needed to fill gaps, and his record on picking talls is atrocious.

Most decisions would have impact from multiple departments. But in terms of demarcation of roles, recruitment ranks prospects (mature and young). List management should be pulling the trigger based on those rankings to ensure we have a balanced list with the strengths the coaches want for their game vision and minimal holes.

Recruiting too many of one type or not enough of another type is really a list management issue, rather than a recruitment department issue. Much of the criticism of Hine is really list management - which was an area he wasn't good at

I suspect a shift to list management wanting to go best fit for our list rather than best available, is part of the reported friction between Leppa and Hine.

 

[TradeDraft]

Most decisions would have impact from multiple departments. But in terms of demarcation of roles, recruitment ranks prospects (mature and young). List management should be pulling the trigger based on those rankings to ensure we have a balanced list with the strengths the coaches want for their game vision and minimal holes.

Recruiting too many of one type or not enough of another type is really a list management issue, rather than a recruitment department issue. Much of the criticism of Hine is really list management - which was an area he wasn't good at

I suspect a shift to list management wanting to go best fit for our list rather than best available, is part of the reported friction between Leppa and Hine.

So Hine quit because we Finally Drafted for Needs and not who's next on the Board?

 

[YouBeauty]

Good riddance

 

[Fat Jesus]

Good riddance

What? Why? Stop being ridiculous.

 

[sr36]

So Hine quit because we Finally Drafted for Needs and not who's next on the Board?

Don't know. But it's a philosophical difference as well as a loss of powers for recruiting. Wouldn't be surprised if it played a part in disagreements.

Personally, I think a best available philosophy is more philosophically sound, particularly when you've ramped up your focus on mature recruits, so I don't think it's a great shift.

 

[TradeDraft]

Don't know. But it's a philosophical difference. Wouldn't be surprised if it played a part in disagreements.

Personally, I think a best available philosophy is more philosophically sound, particularly when you've ramped up your focus on mature recruits, so I don't think it's a great shift.

I can understands Hine wanting to get best Talent Possibly.

Though that means he goes for Medium/Small Players as easy to Predict there Potential then going Tall where can be some Big Misses as harder to Predict