Autopsy Destiny awaits another season - Magpies lose by 4

[Scritchyscroony]

Darcy Moore was the highlight for us this finals series. I was uncertain about how he would go in the cauldron of finals. He stood up beautifully and played two cracking games.

 

[jmac70]

So, we move on 2020....can't wait

I’ll be back then. Time for a break.

 

[Fruit]

Where does our improvement come from?
Pendles is 32 in January. We traded away two first round draft picks for Beams.
Langdon and De Goey come in. Quaynor develops. Tyler Brown will be a player. Cox is better than Reid but only just.
The two grand finalists have key forwards that impacted the scoreboard on the weekend. Is this what we need? We never seem to be able to trade one in?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Where does our improvement come from?
Pendles is 32 in January. We traded away two first round draft picks for Beams.
Langdon and De Goey come in. Quaynor develops. Tyler Brown will be a player. Cox is better than Reid but only just.
The two grand finalists have key forwards that impacted the scoreboard on the weekend. Is this what we need? We never seem to be able to trade one in?

Clearly you think we will go backwards

I think you failed to recognise the great young talent we have on our list
You make the mistake many pessimists do, you don't know our list, you only know about the regular senior players and think it all ends after that

 

[cliffdrabble]

Clearly you think we will go backwards

I think you failed to recognise the great young talent we have on our list
You make the mistake many pessimists we do, you don't know our list, you only know about the regular senior players and think it all ends after that

What great young talent? For the types of players we need, the cupboard is filled with players who are hardly likely to make an impact at AFL level in the coming years. Unfortunately it is the so called optimists who continually pump up players who have very little in the way of actual performance.

Being an optimist is ridiculous if you continually fail to identify your weaknesses and more importantly, do something about them. Talking them up is a process that has been going on far too long at Collingwood, and it consistently leads to failure.

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

Clearly you think we will go backwards

I think you failed to recognise the great young talent we have on our list
You make the mistake many pessimists we do, you don't know our list, you only know about the regular senior players and think it all ends after that

I see your point,but "great young talent" isn't playing in the VFL all year. It's knocking the door down and getting a game. Like Stevo. We've got some good young players in the best 22, but without a key forward, or reliable hamstrings, we aren't good enough to compete.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

What great young talent? For the types of players we need, the cupboard is filled with players who are hardly likely to make an impact at AFL level in the coming years. Unfortunately it is the so called optimists who continually pump up players who have very little in the way of actual performance.

Being an optimist is ridiculous if you continually fail to identify your weaknesses and more importantly, do something about them. Talking them up is a process that has been going on far too long at Collingwood, and it consistently leads to failure.

Again like most, you only know our top 15 or 20 players....after that you get totally lost because you refuse to do any research

I charge $150 an hour, I'll do your reaesrch for you if you like and I'll' produce a detailed summary for you

 

[lvandinter]

i don't understand your first sentence about progressing through.
if ever a team was gifted an easy passage through to a Grand Final, this was it.
a game against an overrated Geelong, then a walk up prelim against a depleted GWS.
this loss is worse then the GF loss to West Coast last year

100% agree, this feels much worse than the gf loss. Not even going to bother watching the Grand final next week.

 

[Fruit]

Clearly you think we will go backwards

I think you failed to recognise the great young talent we have on our list
You make the mistake many pessimists we do, you don't know our list, you only know about the regular senior players and think it all ends after that

I didn’t say we’d go backwards. I asked where our improvement could come from. We haven’t made the Grand Final so clearly we need to be better. I mentioned DeGoey, Langdon, Quaynor, Tyler Brown. I suggested we may need a key forward. That’s all.

 

[takethepowerback]

Hopefully my intrusion isn’t too hated. Bad luck pies, that was brutal. I really thought you guys were gonna snag the win in the last. I was excited to see the spectacle of a Richmond vs Collingwood GF! and while if the tiges had lost to you guys it would have been close to unbearable, i’d rather a..real, traditional club with passionate long time supporters win it than the franchise.. F#^# gws

 

[MagpieJoel]

For some reason this doesn't hurt me as much as it probably should. I've even watched the last quarter again this morning.

I think I came to the conclusion in the 3rd quarter that we just weren't good enough this year and that settled me.

Then the comeback. Man, so close. But, so far.

We won so many games this year just playing one quarter of footy and premiership sides are more consistent than that.

Think the Tigers will romp it in next week.

 

[lvandinter]

Yeah I'm really struggling at the moment, feel so heartbroken again and numb... We probably would have lost week after and I have relatives that are horrible tuggers supporters so that would of been a living hell for me but I just want another premiership. Proud of them for coming back in the 4th but we were just rubbish for the first three quarters :/

I feel worse than last year tbh, just that feeling next week of we could’ve been there and when the cup is being handed over to the winning team, we could’ve held that. Got a family event today, questioning myself whether i should go, considering there’s going to be talk about the game which will hurt me even more. I’m a very disappointed bloke at the moment. Going to take a while to get over this.
2020 better be better.

 

[lvandinter]

Hopefully my intrusion isn’t too hated. Bad luck pies, that was brutal. I really thought you guys wanna snag the win in the last. I was excited to see the spectacle of a Richmond vs Collingoowd GF! and while if the tiges had lost to you guys it would have been close to unbearable, i’d rather a..real, traditional club with passionate long time supporters win it than the franchise.. F#^# gws

That’s why I’m barracking for you blokes next week. Go and eat em alive for the sake of humanity, even though I’m not watching the match next week. May change my mind.

 

[lvandinter]

Waking up this morning to the realisation we aren’t in the Grand Final feels worse than yesterday.

Agreed. Feeling very disappointed and shattered.

 

[Drought Break]

Please help me understand how continually bleating the obvious changes anything.

Why do you want to burden our poor historical performance on our current playing group? Because that’s exactly what you’re doing with the irrelevant references to our history.

probably because the current playing group has lost a grand final and now a prelim in space of 12 months to continue with our theme of under performing in the biggest games of the year.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

probably because the current playing group has lost a grand final and now a prelim in space of 12 months to continue with our theme of under performing in the biggest games of the year.

Getting close might hurt more but its much better than finishing ninth or tenth.

 

[No SPIN]

probably because the current playing group has lost a grand final and now a prelim in space of 12 months to continue with our theme of under performing in the biggest games of the year.

The current playing group has no responsibility for the past 50 years.
The continual rehashing of the past is a pointless exercise in self flagellation.

It’s a “woe is me” preoccupation here by many that is perplexing and ultimately futile.

The past is the past - they need to move.

 

[JimBob10]

Consider that the last two seasons we have went deep into finals, our record at our home ground is:

2018: 10-7
2019: 10-6

Of these 13 losses, 6 have been to interstate sides:

3 - west coast
2 - gws
1 - fremantle

For context, Richmond has lost three games at the G in that same period and all to fellow Victorian clubs.

Obviously there are a lot of reasons we’ve come up short over the last two years but our failure to get it done at the G has been a big factor.

Going forward we can’t let this keep happening (especially against interstate teams). We need to adopt a fortress approach.

Does anyone else think this is as big a issue as I do?

 

[No SPIN]

Might be irrelevant to the current players - not irrelevant to the club or to those supporters who have lived through it - don't think I've named or bagged current players specifically--more twds posters who are blind to our mediocre finals performance

It’s totally irrelevant - it offers nothing.
It offers no lessons, insight, direction or information that we can use in improving.
How are the four losses between 1977-1981, or any other GF in the last 50 years instructive for today.

Let’s move on from this fixation on failure - it’s completely wasted energy.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

The two areas that need correction are clearly the midfield stoppages and key forward.

You can often address problems without a big fish. I reckon Richmond won a flag because they missed the big fish but filled out their list with capable best 22 players playing roles in areas of deficiency - Caddy, Prestia.

Similarly Geelong finished on top this season when no one rated them because in part they did a similar thing with Rohan and Dahlhaus and got lucky with Kelly.

We have been bullied in stoppages in big moments since the 2011 Grand Final. That’s a long time for the same problem to keep repeating itself. Can we change our set up? Is Wills the answer or does he lack skill and pace when it counts? Is Sier gonna make it? Can we fast track Tyler Brown? Does De Goey do more midfield time? Is there a good quality bullish inside mid on the market this year?

As for the forward role, we need someone obviously that can mark the ball or offer a contest that draws defenders to free up the rest of what is likely the best overall forward line in the comp. doesn’t have to be a Lynch or Cameron but someone tall and durable that can play footy (not some project player from another code).

This type of targeted, strategic problem solving will be our ‘magic bullet’.

 

[LuckyLee]

Clearly you think we will go backwards

I think you failed to recognise the great young talent we have on our list
You make the mistake many pessimists we do, you don't know our list, you only know about the regular senior players and think it all ends after that

Given your claimed superior knowledge of our squad, how about you enlighten the rest of us by listing the hidden gems lurking in dark corners who will propel our AFL team forward in 2020 & 2021.

And while you’re at it, please list the six key forwards you claimed we had in another thread (without double counting our key backs). Thanks for educating us pessimists!


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[Timmy from Thomastown]

Consider that the last two seasons we have went deep into finals, our record at our home ground is:

2018: 10-7
2019: 10-6

Of these 13 losses, 6 have been to interstate sides:

3 - west coast
2 - gws
1 - fremantle

For context, Richmond has lost three games at the G in that same period and all to fellow Victorian clubs.

Obviously there are a lot of reasons we’ve come up short over the last two years but our failure to get it done at the G has been a big factor.

Going forward we can’t let this keep happening (especially against interstate teams). We need to adopt a fortress approach.

Does anyone else think this is as big a issue as I do?

The MCG is only a factor if you let it be one. Only Geelong have let it be one.

 

[TKiL]

It’s totally irrelevant - it offers nothing.
It offers no lessons, insight, direction or information that we can use in improving.
How are the four losses between 1977-1981, or any other GF in the last 50 years instructive for today.
Let’s move on from this fixation on failure - it’s completely wasted energy.

Maybe not for current players.......
I'd like to see the club - at the very top level - create a culture than wins more often than not in Sept
Those who are fixated on player skills, trades, list mngt etc etc are missing stuff that top line organisations do not miss - we ARE NOT a top line finals performer - I believe there are issues the club needs to address - we get agonisingly close often but we don't nail the big one often enough

 

[Robroy22]

It’s totally irrelevant - it offers nothing.
It offers no lessons, insight, direction or information that we can use in improving.
How are the four losses between 1977-1981, or any other GF in the last 50 years instructive for today.

Let’s move on from this fixation on failure - it’s completely wasted energy.

Yeah but its exactly what the other 17 clubs, the AFL and the media WANT US ALL TO DO....lets upset their little red wagons...vote POSITIVE and show some spirit for goodness sakes! Good onya No Spin for attacking this crap.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

You see this is the kind of twisted thinking that takes hold when there is nobody around to enforce discipline. Thoroughbreds better than Clydes...next you will be advocating for ponies. Your hoofing is in the post Scodog10 but seems a bit delayed along with our midfield competence. Expect it to arrive sometime in the great existental fourth quarter of life.

I blame ponies. I suppose nobody has been keeping watch have they. You lot are amateurs. I hope the ponies find you tasty.

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