Opinion Did Hawthorn just expose a mental fragility?

[Toump Ass]

hok skbididiy hyuk cuck
skibbiy dibby do dah

 

[Vindicater]

Can we stop pretending like “see u in 14 days” comment to a Swans player, not even referencing Ken or Port is somehow equal to a coach deciding to tee-off on an opposition player after the game?

Hawks players celebrating goals or getting around each other after wins seems to have really upset a few.

But there’s a reason the AFL has given Ken a please explain.

Ken's an idiot.

Sicily and Ginnivan are idiots.

Mitchell is not an idiot but is a hypocrite.

Neutrals have enjoyed the theatre of it all.

 

[Demons09]

I agree players talking is fine they gotta go out and back it up (or try to) ginni wasn't amazing but had an OK game...

Coach that doesn't have to back it up, talking shite after the fact at a time they're meant to be honouring another player career... see previous post

What has honouring Breust got to do with Hinkley and the Port football club.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Was the margin 3 points or 12 goals.

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Port are not a good team.

Port kicked poorly early on.

Port were missing key players.

Port lost players during the game.

Hawthorn received a few goals from undeserved umpiring decisions.

Port outplayed Hawthorn.


The margin in the end flattered Hawthorn.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Missing Day and Mackenzie made that look even worse. Day has the ability to escape more often than not, Mackenzie has that bit of class ball in hand

For sure it did, no doubt.

Day is a good player.

 

[SSSSSS]

Yes, they did.

But I think everyone knew it was there, and their antics have reeked of immaturity - so I'm not sure it was exposed as much as it was just verified.


What was more concerning for Hawthorn was that their game style was found out.

Swarm the ball carrier.

It crippled them. Made their good players that have had good seasons look like duds.

There were discussions on here relatively recently about how Hawthorn would look once the opposition put work into them. Well we saw that last night. They didn't have the answers.

Port took away their ball movement, which killed them.

That's the part that was exposed. And that's the part that will be interesting to see how and if Hawthorn can overcome it.

We played the worst footy we've played since the Geelong loss and we ended up losing by three points against a side with their backs to the wall, their own state media demanding heads to roll and legacies on the line at a hostile environment. We could have stolen the game had the ball swung a few inches and not knicked the goal post.

Our gameplan definitely stood up in the finals. We've also shown we can match it with the best when we aren't firing on all cylinders.

We aren't the finished article yet. There will be plenty more improvement to come. Hopefully we make the next step in 2025 but development isn't always linear.

We won three quarters of footy to Ports one. We had key personnel missing as did Port. Was a good finals outing which is worth a dozen games of experience for our players. Loved being back in the finals.

 

[Philhawk]

People need to learn the difference between showmanship and taunting.

 

[marcus1232]

So my question is where did Jack take a shot at Port Adelaide at all.

Is he not allowed to be confident.

What Ken did showed 0 class and mental fragility.
This is the same coach who can only get his players inspired once they get slaughtered the week before.

If he can't handle arrogant players cannot wait to see how he reacts if Sydney get a hold of them and what Papley and Warner do

 

[Dark Eagle 9]

Hawks go waaay over the top with their celebrations. Their forwards have thrown their heads back all year like Hollywood actors. Great up and coming team but your club were a right bunch of sooks last night.

It's not up to Port Adelaide to celebrate Luke Bruest. It was a cut throat final. You guys have stung them twice in the past and were fortunate as heck back in 2014. Sooky Vic's always used to having their own way. Dish it out but can't take it (shizzle talkin, even if it's on socials)

Please baby Jesus let any of the teams bar Geelong win the premiership this year.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ken's an idiot.

Sicily and Ginnivan are idiots.

Mitchell is not an idiot but is a hypocrite.

Neutrals have enjoyed the theatre of it all.

How is Sicily an idiot or Mitchell a hypocrite?

 

[Philhawk]

How is Sicily an idiot or Mitchell a hypocrite?

Because people like to throw round words without understanding what they mean.

 

[RCAB]

Hawks go waaay over the top with their celebrations. Their forwards have thrown their heads back all year like Hollywood actors. Great up and coming team but your club were a right bunch of sooks last night.

It's not up to Port Adelaide to celebrate Luke Bruest. It was a cut throat final. You guys have stung them twice in the past and were fortunate as heck back in 2014. Sooky Vic's always used to having their own way. Dish it out but can't take it (shizzle talkin, even if it's on socials)

Please baby Jesus let any of the teams bar Geelong win the premiership this year.

You're right it's not their job to celebrate Luke Breust, it's Hawks job to beat Port by 10 goals every game from now on.

 

[skipper kelly]

Get rid of the guard of honor for both teams. Carry your own player off then **** off.

 

[HairyO]

You're asking this about Hawthorn and not Hinkley? Old doughnuts seemingly flagged himself as needing a tweet to win a knock out final

Exactly. Finish 2nd and look the goods, fall apart week 1 then revive yourself based on a Twitter post by a kid?

Swans must be salivating at the thought of destroying Port. How ****ing fragile.

 

[2notepockets]

What has honouring Breust got to do with Hinkley and the Port football club.

In my opinon nothing, but they were giving him a guard of honour I assume of their own volition... generally an act of sportsmanship and respect, but not in this case.

Hinkley saw it as an opportunity to sledge. I agree they should've left it to hawks and gone off to celebrate and sing the song instead of sullying the moment...

 

[Tedeski]

Teams will hunt & come after Hawthorn in 2025 with the way they acted.

The way the team acted, celebrated every win like they had won the Grand Final would have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

They also talked a big game. but get salty when they lose.

Derm said Hawthorn are only interested in winning premierships.

 

[MadMundy]

Leave it to BigFooty members to put on their psychologist hats and over analyse things that aren't there, it was a little pat, who cares?

 

[Vindicater]

How is Sicily an idiot or Mitchell a hypocrite?

Sicily's history shows he is an idiot. Nearly dropping Bruest because he is too busy responding to another idiot was so on point for Sicily.

A good captain would have told Hinkley to shut it once and then gathered his troops to tell them to ignore Hinkley. Sicily made it about himself.

 

[The Dougster]

Reckon Ginnivan probably laughs it off.

The Dick who started it all

 

[Tedeski]

Can we stop pretending like “see u in 14 days” comment to a Swans player, not even referencing Ken or Port is somehow equal to a coach deciding to tee-off on an opposition player after the game?

Hawks players celebrating goals or getting around each other after wins seems to have really upset a few.

But there’s a reason the AFL has given Ken a please explain.

Nothing to see here. They won't do anything more than that.
It's just to appease a few people that's all.

 

[Robroy22]

My boys did the same in 2022....Craig McCrae took them from 17th to a Preliminary Final loss to Sydney (in Sydney) by a point. It was there that Jack Ginnivan (see he's not just a "young player" from Hawthorn) lay on the ground in disbelief that they'd missed the chance of a GF.

This doesn't expose a mental fragility with Hawthorn's new team. They'll burn inside like we did and with several new "recruits" coming in to bolster their defence, they'll be even more strident in their attempt at another premiership. Port on the other hand have been flakey for years now, they're not a young team on the up, and what Ken's done now will give lots of other teams (not just the Hawks) the impression that they (the entire club) can be got in....even by a social media post.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hawks go waaay over the top with their celebrations. Their forwards have thrown their heads back all year like Hollywood actors. Great up and coming team but your club were a right bunch of sooks last night.

It's not up to Port Adelaide to celebrate Luke Bruest. It was a cut throat final. You guys have stung them twice in the past and were fortunate as heck back in 2014. Sooky Vic's always used to having their own way. Dish it out but can't take it (shizzle talkin, even if it's on socials)

Please baby Jesus let any of the teams bar Geelong win the premiership this year.

So we shouldn’t expect sportmanship from Port once the siren is sounded in the sporting field, but we should definitely go hard at Ginnivan for writing a throw away comment on Instagram.

You’re having a laugh.

 

[The Dougster]

Neutrals have enjoyed the theatre of it all.

Not me personally. It was cringeworthy viewing after the game. Ken made a fool of himself and Ginnivan is a fwit.

Great game though.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

What does this question even mean when you consider the timing of the incident?

All of this took place after the final siren when our season was confirmed to be at an end. Even if you believe there were signs of 'mental fragility', how can any of that be used in the context of in-season competition? There's no next week to use as basis for the impact it could have.

The biggest takeaway from all of this is that a 57 year old man, who is meant to be a leader of young men, acted with far more immaturity than the 21 year old player who clearly lived rent free in his mind all week.

On top of this, he proved to be an ungracious winner, while taking the moment away from his own team to address his own personal insecurity.

But the WORST part was that due to his selfishness, a moment that is usually shared and celebrated between two sides (the chairing off of a 300 game player), was reduced to an awkward afterthought.

James Sicily, by comparison, tried his best to compose himself to shift the focus to Luke Breust.
An emotional Sam Mitchell followed up in the press conference with humility, ensuring the situation was addressed with honesty but never veering into circus territory. Ken could learn a thing or two.

I'm proud of the way my club handelled the situation.
I'm also beyond proud that they were the width of a goalpost away from a preliminary final appearance after starting the season 0-5.

Bring on 2025.

I thought Sicily clearly made Breust’s special moment about the Hinkley incident- even to the point where he nearly dropped poor Breust on his head!

 

[Daka]

Ginnivan stuff is harmless, as was Hinkley.

Providing there's nothing homophobic, racist or overtly violent conduct, the occasional banter is fine.

Even if there's a please explain, the AFL and networks are going to flog it in the lead up to when Hawthorn and Port presumably face each other in the early rounds next year.

I don't agree with the AFL fining Hinkley if that's what they do. nothing was even said aggressively like Mitchell claimed in the presser Ken was laughing.