Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Awakening]

It would be interesting to hear from someone local who is familiar with foxes there.

July to October is breeding season so they would have likely been more active during the time he went missing, and possibly with more mouths to feed.

Would depend how many family groups/dens in that area as to how quick his remains could have been removed.

Could happen in 1 to 3 days before the searchers got to that area.

 

[jason_recliner]

GJ is an utter idiot imo. Planting a listening device and determining guit or innocence entirely on the back of what's said is useless..All it does is prove what they said when you listened not what they did. Either that or it proves the person was wise to him. 500% GJ....Cinderella. Look it up.. black eyes. Falling off a chair, hitting his head and couldn't hear....or my favourite....bouncing out of his skull..Shake my head..

Perhaps, as he's an experienced homicide detective, bugging them wasn't the entire extent of his investigation into them.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

What time was Peter on BCR? Seems a very simple basic question. Surely he passed the Tennis Club CCTV?
Surely between himself and Michelle they would have some idea of time? Was his phone on and pinging? Did he call anyone? Purchase anything? SFR have had years to check this out. What was the time????

Yes he did, I have provided the times back in this thread.

 

[passball]

Perhaps Jubelin isn't privy to any evidence against the foster parents that SFR has collected.

Mmmmm, The Tapes?????
Didn't make him feel slightly uneasy?
Was Jubelin wearing a matching orange pocket square?

 

[Lady O]

With the talk of foxes.

I'm just going to put it out there, DINGOES.

I've just gone back 44 years.

There are most likely dingoes around there. We bought land in similar terrain around 200km away and locals warned us about the dingoes.

 

[31550]

It would be interesting to hear from someone local who is familiar with foxes there.

July to October is breeding season so they would have likely been more active during the time he went missing, and possibly with more mouths to feed.

Would depend how many family groups/dens in that area as to how quick his remains could have been removed.

Could happen in 1 to 3 days before the searchers got to that area.

Doubtful. Foxes tend to live solitary lives and usually have about a 1km radius to themselves. They do get together to mate, and a pair may stay together for a while. There will only be one male. Other female offspring might hang around mum and dad for a little while but they don't form packs or units.

 

[31550]

Mmmmm, The Tapes?????
Didn't make him feel slightly uneasy?
Was Jubelin wearing a matching orange pocket square?

Maybe Jubes has a private video collection

 

[passball]

There are most likely dingoes around there. We bought land in similar terrain around 200km away and locals warned us about the dingoes.

They are around Port Macquarie.
Was a study and Port Macquarie was in the 3 hotspots for dingoes.

 

[Lady O]

They are around Port Macquarie.
Was a study and Port Macquarie was in the 3 hotspots for dingoes.

I just remembered also, on a trip, just out of Grafton during the daytime, two dingoes crossed the road in front of us.

 

[jason_recliner]

Mmmmm, The Tapes?????
Didn't make him feel slightly uneasy?
Was Jubelin wearing a matching orange pocket square?

The tapes that led a judge to conclude there's no pattern of that behaviour? Most of us have been less than perfect parents at times - not you by the sounds of it - and his foster parents had a more stressful parenting experience than most. I've never struck a child but I've been less than perfect in other ways, they did the wrong thing but that says nothing about them hiding the death of their child. For 10 years. While lobbying for a million dollar reward.

Gary must be truly besotted with an old married woman to throw away his career! And her husband!

 

[js47]

Ok, pairs then. But you can have multiple pairs from different dens in the area. Dens are often full of bones.

LIVED THERE It would be hard for the family if they follow this not foxes so much .

 

[31550]

Yes he did, I have provided the times back in this thread.

You have posted in this thread 128 times.
I don't recall you ever posting the times that Peter passed the tennis club CCTV.
I skimmed over your posts again and couldn't find it.
I am sorry I am so stupid and for wasting your time but would you mind please linking the post with these times for me and anyone else who might have missed them among your 128 posts.

 

[js47]

I just remembered also, on a trip, just out of Grafton during the daytime, two dingoes crossed the road in front of us.

I lived in the bush near Diamond Head there was a lot of dogs. Please remember the family discussing this.

 

[Awakening]

Doubtful. Foxes tend to live solitary lives and usually have about a 1km radius to themselves. They do get together to mate, and a pair may stay together for a while. There will only be one male. Other female offspring might hang around mum and dad for a little while but they don't form packs or units.

No that’s not what I mean. You can have multiple families (male, female, babies) within an area due to urban sprawl and during breeding season. It’s certainly the case in my local area.

 

[Awakening]

LIVED THERE It would be hard for the family if they follow this not foxes so much .

I’ve tried to tone it down as much as I can without going into details about what can happen when there are multiple foxes in an area.

But people keeping making stupid posts.

 

[passball]

The tapes that led a judge to conclude there's no pattern of that behaviour? Most of us have been less than perfect parents at times - not you by the sounds of it - and his foster parents had a more stressful parenting experience than most. I've never struck a child but I've been less than perfect in other ways, they did the wrong thing but that says nothing about them hiding the death of their child. For 10 years. While lobbying for a million dollar reward.

Gary must be truly besotted with an old married woman to throw away his career! And her husband!

I would say there is a behaviour of a pattern

I feel I have hit a personal nerve here.
I never said he was besotted, and not in a sexual way either.
I meant he is taken in with her narrative, she's a great storyteller from watching videos of her.

How old is Jubelin, suggesting he's a Leonardo DiCaprio??
How old is too old?

 

[Underarrest_]

Who did the editing

Noooo! Need evidence. Gary Jubelin’s ex said he even answered his work phone when having sex.
Don’t believe he would cover a crime, especially of a 3 year old boy.

 

[Kurve]

Doubtful. Foxes tend to live solitary lives and usually have about a 1km radius to themselves. They do get together to mate, and a pair may stay together for a while. There will only be one male. Other female offspring might hang around mum and dad for a little while but they don't form packs or units.

 

[Wallace52]

Deputy coroner has an aversion to asking questions of witnesses. Would rather make everyone sit for hours watching videos of other people asking questions and then telling everyone what there is no evidence of.

I don’t blame her! With some of the worst witnesses ever, who’s to say they will bring the learned Deputy Coroner any closer to the truth?

Perhaps Jubelin isn't privy to any evidence against the foster parents that SFR has collected.

I’d say he wouldn’t stopped receiving case updates a while ago. IMHO

 

[Lady O]

Looks like UK. They will even go into a house there and take a baby!! Not here, though.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

Ok a few things that might help , taken from inquest testimony that I was in court for.

Vehicle Crabbs heard

The Crabb's both heard a vehicle, do a u turn- both thought sounded like the postie & they were collecting the Miller's mail as they were away ( no mention of gravel )

They arrived home about 09:30-09:35 ( confirmed by police , they had used a loyalty card that morning just before going home)

Mr Crabb said he thought he heard it approx 10 mins after getting home
Mrs Crabb said she thought she heard it about 40mins after getting home. She gave evidence that they were sitting on their back deck " "Sitting out back & heard a car, thought postman. Car came up reasonably fast, as postie does, did u turn & continued on it's way"

Detective Laura Beacroft did alot of work with the Crabb's to determine the time & if it was possible to hear what they said the heard.

Per her evidence, the Crabb's provided information about how sound travels from vehicles when they were on their back verandah, 150 - 200mtrs away from Benaroon Drive.

She did a re-enactment & determined that it was likely that they did hear a car & that the best way they could describe the vehicle was that it sounded like the vehicle driven by the local postie at the time.

Truck Driver Peter

On Wed 6/11/24 when the truck driver Peter gave is evidence, it was mentioned 3 times about the CCTV times from the Kendall Tennis club CCTV & it was stated it was 14mins slow & the times were being read from statements.

Those times were

Arrived in Kendall near Op-Shop @ 09:27 ( real time ) ( CCTV time 09:13 & it was said in court that the CCTV was 14mins slow )

Drives of from Kendall heading to Batar Creek Rd / Cob & Co Rd @ 10:00 ( real time ) ( CCTV time 09:47 ) edited as had times wrong way around

Leaving Kendall @ 10:53 ( real time ) ( CCTV time 10:39 ) - Time edit by me as had both times @ 10:53

Hope that helps?

You have posted in this thread 128 times.
I don't recall you ever posting the times that Peter passed the tennis club CCTV.
I skimmed over your posts again and couldn't find it.
I am sorry I am so stupid and for wasting your time but would you mind please linking the post with these times for me and anyone else who might have missed them among your 128 posts.

Sure, here you go. You "liked" the post at the time.

 

[Wallace52]

I would say there is a behaviour of a pattern

I feel I have hit a personal nerve here.
I never said he was besotted, and not in a sexual way either.
I meant he is taken in with her narrative, she's a great storyteller from watching videos of her.

How old is Jubelin, suggesting he's a Leonardo DiCaprio??
How old is too old?

I want to say he’s maybe 60?

 

[Wallace52]

Looks like UK. They will even go into a house there and take a baby!! Not here, though.

Kendall foxes behave differently to UK foxes. The Kendall foxes are very respectful.

 

[js47]

Lady O you seem to know the area I think there might be a track from Benaroon Drive to the Camden Haven river. Do you know if this was walkable and how far?

 

[passball]

I want to say he’s maybe 60?

So roughly same age.
I have no idea what sort of women/men he might go for and I don't care to be honest.
But jason-recliner obviously thinks she 'weathered'