Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[passball]

Just to be clear, I have no purpose whatsoever to derail this place.

I was told that very first day that a little boy was missing.
I assumed he would be found.
Then it came out that it was complicated.
The lady ( who could have been anyone) gave an interview.
At that time I assumed it was a custody issue.
Then I was told there was a photo going around of William with a black eye so I assumed it was the parents.
Then it came out he was a foster child. Info about the Bios was reported. They had hidden William before.
Publicity about the Bios having run-ins with the Police.
The media painted a bad image of the Bios.

Next was a washing machine guy Police suspected, and they exposed his alleged history of offending of little kids.
Then moved on to Paul Savage.

No wonder I didn't know what to believe.
And I just believed what I was hearing or reading.


When I read that the final inquest was coming up I decided to post on here and ask questions while also looking up stuff myself.
Started to watch videos of the FPs and listening to the 000 call and then reading about the inconsistencies.

But I was also questioning myself if I actually had tunnel vision which led me to look up other what ifs.

But what hasn't left me is the gut feeling that the FPs are involved.
Why? Zero emotion, conflicting stories, and the most stupid excuses they make up.

That's who I am.

 

[passball]

Sorry about the novel but I wanted to fully explain myself, especially when people were suspicious of new posters

 

[31550]

Chris Dawson was convicted exclusively on consciousness of guilt evidence. No body. No evidence. But the judge determined it was the only feasible conclusion..

I can see layer upon layer of these same behaviours being used against the FM. The only difference is LD was an adult and could leave herself. WT is an infant and must have left by car. Her mysterious car trip to a destination that the truckie' said he didn't see her. why travel 1.3klm anyway when he was gone 5 min? The alleged lies.

Yes I think there is enough for charging. How convincing they refute alternative hypotheses will be crucial in determining beyond reasonable doubt. The problem there is the deathbed confession of Ray Porter. Persuasive

And we don't have evidence they may have either

How are each of the POI excluded

The Dawson case has similarities and differences. (I am not entirely familiar with the Dawson case but my observation.)

Forensic disadvantage - the legal precedent to allow circumstantial evidence to be admitted when there is no direct forensic evidence. In both cases, this applies due to the passage of time. Note that the coroner heard from experts who described how remains might deteriorate or be carried off by animals.

Motive - in the case of Dawson there was a clear theory about motive. There is no motive suggested in William's case other than that the FM feared losing custody of FD. Because police theory is that it was an accidental death, not anything more. IMO this is a weak motive. However, were police alleging something more sinister there are more potential motives for disposing of the body.

Tendency, pattern of behaviour. In Dawson's case witnesses testified to seeing violent behaviour between the couple. In William's case FM is not accused of harming him so her tendency evidence ( assault of FD ) is irrelevant. However, were she to be accused of contributing to his death it would be relevant IMO.

For these reasons I believe on the balance of probability, it is more likely that William's death was not accidental, and there is evidence which suggests FM had a strong motive to dispose of his body, and demonstrated tendency to assault children. This then presents an even stronger case that she interfered with a corpse and perverted the course of justice. IMO

 

[31550]

No wonder I didn't know what to believe.
And I just believed what I was hearing or reading.

You and the majority of the Australian public.
What has been reported in the media has never been a complete or accurate depiction of events and circumstances. Hence forums like this. We've been lied to and deceived since Day 1, and it continues.

 

[js47]

Sorry about the novel but I wanted to fully explain myself, especially when people were suspicious of new posters

Not for me

 

[passball]

I put the blame purely on FACS/DOCS, end of story.

 

[js47]

You and the majority of the Australian public.
What has been reported in the media has never been a complete or accurate depiction of events and circumstances. Hence forums like this. We've been lied to and deceived since Day 1, and it continues.

If it did go to a jury God help the poor jurors having to let go of subjective information they been exposed to.

 

[31550]

I put the blame purely on FACS/DOCS, end of story.

Dunno about 'purely'.
How can you be so sure without having any idea what actually happened to William?

FACS have a lot to answer for though.

As do others.

 

[passball]

If it did go to a jury God help the poor jurors having to let go of subjective information they been exposed to.

I have thought of that.
And I don't know if I can trust a judge in this case.
The FPs have kept powerful people as their handbags.
And if Gary Jubelin was as honest and straight as I believed he was, and I really loved his podcasts, he needs to step aside from the FPs to not influence anybody, he's damaging to the truth.

 

[passball]

Dunno about 'purely'.
How can you be so sure without having any idea what actually happened to William?

FACS have a lot to answer for though.

As do others.

To decide a 3 year olds fate that they will be in permanent foster care with adoption on the cards, in this case, was not the right decision.

 

[31550]

To decide a 3 year olds fate that they will be in permanent foster care with adoption on the cards, in this case, was not the right decision.

FACS can't order that. Needs a judge to make that order.

 

[gymjam]

I presume she gave the Coroner an edited selection of photos, not necessarily every single photo ever taken while she had William.
So, this is hardly evidence of anything in particular.
I wonder if the scrapbook contained any iconic foster Mum and foster son "meet cute" or similar moments? Or was FM always behind the camera?

Oh I reckon FM deliberately curated a 'special' collection of photos of William, taken in 'very special' places. wink

 

[js47]

31550 you are right but you have to make that decision on what has been put in front of you.

 

[js47]

Oh I reckon FM deliberately curated a 'special' collection of photos of William, taken in 'very special' places. wink

Love to see how talented she was.

 

[gymjam]

Chris Dawson was convicted exclusively on consciousness of guilt evidence. No body. No evidence. But the judge determined it was the only feasible conclusion..

I can see layer upon layer of these same behaviours being used against the FM. The only difference is LD was an adult and could leave herself. WT is an infant and must have left by car. Her mysterious car trip to a destination that the truckie' said he didn't see her. why travel 1.3klm anyway when he was gone 5 min? The alleged lies.

Yes I think there is enough for charging. How convincing they refute alternative hypotheses will be crucial in determining beyond reasonable doubt. The problem there is the deathbed confession of Ray Porter. Persuasive

And we don't have evidence they may have either

How are each of the POI excluded

How are each of the POI excluded you ask? I say by applying the bullshite scale of judgement!

 

[gymjam]

FACS can't order that. Needs a judge to make that order.

But the process was about to kick-off with Ben Atwood having pre-scheduled phone hook-up with a team member of the DOC adoption team for Friday 12/9/2014 at 1:30. He had advised the FM and FF during a personal visit to their home a couple of weeks prior to the 12th.

 

[gymjam]

I have thought of that.
And I don't know if I can trust a judge in this case.
The FPs have kept powerful people as their handbags.
And if Gary Jubelin was as honest and straight as I believed he was, and I really loved his podcasts, he needs to step aside from the FPs to not influence anybody, he's damaging to the truth.

And if the absolute outcome is what most people believe should be achieved, he has caused the most damage to himself.

 

[gymjam]

I put the blame purely on FACS/DOCS, end of story.

I reckon you may want to consider adding Salvation Young Hope

 

[gymjam]

Posting this link as a refresher to understand the Coroner's processes

https://coroners.nsw.gov.au/how-the-coroners-court-work/jurisdiction.html

 

[gymjam]

Love to see how talented she was.

No sign of any talent to date.

 

[passball]

But the process was about to kick-off with Ben Atwood having pre-scheduled his phone hook-up with a team member of the DOC adoption team for Friday 12/9/2014 at 1:30. He had advised the FM and FF during a personal visit to their home a couple of weeks prior to the 12th.

Was FD included in that?
Maybe her adoption had already been done.

 

[Underarrest_]

31550 you are right but you have to make that decision on what has been put in front of you.

The Judge makes the decision to place children in care under a court order from the first instance. They listen to both sides if the biological family are present in court (which we know bio parents in this case were.)
Perhaps if the needs of the children and importance of family unit were more taken into consideration and mandatory referrals for families for support were made there would be less children in care, especially less being court ordered into long term care and adoption.
It goes back to the start.
FACS and other authorities are also responsible for the decisions in removing children, how the bio families are supported, the choices of foster carers and monitoring the care to ensure the safety of the children.
I have to wonder what’s been learnt from the stolen generation and the forced removal of children from their Mothers to be placed for adoption in recent decades.

 

[js47]

Was FD included in that?
Maybe her adoption had already been done.

I would imagine she would be.
They let her stay with the fosters and if they had such faith in the fosters abilities then why didn’t they go ahead with supporting them to adopt?
Young hope knew what was coming.
They bailed.

 

[passball]

'He was here 5 minutes, here 5 minutes ago'
I find it strange the way FM and FF both repeat themselves in their speech, and repeat the same phrase.
It's like they are using earbuds and the sound is lagging. So weird.

 

[maggiethecat]

Was FD included in that?
Maybe her adoption had already been done.

I’m not sure it’s that easy to adopt a child without the biologicals parents notification or even a chance to contest it. I know all about forced adoption practices so please don’t come back at me with that because you are talking about another era .
If William was already adopted, nobody would be calling them the foster parents, it would just Parents!