Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Underarrest_]

Madelaine was unattended in her room while he parents ate outside a short distance away, wasn't she?

And yes, Chloe's abduction was audacious. Can't dispute that.

Abduction is a possibility but I just don't think it's as likely as other theories.

They often say the simplest explanation is usually the most likely.

I did mean that, Madelaine was in the hotel room and Chloe in the tent with her parents right there.
William’s another case though.
I hope there’s some evidence.
I just don’t think it’s looking good though with so much of Laidlaw’s statement extracted by the coroner.
Also that parts of the brief of evidence are in hands of public including persons of interest.

 

[Cataholic]

I did mean that, Madelaine was in the hotel room and Chloe in the tent with her parents right there.
William’s another case though.
I hope there’s some evidence.
I just don’t think it’s looking good though with so much of Laidlaw’s statement extracted by the coroner.
Also that parts of the brief of evidence are in hands of public including persons of interest.

In short, it's a debacle.

 

[Awakening]

McCanns were about 55 metres away.

If William was playing or standing on the corner waiting for Daddy, and FM and FGM are on the back verandah, he’d be about the same distance away.

I think he was unsupervised for 20 to 40 minutes.

Friends and McCanns reportedly would check on their kids every 30 minutes.

People absolutely knew William would be there that weekend. FGM would have told neighbours, friends, her other kids. Fosters would have told some people.

It seems no one (or very few) knew they’d leave on Thursday evening instead of leaving sometime on Friday.

But they were always going to be there on Friday and stay the weekend.

Entirely possible someone arrived early Friday morning to watch them as they arrived only to discover they already had.

Anyone with a 4wd could hide in the bush tracks.

Or it could be an opportunist; tradie, gardener, council worker, thief, vagrant, real estate agent, neighbour. The list is endless.

Those houses are on huge blocks, surrounded by bush providing perfect cover.

 

[31550]

McCanns were about 55 metres away.

If William was playing or standing on the corner waiting for Daddy, and FM and FGM are on the back verandah, he’d be about the same distance away.

I think he was unsupervised for 20 to 40 minutes.

Friends and McCanns reportedly would check on their kids every 30 minutes.

People absolutely knew William would be there that weekend. FGM would have told neighbours, friends, her other kids. Fosters would have told some people.

It seems no one (or very few) knew they’d leave on Thursday evening instead of leaving sometime on Friday.

But they were always going to be there on Friday and stay the weekend.

Entirely possible someone arrived early Friday morning to watch them as they arrived only to discover they already had.

Anyone with a 4wd could hide in the bush tracks.

Or it could be an opportunist; tradie, gardener, council worker, thief, vagrant, real estate agent, neighbour. The list is endless.

Those houses are on huge blocks, surrounded by bush providing perfect cover.

Planned abduction highly unlikely. With FF meeting scheduled for 9:30 they were never going to be in Kendall before 2pm Friday afternoon. Why go to the house at 10am? And why go all the way to Kendall when you could easily nick him from his Sydney home when he is 'waiting for FF' in the driveway, as he supposedly did so often. A car would be nowhere near as conspicuous in a noisy Sydney suburban street as it would be in quiet Benaroon Drive. There is more 'cover' in a more public situation. Any strange car or person is more noticeable in Kendall. IMO

 

[31550]

In short, it's a debacle.

The debacle continues with the coroner not wanting to hear from Laidlaw.
Harriet is not be interested in what the cops say because the cops want Harriet stood down from any inquests involving police.
FM won't talk to the cops any more.
FM won't talk to reporters (on record anyway).
Reporters don't talk to anyone.
Now Harriet doesn't want to hear from FM either.

How can the case be solved without listening to what various people have to say?

 

[Awakening]

Planned abduction highly unlikely. With FF meeting scheduled for 9:30 they were never going to be in Kendall before 2pm Friday afternoon. Why go to the house at 10am? And why go all the way to Kendall when you could easily nick him from his Sydney home when he is 'waiting for FF' in the driveway, as he supposedly did so often. A car would be nowhere near as conspicuous in a noisy Sydney suburban street as it would be in quiet Benaroon Drive. There is more 'cover' in a more public situation. Any strange car or person is more noticeable in Kendall. IMO

Why would they know about FF’s meeting? Why go to Sydney if they are local to Kendall?

They hear through FGM he is coming up on Friday. Perhaps they’d previously seen him at the street Christmas party.

They arrive before sunrise to stake out the place. Could do so in the nearby bushes with a decent car. They soon realise they are already there when they see FGMs car and the fosters car.

They see FF leave. Of course they don’t know when he will be back, but they stay watching.

When William is on the corner of the property, all alone and no other cars or persons about, except perhaps a noisy lawnmower, he seizes the opportunity.

 

[zedx]

Poor choice of words, but likely an exasperated expression of sarcasm re: abduction theory.

I'm in agreement with them. I think the abduction theory is the least likely imo.

The location and geography don't make sense imo. A remote, dead end road - how would someone know he was there, happen to know when FF was away and FM least attentive, etc?

Different circumstances to Madelaine and Chloe.

BBM- people keep saying this, but its just not true! Kendall is a small town just off the main highway to several well known sea side locations. There are many reasons why people might 'drop' in. From the forestry walk trails, bike riding trails, forestry drives and houses for sale (retirement, sea change or looking for a peaceful life style). It is a beautiful little town. Its already been proven that residents did not see every single car that drove around Kendall that day. IMO random abduction is a real possibility and it should not be overlooked.

 

[31550]

They arrive before sunrise to stake out the place. Could do so in the nearby bushes with a decent car. They soon realise they are already there when they see FGMs car and the fosters car.

They see FF leave. Of course they don’t know when he will be back, but they stay watching.

If that had happened they would have been spotted by the Crabbs when they left or returned, or Sharpley when she dropped her kids or came back, or Savage when he went for his walk, or the FF when he drove off.

 

[Cataholic]

The debacle continues with the coroner not wanting to hear from Laidlaw.
Harriet is not be interested in what the cops say because the cops want Harriet stood down from any inquests involving police.
FM won't talk to the cops any more.
FM won't talk to reporters (on record anyway).
Reporters don't talk to anyone.
Now Harriet doesn't want to hear from FM either.

How can the case be solved without listening to what various people have to say?

The case is further away from being solved than ever imo.

Egos, petulance, ineptitude, lies and questionable testimony have made one hellacious mess of the whole damn thing.

 

[Cataholic]

BBM- people keep saying this, but its just not true! Kendall is a small town just off the main highway to several well known sea side locations. There are many reasons why people might 'drop' in. From the forestry walk trails, bike riding trails, forestry drives and houses for sale (retirement, sea change or looking for a peaceful life style). It is a beautiful little town. Its already been proven that residents did not see every single car that drove around Kendall that day. IMO random abduction is a real possibility and it should not be overlooked.

No, it shouldn't be overlooked, but the likelihood is not high imo.

In pointing out the geography etc I was referring to the specific dead-end road FGM's house is on, not Kendall itself.

 

[Lady O]

Why would they know about FF’s meeting? Why go to Sydney if they are local to Kendall?

They hear through FGM he is coming up on Friday. Perhaps they’d previously seen him at the street Christmas party.

They arrive before sunrise to stake out the place. Could do so in the nearby bushes with a decent car. They soon realise they are already there when they see FGMs car and the fosters car.

They see FF leave. Of course they don’t know when he will be back, but they stay watching.

When William is on the corner of the property, all alone and no other cars or persons about, except perhaps a noisy lawnmower, he seizes the opportunity.

What would prompt a person from Kendall to want to abduct WT?

 

[Wallace52]

What would prompt a person from Kendall to want to abduct WT?

Nothing, and there have been no child abductions after that in Kendall yet no one has been arrested over his “abduction.”

There was no abduction imo.

 

[Cataholic]

Nothing, and there have been no child abductions after that in Kendall yet no one has been arrested over his “abduction.”

There was no abduction imo.

Has there ever been an incident in Kendall with a child, beside WT?

 

[zedx]

No, it shouldn't be overlooked, but the likelihood is not high imo.

In pointing out the geography etc I was referring to the specific dead-end road FGM's house is on, not Kendall itself.

IMO random abduction seems much more likely than anything else because there is no direct evidence of anything else, which IMO only leads to random abduction.
IIRC some one mentioned there was a house for sale on that road?

 

[Lady O]

Has there ever been an incident in Kendall with a child, beside WT?

Yes, a little boy went missing not long before WT. Was found, he just wandered off.

 

[Cataholic]

Yes, a little boy went missing not long before WT. Was found, he just wandered off.

Age?

How far did he wander?

 

[Lady O]

Age?

How far did he wander?

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/police-search-for-missing-toddler-tyler-near-taree/news-story/45aa26e97732bdc8466eda2d715af18b

 

[31550]

IMO random abduction seems much more likely than anything else because there is no direct evidence of anything else, which IMO only leads to random abduction.
IIRC some one mentioned there was a house for sale on that road?

Random abductions, or opportunistic abductions, (as opposed to planned / when the abductee is known to the abductor) account for only 1% of all abductions. They are extremely rare.

 

[Underarrest_]

Random abductions, or opportunistic abductions, (as opposed to planned / when the abductee is known to the abductor) account for only 1% of all abductions. They are extremely rare.

What’s the percentage of a child having an accident and their Mother/carer not phoning 000 which is what police are alleging.

 

[31550]

What’s the percentage of a child having an accident and their Mother/carer not phoning 000 which is what police are alleging.

Don't have that statistic. But in NSW approx 1.6 of all child deaths are the result of abuse by family members. So it's not uncommon. In 2015 this was 8 deaths out of 504.
Abuse is only one reason why deaths are concealed or not reported immediately.

 

[Wallace52]

Yes, a little boy went missing not long before WT. Was found, he just wandered off.

But he was not abducted.

 

[InTheBleachers]

What would prompt a person from Kendall to want to abduct WT?

Within 10 days of William going missing the sex crimes squad was called in.

 

[passball]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/police-search-for-missing-toddler-tyler-near-taree/news-story/45aa26e97732bdc8466eda2d715af18b

Again.
Missing on a Friday at 10.30am

 

[Wallace52]

What’s the percentage of a child having an accident and their Mother/carer not phoning 000 which is what police are alleging.

I think to be honest, an accident where here is no 000 call is looking a bit more like manslaughter to me.

Because logically, if there is a serious accident (and this balcony fall would have been incredibly serious), you call 000 right away.

IMO there is no one who would not call and would cover it up. No mother would do that.

Maybe a foster mother who didn’t have any feeling for her child and didn’t feel like the child was hers, or maybe a step mom who despised her husband’s biological child.

That’s the only thing I can think of. A carer who had no connection with the child and no empathy for him.

It’s a complex question.

 

[31550]

I think to be honest, an accident where here is no 000 call is looking a bit more like manslaughter to me.

Because logically, if there is a serious accident (and this balcony fall would have been incredibly serious), you call 000 right away.

IMO there is no one who would not call and would cover it up. No mother would do that.

Maybe a foster mother who didn’t have any feeling for her child and didn’t feel like the child was hers, or maybe a step mom who despised her husband’s biological child.

That’s the only thing I can think of. A carer who had no connection with the child and no empathy for him.

It’s a complex question.

Putting manslaughter aside, a child's death may be covered up by somebody who doesn't want the body to be examined, because to do so might reveal a history of abuse or maltreatment. Or someone in fear of consequences.