Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Earls Smother]

They don't know the difference, they're hungry and they're not thinking "Oh this could be a human, better not do it I could get in trouble".

Daniel Morcombe's body was scavenged by dogs.

There's a long history of people dying in their homes with nobody realising for days and when they're found, the cat has started eating them.

It was, but there were still bones many years later.

We are talking days with William.

 

[Earls Smother]

Really not much point posting another posters timeline from ages ago.
We need to focus on what the coroner accepts as the timeline.
You talk about a 10.30 start for the drive.
That is not possible. That's the time of the FF text home in 5. And FM says she met him in the driveway which makes 10.35. Then and only then did they talk to neighbours and Anne Maree was the first stop for FM so that's 10.40 already.

Now we are supposed to believe that FM immediately left by car, went to the riding school and back, and was back at the top of Benaroon dialling 000 at 10.56? This allows no time for searching the street and walking to near BCR which she swears to in her 2014 statement. Also none of the people who were supposed to be in the street saw her.

The timing might be arguably consistent with Peter's times but quite improbable that nobody saw her because several people were actively looking for William by then. Peter's times are also consistent with her leaving on the drive much earlier, and in this case it is much more likely nobody saw her as nobody was looking for William earlier.

You babble about timeline constantly.

You get one from someone who has attended the inquest/s and you don't want to know about it, because it doesn't suit your narrative. *

 

[31550]

It was, but there were still bones many years later.

We are talking days with William.

Only in the area they searched. If he was dumped further afield there may still be remains.

 

[31550]

You babble about timeline constantly.

You get one from someone who has attended the inquest/s and you don't want to know about it, because it doesn't suit your narrative. *

The timeline you reposted does not include the drive. It cannot fit. Just show me the drive in a consistent timeline and I'll stop babbling.

 

[Earls Smother]

The timeline you reposted does not include the drive. It cannot fit.

Drive 10:30 to 10:35.

Beat FF back by the time it took to go inside and get her phone.

 

[Kurve]

It was, but there were still bones many years later.

We are talking days with William.

Only 17 of Daniel's bones were found eight years after he vanished. The dig at Batar Creek Road was 7 years after William vanished.

Daniel was 13yo, William was 3yo and small for his age. About 17kg iirc?

I agree his shoes and the spiderman suit could have been found more easily, unless they were carried away. Or he wasn't there at all.

 

[Wallace52]

Only 17 of Daniel's bones were found eight years after he vanished. The dig at Batar Creek Road was 7 years after William vanished.

Daniel was 13yo, William was 3yo and small for his age. About 17kg iirc?

I agree his shoes and the spiderman suit could have been found more easily, unless they were carried away. Or he wasn't there at all.

It looks to me like he wasn’t there at all.

But how could that be?

Where is he? It would make sense to me that someone has interfered with a corpse, because I don’t think a deceased William moved himself. Maybe that’s why there’s charges sitting with police regarding interfering with a corpse, because the evidence (which some say is a lack of evidence), points to human interference with his body.

 

[31550]

Drive 10:30 to 10:35.

Beat FF back by the time it took to go inside and get her phone.

That's not what FM said happened though.

 

[Kurve]

No bickering thanks, keep it civil and engage with each other respectfully.

Thank you.

 

[Awakening]

In regards to bones, some can be taken back to dens, other smaller remains can be spread further afield by other scavengers.

Anyway, based on my experience, it’s possible. But a local person with some knowledge of foxes would be better placed to say. And I believe they had experts at the inquest who would have ruled that possibility in or out.

 

[Awakening]

That's not what FM said happened though.

I thought your opinion was that FM never went for a drive?

 

[Earls Smother]

That's not what FM said happened though.

This is what she said;

AMS said no, suggested bus stop on Crn Benaroon Drive & Batar Creek Rd, FFC ran to bus stop , heard the “scream” , ran back to # 48 Benaroon Drive, got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far, went back to FGM house, ran inside & got her mobile phone, saw message from MFC, she ran out to driveway , just as MFC drove in & asked him “ Have you got William?”

 

[Wallace52]

Only 17 of Daniel's bones were found eight years after he vanished. The dig at Batar Creek Road was 7 years after William vanished.

Daniel was 13yo, William was 3yo and small for his age. About 17kg iirc?

I agree his shoes and the spiderman suit could have been found more easily, unless they were carried away. Or he wasn't there at all.

No. We are looking at about 14.4 kilos (that is the average weight for a 3 year old) or less.

Height and weight chart from newborn to 8 years: Average child and baby weight by age

Find out about kids' average weight and height from birth to 8 years old – and learn what your child's growth percentile really means.

www.babycenter.com

The fox or dingo theory wouldn’t explain that his clothes and shoes are missing, unless wild animals took them farther away over the 7 year time period and they ended up outside the search area.

 

[Awakening]

The things you do for ungrateful people hey.

Despite what that poster says about the fact she had to have driven earlier and not looked for him, I think it fits well with the timeline below.

Arrives BCR/C&Co road about 10:05
Goes with Michelle to property to suss out access, gets back to truck 10:15
Takes truck to property to load excavator 10:17-10:45
Leaves Kendall 10:53
So therefore he is at the property when FM made the drive around 10:30.



This is the timeline of someone (from early 2020) who had attended inquest days and used CO's book.

I have no idea of the accuracy but it supports the 10:30ish drive.

06:30 ish : PS goes for his walk

06:00 - 07:00 : kids wake up

07:00 - 07:30 : FFC opens curtains & sees 2 cars between # 31 ( AMS ) & #35 ( Peter's ) houses

07:30 : breakfast & dress etc

08:10 : AMS waves her kids of to school who are at the bus stop on crn Benaroon & Batar Ck Rd. She is standing at her carport.

08:40 : AMS reverses out to take her child to pre-school. Arrives at 9am. Saw no cars parked on the street.

08:40 : MFC leaves for Lakewood( from CO book suggested he left around 08:40 by CCTV @ the tennis club )

08:55 - 09:00 : MFC leaves Benaroon drive ( evidence from inquest evidence )

08:50 : PS back from his walk, he stopped for approx 30mins to talk to lady named "Lyn" -the lady from the caravan

09:02 : PS calls Casino hospital where his brother is ( call lasts 22 seconds )


09:03 : FFC calls Bill Spedding from FGM's landline, leaves a message. Call lasted 38 seconds

09:05 – 10:00 ish : ( most of this is from the CO book )FFC gave no direct times in her evidence also

*FFC took WT for walk around garden (Lindsay was inside with FGM),

*were playing “Mummy Monsters” FFC spotted good climbing tree, tried to get WT to climb tree, he was not interested “No mummy, too high”

* FFC noticed 2 cars she saw earlier. FFC sipped & grazed hand.

* FFC said at the inquest they were playing for “ around 5 minutes”

* Went inside to tend to hand, Lindsay asked what they had been doing, she than wanted to play “Mummy monsters” so they all went out again to play.

* Both kids collected leaves & twigs for cards they intended to make for “ Opa’s” grave

* Worked on cards for a while ( I think this might have been when the photos were taken @ 09:37) & than FGM said “ Okay , let’s see your new bikes”

* Both kids raced to carport ( MFC had taken bikes out of car the evening before )

* Kids rode up & down the driveway , only going as far as the road & not over the kerb.

* After a few laps WT suggested they have a race . so they did & took off to the end of the driveway. Lindsay stopped in the middle of the driveway & said “whose that car Mummy?” , FFC looked & saw dark green -grey sedan pull into the Millers driveway & reverse out & leave, she said “ I don’t know , probably the neighbours”

* Kids were than back riding theie bikes , Lindsay lost her balance coming down the driveway & fell into the garden, she was not hurt, WT than decided he would crash his bike into the garden also.

* FGM than said “I think it’s time to put these bikes away”

09:10 : GO calls FGM house ( from CO book )


09:30 - 09:35 : Crabbs arrive home @ 51 Benaroon Drive, did not see any cars on street. Went to toilet, made cup of teaa & sat on back deck.

09:37 : Photos taken on back deck of FGM

09:42 : MS & BS pay for coffees etc @ Buzz Café

09:45 - 09:45 : Mr Crabb hears a car turn around, sounds like posties ( from the inquest ) about 10 mins after getting home

09:59 – 10:07 : PS call Casino hospital, call lasts 8 minutes


10:10 – 10:05 : Mrs Crabb hears car sitting on back deck , about 40mins ( Mr Crabb said 10 mins ) after arriving home , thought “ sounded like the postman, car came up reasonably fast , did a u-turn & continued on it’s way” ( from her evidence )

10:00 -10:30ish :

FGM put kettle on ( after being outside with the kids riding the bikes ) ( from CO book )

Kids had now moved to the back deck , after teas made both FFC & FGM sat outside on deck.

Lindsay emptied the pencil container, & a dice rolled out, played dice game where Lindsay would jump the amount of times that the dice landed on.

WT came over & played as well, he soon got bored & than decided to play another game “ Daddy Tiger” , he pretended to be Daddy Tiger , he crawled around on the ground for a bit , playing at being a Tiger, He was running around roaring , in his Velcro sandals & spiderman suit .

He asked Lindsay if she wanted to play too, but she was concentrating on making her card, so William carried on without her , jumping of the deck , roaring & coming back again. He jumped of the deck , ran around the side of the house roared…………….than silence

10:30-10:56 : FFC ran to AMS’s house, asked if saw little boy in spiderman suit? , AMS said no, suggested bus stop on Crn Benaroon Drive & Batar Creek Rd, FFC ran to bus stop , heard the “scream” , ran back to # 48 Benaroon Drive, got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far, went back to FGM house, ran inside & got her mobile phone, saw message from MFC, she ran out to driveway , just as MFC drove in & asked him “ Have you got William?” “ No , why would I have William?” . I can’t find him the FFC said. MFC took off frantically looking for William.


10:05 - 10:15 : Detective Laura Beacroft thinks this time could be when WT went missing

10:10 - 10:15 : Laidlaw thinks this could be the time WT went missing

10:19 : MFC has script filled at chemist

10:20 : PS & MS left café to walk across to school

10:00 - 11:00 : Geoff Owen at Kendall Community centre paying for his advertising

10: 30 : MFC sent text, be back 5 minutes using Siri function on his phone.

10:30 : FFC noticed all quite, can see WT, can't hear WT, starts looking for him (***IMO this had to be slightly earlier)

10:35 : MFC arrives back in Benaroon Drive, meets FFC in driveway asks “ have you go

10:35 - 10:45 : Lydene Heslop arrives home from grocery shopping. Saw man on mower, saw no cars

10:37 - 10:38 : Heather Savage leaves for bingo

10:40 : AMS outside in carport having a cigarette, FFC comes to her fence. AMS could hear male voice loudly calling for William in the background coming from behind FGM's house.

Even though I lean towards FM’s involvement, an abduction is still entirely possible.

 

[Earls Smother]

Only 17 of Daniel's bones were found eight years after he vanished. The dig at Batar Creek Road was 7 years after William vanished.

Daniel was 13yo, William was 3yo and small for his age. About 17kg iirc?

I agree his shoes and the spiderman suit could have been found more easily, unless they were carried away. Or he wasn't there at all.

That was well within the initial search radius that was quoted a couple of pages back.

That dig was going over old ground and you know that.

 

[Wallace52]

In regards to bones, some can be taken back to dens, other smaller remains can be spread further afield by other scavengers.

Anyway, based on my experience, it’s possible. But a local person with some knowledge of foxes would be better placed to say. And I believe they had experts at the inquest who would have ruled that possibility in or out.

They did but her Honour did not wish to hear from them.

 

[Earls Smother]

It looks to me like he wasn’t there at all.

But how could that be?

Where is he? It would make sense to me that someone has interfered with a corpse, because I don’t think a deceased William moved himself. Maybe that’s why there’s charges sitting with police regarding interfering with a corpse, because the evidence (which some say is a lack of evidence), points to human interference with his body.

That's a novel thought.

 

[Wallace52]

Even though I lean towards FM’s involvement, an abduction is still entirely possible.

It’s about as possible as Terence Darrell Kelly unzipping Cleo’s tent without her parents hearing.

Unlikely, but definitely not impossible.

 

[Wallace52]

That's a novel thought.

Well the evidence proves that William, dead or alive, was moved by a human.
IMO

 

[Kurve]

No. We are looking at about 14.4 kilos (that is the average weight for a 3 year old) or less.

Height and weight chart from newborn to 8 years: Average child and baby weight by age

Find out about kids' average weight and height from birth to 8 years old – and learn what your child's growth percentile really means.

www.babycenter.com

The fox or dingo theory wouldn’t explain that his clothes and shoes are missing, unless wild animals took them farther away over the 7 year time period and they ended up outside the search area.

I'm not going to squabble over the difference of 2.6kgs, the point stands if I'd thought she said he was about 40 pounds.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

You babble about timeline constantly.

You get one from someone who has attended the inquest/s and you don't want to know about it, because it doesn't suit your narrative. You are as laughable as the clown gifs you posted.

Newsflash..this is a case with tight timeline and will only be solved if it can be focussing on that timeline and whatever holes can be ascertained..
31550 has a eye for detail and is precise with these things. He has justifiably created credibility..All the people here have established credibility in their respective strengths and had a level of trust established because of it.. I don't yet trust anything new because it's untested. Over time a credibility may be established too. Good if it does. Until then I remain wary. No offence meant.

Just because someone has attended the inquest doesn't mean the posts they create are entirely unbiased and objective accounts. That is determined over time.

Being disrespectful to 31550 serves no purpose other than raising further questions on motive and objectivity quite apart from also breaching rules

 

[31550]

This is what she said;

AMS said no, suggested bus stop on Crn Benaroon Drive & Batar Creek Rd, FFC ran to bus stop , heard the “scream” , ran back to # 48 Benaroon Drive, got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far, went back to FGM house, ran inside & got her mobile phone, saw message from MFC, she ran out to driveway , just as MFC drove in & asked him “ Have you got William?”

She didn't see Anne Maree until after FF came home. Anne Maree testified she could hear a male voice calling William when she met FM.

 

[Underarrest_]

It’s about as possible as Terence Darrell Kelly unzipping Cleo’s tent without her parents hearing.

Unlikely, but definitely not impossible.

Cleo’s parents would have been on the radar if police hadn’t moved swiftly. Amazing cops they were!

 

[Earls Smother]

Well the evidence proves that William, dead or alive, was moved by a human.
IMO

Yes from 48 Benaroon.

No evidence anywhere to suggest any other move.

 

[Kurve]

That was well within the initial search radius that was quoted a couple of pages back.

That dig was going over old ground and you know that.

No, I didn't know that the initial search included the section they went back to dig up. Or the creek.

It's also possible that I might have missed some posts.