DIVISION 1 2013

[footyfan1984]

There's merit in your argument given they're outright 2nd at the halfway point of the season. Curious why they were so poor against HR. Really bad day or missing a few?
I think Ormond are stiff to be left out. Have a feeling they're starting to wind up and will be there at the pointy end.

From what i hear, quite a few out against Hampton, main one missing was captain Ben Gray which doesn't make up 100 points, but definitely will be a different game when played in Williamstown! As for leaving Ormond out, i was not picking a top four, just my tips for the weekend gone and obviously was wrong about Ormond, very good win against Mentone! If i was to pick a top four Ormond would probably be in it. Another convincing win on the weekend though has to put Williamstown favourites for this week against Mentone in Williamstown, which if won could put them two games clear of third.

 

[Rissoles]

Historically they were held at NOBS ground.

Don't know how far the historical facts go back, Max. Last several years (other than last year) the Div 1 finals were held at Mazenod's ground, Central Reserve, Waverley.

 

[Jascave]

I remember that NOBs ground was the scene for the game I rate as the most dramatic in my time doing the interchange for the Rovers.

The game I'm referring to is the 1995 D Section Preliminary Final between the Rovers and Southbank.

That game had everything you'd want and more. Rovers led by 6 goals coming into the last quarter but had to hang on for dear life with the Bankers piling on the goals but wasn't accurate enough.

The Rovers fell in by 1 goal, and of course won their first senior premiership for 44 years defeating Thomastown at Scammell Reserve a week later.

 

[Max Leader]

Don't know how far the historical facts go back, Max. Last several years (other than last year) the Div 1 finals were held at Mazenod's ground, Central Reserve, Waverley.

Sounds arrogant, but the last time we were in D Grade it was held at the Gillon. My mistake. I'm getting old!!!

 

[Over The Post]

Fun times at Mazenod, in the 08 GF was seeing how close I could get to the ball as it came through. Got caught when a massive punt hit a clump of grass just over the line, bounced straight onto my boot and I banged it back out to the 45. Probably the best kick I've ever done.

 

[Uncle Mick]

Mazenod hosted last year's finals series with the GF at TBO. One would think if HR, Mentone & Ormond figure prominently they'd look for a ground in/near the Bayside area. SFL clubs Mordialloc and Cheltenham are suitable venues. Both previously used by the VAFA.

 

[Jascave]

Who would make it into the VAFA Division 1 Team of the Year based on their performances at the halfway stage of the season?

 

[str8fromahorsesmouth]

rob chisolm definatly, has scored a huge bag of goals considering the ammount of games he has played. let alone the time missed by sitting on the bench not willing to risk doing his hammy again

 

[perspective]

Mazenod hosted last year's finals series with the GF at TBO. One would think if HR, Mentone & Ormond figure prominently they'd look for a ground in/near the Bayside area. SFL clubs Mordialloc and Cheltenham are suitable venues. Both previously used by the VAFA.

Uncle there will be no playing finals at Mordialloc or Cheltenham as they will be used for SFL Finals, and I am fairly sure that the SFL would not want to provide the VAFA with anything as there is a lot of feeling between Canitzo and Sholley.

 

[Jimmyjack]

Uncle there will be no playing finals at Mordialloc or Cheltenham as they will be used for SFL Finals, and I am fairly sure that the SFL would not want to provide the VAFA with anything as there is a lot of feeling between Canitzo and Sholley.

A bit off track here but a Q for Perspective. You’re an SFL man so can you explain why the tell the SFL played Div finals 1 at Clayton which is barely big enough for H & A let alone the comps showpiece games. If SFL not prepared to use Mordy and Chelt plus others that are far superior then why not let the VAFA? With 7 seniors divisions, 6 junior plus 3 divisions of 3rds and clubbies the VAFA quite rightly want the best grounds, not just the best VAFA grounds. If overlooked by the SFL I don’t think it is a decision for Cannizzo but more a decision for the club or council.

 

[Jascave]

Don't be surprised to see a bit of a heated argument between the SFL and the VAFA over the use of grounds for their finals series. Maybe AFL Victoria could resolve this dispute before it gets really nasty between the SFL and the VAFA.

 

[AM]

Don't be surprised to see a bit of a heated argument between the SFL and the VAFA over the use of grounds for their finals series. Maybe AFL Victoria could resolve this dispute before it gets really nasty between the SFL and the VAFA.

Tell me more Jase. The SFL generally use Mordialloc, Cheltenham and Clayton for their finals. Expect that won't change much although don't be surprised if Bentleigh is factored in if they can get the local Council to agree.

 

[perspective]

A bit off track here but a Q for Perspective. You’re an SFL man so can you explain why the tell the SFL played Div finals 1 at Clayton which is barely big enough for H & A let alone the comps showpiece games. If SFL not prepared to use Mordy and Chelt plus others that are far superior then why not let the VAFA? With 7 seniors divisions, 6 junior plus 3 divisions of 3rds and clubbies the VAFA quite rightly want the best grounds, not just the best VAFA grounds. If overlooked by the SFL I don’t think it is a decision for Cannizzo but more a decision for the club or council.

Jimmy, I am not an SFL bloke I am a supplier and get around to a number of leagues but the VAFA and SFL support by business the best. I have done a bit of research in the past day to answer your question, Clayton is only 12 metres shorter than Springvale which is the biggest SFL ground, the crowds at Springvale in the last few years were not great yet venues such as Chelt and Clayton which are a bit closer in were perceived as better options re crowds. A couple of clubs in first div arched up but at the end of the day the best team won the grand final as has happened for the past 10 years and the size of the ground had little impact, they used to play the GF at Mordi which is very similar size to clayton. I did hear a whisper yesterday when doing my research that like 3 or 4 years ago 4 or 5 grounds may be used for finals so as to lighten the load on each venue as the grounds are starting to get chopped up. Bentleigh is out because they cannot fence it and take it down by first thing monday economically. Chelt, Clayton and mordi still have fences along with Springvale and Heatherton....
I reckon the VAFA have some excellent grounds they should use for finals that have now had the warm season grasses planted - Ormond for one - THEY NEED THE $$. The VAFA are different in that they do not rely as heavily on finals revenue to keep the league alive the SFL rely almost entirely on affiliation and finals for revenue.
For the record the VAFA and SFL do not get on ever since Sholley got involved with the MSJFL making the decision to join the SFL ( Oh BTW the right decision was made not to merge as the SMJFL are flying, they may have needed some direction a couple of years ago but they are right now.)

For the Ormond guys when is Robbo returning from that wrist injury?

 

[bedford]

When we need him.

 

[Jimmyjack]

Jimmy, I am not an SFL bloke I am a supplier and get around to a number of leagues but the VAFA and SFL support by business the best. I have done a bit of research in the past day to answer your question, Clayton is only 12 metres shorter than Springvale which is the biggest SFL ground, the crowds at Springvale in the last few years were not great yet venues such as Chelt and Clayton which are a bit closer in were perceived as better options re crowds. A couple of clubs in first div arched up but at the end of the day the best team won the grand final as has happened for the past 10 years and the size of the ground had little impact, they used to play the GF at Mordi which is very similar size to clayton. I did hear a whisper yesterday when doing my research that like 3 or 4 years ago 4 or 5 grounds may be used for finals so as to lighten the load on each venue as the grounds are starting to get chopped up. Bentleigh is out because they cannot fence it and take it down by first thing monday economically. Chelt, Clayton and mordi still have fences along with Springvale and Heatherton....
I reckon the VAFA have some excellent grounds they should use for finals that have now had the warm season grasses planted - Ormond for one - THEY NEED THE $$. The VAFA are different in that they do not rely as heavily on finals revenue to keep the league alive the SFL rely almost entirely on affiliation and finals for revenue.
For the record the VAFA and SFL do not get on ever since Sholley got involved with the MSJFL making the decision to join the SFL ( Oh BTW the right decision was made not to merge as the SMJFL are flying, they may have needed some direction a couple of years ago but they are right now.)

For the Ormond guys when is Robbo returning from that wrist injury?

Absolutely the right decsion was made. I said that at the time and still believe it. Junior comps don’t need senior affiliates and I am glad that common sense prevailed. What was proposed was absurd and would have divided the juniors and diluted the standard. Sholly was quite entitled to buy in, as many of his VAFA clubs would have been impacted. Holdsworth was the SFL chief at the time and relationship between he and Sholly was always good.

Anyway moving on. – Like many people I keep an eye on the fortunes of a few SFL clubs via friendships and other footy connections. Went to a final at Clayton last year and thought it was very poor venues - surface, size, parking, and the lot. The length might be one thing but the wings and pockets seemed very tight. Have also been to SFL finals at Chelt, Springy and Mordi and reckon Clayton is far inferior to all of those. Anyway you take what’s available and it’s a decsion for them I suppose.

What’s you line of business? I might know you

PS – Why the unhealthy obsession with Ormond and its finances?

 

[bedford]

He has been relentless on that.
The new Treasurer at the club has been the VAFA one for the last 15 years and the club is being run very well, so he needs not to worry.

 

[Rissoles]

The bottom line is that the VAFA will only use enclosed grounds in the finals so that they can make money. Whether that is good for member clubs is neither here or there because that is what they do.
Other leagues seem to be far more proactive and fence their final grounds in with temporary fencing to achieve the same objective - charge spectators. With all the great grounds we have in the vafa, why don't the board look at this option? Saves us going to other league grounds and keeps in the Ammos.

 

[AM]

The bottom line is that the VAFA will only use enclosed grounds in the finals so that they can make money. Whether that is good for member clubs is neither here or there because that is what they do.
Other leagues seem to be far more proactive and fence their final grounds in with temporary fencing to achieve the same objective - charge spectators. With all the great grounds we have in the vafa, why don't the board look at this option? Saves us going to other league grounds and keeps in the Ammos.

They've tried temporary fencing on occasions and found it to not be as effective and quite costly I understand. The VAFA has sufficient enclosed grounds. Problem is many municipalities aren't flexible in there approach when it comes to the football/cricket season divide.

 

[Rissoles]

They've tried temporary fencing on occasions and found it to not be as effective and quite costly I understand. The VAFA has sufficient enclosed grounds. Problem is many municipalities aren't flexible in there approach when it comes to the football/cricket season divide.

Why do the other leagues (SFL, NFL, Etc) find temporary fencing adequate (including Balwyn FC at every home game) and yet VAFA don't find them 'effective'. If other clubs in other leagues find them suitable, why would they be any more costly for the VAFA? The fact is the VAFA do not have enough 'enclosed' grounds available for finals. That is why the VAFA is currently using other grounds in finals (eg Trevor Barker Oval). What do they pay these grounds? More than the cost of temporary fencing or less?

Within the VAFA there are many grounds that are suitable for finals football and do not have cricket issues, especially when a lot of councils state the end of winter tenancy as the end of October if they are playing finals.

Sorry, AM, your argument lacks little substance and less fact.

 

[AM]

Why do the other leagues (SFL, NFL, Etc) find temporary fencing adequate (including Balwyn FC at every home game) and yet VAFA don't find them 'effective'. If other clubs in other leagues find them suitable, why would they be any more costly for the VAFA? The fact is the VAFA do not have enough 'enclosed' grounds available for finals. That is why the VAFA is currently using other grounds in finals (eg Trevor Barker Oval). What do they pay these grounds? More than the cost of temporary fencing or less?

Within the VAFA there are many grounds that are suitable for finals football and do not have cricket issues, especially when a lot of councils state the end of winter tenancy as the end of October if they are playing finals.

Sorry, AM, your argument lacks little substance and less fact.

I'm not here to have shit fight buddy. Just passing on the facts.

 

[bedford]

The Ammo's have enough money so why can't say from Div 1 down be free and then other grounds like Ormond and Princes Park come in to play and they have the best surfaces.

 

[perspective]

Absolutely the right decsion was made. I said that at the time and still believe it. Junior comps don’t need senior affiliates and I am glad that common sense prevailed. What was proposed was absurd and would have divided the juniors and diluted the standard. Sholly was quite entitled to buy in, as many of his VAFA clubs would have been impacted. Holdsworth was the SFL chief at the time and relationship between he and Sholly was always good.

Anyway moving on. – Like many people I keep an eye on the fortunes of a few SFL clubs via friendships and other footy connections. Went to a final at Clayton last year and thought it was very poor venues - surface, size, parking, and the lot. The length might be one thing but the wings and pockets seemed very tight. Have also been to SFL finals at Chelt, Springy and Mordi and reckon Clayton is far inferior to all of those. Anyway you take what’s available and it’s a decsion for them I suppose.

What’s you line of business? I might know you

PS – Why the unhealthy obsession with Ormond and its finances?

I understand that Holsworth and Sholley were very rrespectful of each other Thet were both trying to ensure the health of junior footy in the area and wanted change and after a year or so got that with a good SMJFL.knowing Holsworth reasonably well and knowing his continued work volunraily that he does with clubs around youth suicide and depression he definetely was not in the game for anythingg other than the development of footy in the region.

 

[Rooster 24]

Why do the other leagues (SFL, NFL, Etc) find temporary fencing adequate (including Balwyn FC at every home game) and yet VAFA don't find them 'effective'. If other clubs in other leagues find them suitable, why would they be any more costly for the VAFA? The fact is the VAFA do not have enough 'enclosed' grounds available for finals. That is why the VAFA is currently using other grounds in finals (eg Trevor Barker Oval). What do they pay these grounds? More than the cost of temporary fencing or less?

Within the VAFA there are many grounds that are suitable for finals football and do not have cricket issues, especially when a lot of councils state the end of winter tenancy as the end of October if they are playing finals.

Sorry, AM, your argument lacks little substance and less fact.

Agree with much of what you say Rissoles but winter tenancy actually ends 1 September for most clubs so VAFA slugged for ground hire for hosting finals whether it is a VAFA or non VAFA ground. Advantage with a VAFA ground is of course that the host club can make some $ on the canteen and post match bar.

Additionally many types of council simply don’t let football progress into September, as they want to start preparing turf wickets for cricket – particularly the Premier or Sub District grounds. We bid for finals last 2 seasons but council knocked us back for reasons outlined above. We even had the ridiculous situation of our 1s, 2s and 19s still being involved in finals but having to train elsewhere due council cricket pitch preparations.

Being such a huge comp with so many grades finding suitable grounds will always be troublesome and there are the geographical factors to consider. I reckon all things considered they do a reasonable job.

Bedford. Great idea. Maybe not free as VAFA do need to pay for ground hire but maybe gold coin entry. However I can’t see those money hungry grubs at HQ going for that. They have an overseas junket this year to pay for.

 

[Privateye]

What sort of amounts are we talking about here?

 

[bedford]

Once again it shows you have no knowledge of what is happening inside the club in regards to that unfortunate matter.
148 going to the past players lunch this week, more than enough players every week , biggest numbers on the track pre season and now, so somethings being done right.