That pretty much says it all. Seriously, if you had left Earth, spent the past 5-10 years on another planet, and then returned to watch your first game in over 5 years, you'd wonder if you were still watching football.
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Do umpires influence the outcome of games?
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That pretty much says it all. Seriously, if you had left Earth, spent the past 5-10 years on another planet, and then returned to watch your first game in over 5 years, you'd wonder if you were still watching football.
Well, we tried to kick that goal in the dying seconds and might have had a chance if the umpire didn't ignore an infingement against Buddy. We also would've been 1 goal up had the umpire penalised Pods for jumper holding in the 1st quarter.
Ifs, buts, maybes......
The truth is umpires may not directly influence the outcome but they definitely influence momentum and scoreboard pressure - and THAT will influence the outcome. Geelong v Hawthorn games will always be close classic duels and should command fair and equitable umpires. McBurney - you ain't it
It's not a sook, it's a realistic critical observation
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Yes, umpires influence the outcome of guys.
A free kick at a critical moment can definitely swing the momentum.
We were crucified (yet again) by the umpires in our last match.
What frustrates people is not the free kick count per se, but the blatant inconsistency (see my run down in the autopsy thread).
There is no doubt in my mind that Geelong get far more free kicks than warranted whereas the opposite applies to the Hawks.
Its the trend for the current crop of umpires, and its not hard to pick out the worst perpetrators game on game, season after season.
A free kick at a critical moment can definitely swing the momentum.
We were crucified (yet again) by the umpires in our last match.
What frustrates people is not the free kick count per se, but the blatant inconsistency (see my run down in the autopsy thread).
There is no doubt in my mind that Geelong get far more free kicks than warranted whereas the opposite applies to the Hawks.
Its the trend for the current crop of umpires, and its not hard to pick out the worst perpetrators game on game, season after season.
It was obvious after the first minute of Saturday nights game that McBurney wanted to impose himself on the game.
Umpires can and often do ruin great games of football.
They do not like Hawthorn, especially Buddy. I have no doubt that if Buddy had been the one that pushed Longergan in those dying seconds he would have been penalised.
They have their favourites and unfortunately none of them play for us.
There is absolutely no consistency in umpiring and there aren't any good umpires.
Umpires can and often do ruin great games of football.
They do not like Hawthorn, especially Buddy. I have no doubt that if Buddy had been the one that pushed Longergan in those dying seconds he would have been penalised.
They have their favourites and unfortunately none of them play for us.
There is absolutely no consistency in umpiring and there aren't any good umpires.
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SmellyFish??? Really???? Are you old enough to be on this forum?
With comments like that you may not even be on the forum
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"You just cost us the game. You realise that? You just cost us the game".
Now which "forward" said this in a final less than 12 months ago? Hmmmm, I wonder.
Now which "forward" said this in a final less than 12 months ago? Hmmmm, I wonder.
The free was given. We lost the game. We lost a chance at a premiership. We got over it (some took longer than other i will admit).
But ultimately our premiership, or that game did not rest on that decision. The reasons for our lack of success last year are well documented. The main one still running around in black and white.
You cannot blame one decision for losing a game, I'm sure Cam would agree in the cold light of day when the adrenaline has subsided.
Blaming umpires for games is counterproductive and pointless. They (and their mistakes) are a part of the game that has to be negotiated.
Got over it? Most of you clowns are STILL whingeing about 2008 .. including the players (Chapman for example), so don't give me this 'get over it' crap.
Well said. I have followed football for over 40 years, played the game at a very competitive level, and I have never been effected by umpires all that much, I just pretended they didn't exist. In my playing days that was their objective, to get it right, and hopefully not be noticed.
However, over the past few years, the umpires have imposed themselves so much on the game they are driving me nuts. Umpires, you can't increase your profiles and pay packets, and not expect criticism. So many times now we see a free not given at one end, and then the ball raced down the other end for a 2 goal turnaround. A lot of games are won by less than 2 goals.
Yesterday I was watching Sydney v Richmond. A Tiger player had the ball, a team mate fell over the top of him, a Sydney player was there but at no stage tackled him. Holding the ball .... wrong, wrong wrong!!! Sydney grabbed the ball, raced it up the other end for a goal. In a game which was decided by less than 2 goals, I think it's safe to say the umpiring altered momentum and had an effect of the result of the game.
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This highlighted part is the bit that shits me no end....
I accept umpires have their own interpretations whether its a free or its not, ok....
BUT, I would bet a truckload that had those roles been reversed with Lonegan in front and Buddy behind, exactly the same actions.....McBurney would split the whistle with enthusiasm in awarding a free to Lonegan....
(Note: It didnt decide the game, we were smashed in the last quarter)...
sure do and the can be bias too !!!
Yes umpires do influence the outcomes of games.
The umpires would have had a look at the free kick count at quarter time and seen 12-1 to Geelong, then they would have made a conscious effort to level up the tally.
No wonder the Hawks got a good run from the umpires in three of the four quarters.
EVEN if they gave us a soooo called good run in the quarters you said and i disagree we got any good run i saw things done to hawks that were not paid to show i am not all the bad i know i saw one of our guys throw the ball and no free went your way that was the only one i saw that should have been a cat free , i do not know what the free against buddy was near the cat race they still has me mythed ! he was out of bounds held by your guy and could not get up due to that !
so clearly the only reason the hawks didn't kick a goal in the last quarter was because of the umpiring
we have played some very tight games haven't we i think if i am right you haven't beaten us by more then 20 since 08 not sure what the scores were for rd 17 08 [sorry forgotten ] but since the gf i think 19 was the highest that you have won by against us
always a great atmosphere in a game against you guys [at the grounds] i never miss the games against us love watching them never boring
Follow the thread mate, I was replying to a post about the Saints final last year.
not a mention of 2008 (I admit to not having got over it, but i don't and have never grizzled about the umpiring. Just one of those things better team on the day.)
I think you will find that the last time Chapman was asked about the Hawks - Cats rivalry he said there wasn't one and it was just another game.
But don't let the facts get in the way of a poorly executed and irrelevant argument.
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Kudos for admitting to feeling the burn, though can you help me with why you would even consider grizzling about the umpiring in the 08 GF?
I wouldn't. I was wondering why the poster i replied to bought it up.
Just for the record i still haven't got over 1983. Brighton - Man U cup final replay humiliation.
It must have been very recently and involved a rapid change of heart from these comments in late April...
GEELONG star Paul Chapman says the Cats remain driven by a private pact to never be beaten again by 2008 Grand Final nemesis Hawthorn.
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"It's always been a good rivalry, especially after the '08 grand final," Chapman told the Geelong Advertiser.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...o-hawthorn-again/story-e6frf9jf-1226040925684
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today Razar Ray took the cake for the worst decision ever, made me laugh when he penalised the melbourne player for holding the ball after it had come out, been picked up by the collingwood guy who was then tackled to the ground , he clearly guessed and wasnt looking.
as an earlier poster said , whether we are biased or not (most of us are to some extent) it just seems geelong get the run of the umpiring all the time against us and other teams, partly put it down to having experienced smart players yes, but what it does and the frustration is building it makes most neutral supporters start to dislike the cats and deflect away from them being a great side over the last 5 years. If l supported them this would disappoint and frustrate me that they are getting known for milking frees rather than being the great team they have been.
However carma seems to happen to everybody eventually and l can see the cats will fall over come finals time to some unlucky occurance, whether it be an umpiring mistake or miss for goal, maybe not against us though.
They will go into the finals series a bit too sure of themselves as they could easily have lost 4-5 games this year and the will say it is because they lift and know how to win but the reality is carlton and Fremantle lost due to inaccuracy- not Geelong stopping them, we have been overrun twice by them with 2 down on the bench in the last quarters and Collingwood lost due to umpiring. Cant remember the st kilda loss . a slice of changed luck and they would be middle of the 8.
as an earlier poster said , whether we are biased or not (most of us are to some extent) it just seems geelong get the run of the umpiring all the time against us and other teams, partly put it down to having experienced smart players yes, but what it does and the frustration is building it makes most neutral supporters start to dislike the cats and deflect away from them being a great side over the last 5 years. If l supported them this would disappoint and frustrate me that they are getting known for milking frees rather than being the great team they have been.
However carma seems to happen to everybody eventually and l can see the cats will fall over come finals time to some unlucky occurance, whether it be an umpiring mistake or miss for goal, maybe not against us though.
They will go into the finals series a bit too sure of themselves as they could easily have lost 4-5 games this year and the will say it is because they lift and know how to win but the reality is carlton and Fremantle lost due to inaccuracy- not Geelong stopping them, we have been overrun twice by them with 2 down on the bench in the last quarters and Collingwood lost due to umpiring. Cant remember the st kilda loss . a slice of changed luck and they would be middle of the 8.
AND THERE LIES THE MENTALITY OF STUPIDITY!!!!! the umpires go out there with that in mind do they?
Hard to see how you could possibly complain about umpires when you win the free kick count 29-21, and that includes some eveners once the game was over. You had 5 goals out of 11 come from free kicks or fifty metres. Doesn't even include free kicks which lead to goals a kick or two later. Hawthorn had no goals from frees, and one from a fifty.
You're clearly one of those guys that believes free kick counts have to be equal.
Heck, you even think the "goals from free kicks" tally has to be equal.
Heck and u actually believe 08 was a fluke....You're clearly one of those guys that believes free kick counts have to be equal.
Heck, you even think the "goals from free kicks" tally has to be equal.
You're clearly one of those guys that believes free kick counts have to be equal.
Heck, you even think the "goals from free kicks" tally has to be equal.
I'm the kind of guy who thinks that if the free kick count is 12-1 at quarter time, then one team has the right to complain about the umpires.
Also, i only included the goals from frees because it helps to show where the frees were paid. Nearly half your goals that day were from free kicks (whether rightly or wrongly given).
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/NEWS/NewsArticle/tabid/4742/newsid/81466/default.aspx
nothing much seems to have changed in the free kicks stakes Vs Geelong
this is from 2009
nothing much seems to have changed in the free kicks stakes Vs Geelong
this is from 2009
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