Do we have too many players over 30 years of age?

[jmac70]

Fly takes over and we lose a PF by a point and finish in the top 2 the following season.

Yet we have too many players over 30.

 

[No SPIN]

Lets hope if we crash and burn in the finals we make some serious hard calls and start a mini rebuild and free up a huge amount of salary cap, hang back too long and we get caught out in the pack

We have too many aging players, not enough young age talent outside Naicos and some untried potentials. - Like another poster said our issue is also they are all slow!!!

Issue is we also don't have any players in/out that are worth trading out so we are caught in the middle right now.

We don't have the added benefit of being an interstate team or Geelong with go home factor so we really need to draft & trade like no other - the Collingwood/Hollywood factor is just about dead so thats no an advantage any more either.

Feels like Flag or bust this year and beyond.

What are the “serious hard” calls you want to make?

 

[loki04]

30 is just a number. It depends on the player. Overall though, AFL clubs have massively undervalued the benefit of older experienced players and have preferred to speculate on youth. That's starting to change and we'll see players playing longer and longer.

Our mix seems great this season but that's because we have Nick Daicos at one end of the spectrum and Pendles and Steele at the other, all of them pretty rare and special players.

Can't understand the whole thing of we're so slow with these old players like Pendles and Steele when neither has ever been fast.
I'm not sure if either of them have even lost any speed. Pendles has been making more ball handling errors over the past 2 years but this was a guy who barely for over a decade so we grew to expect perfection.

Average age of a list is completely irrelevant. We'll start to see more older players go to better teams at the tail end of their careers in the hopes of winning a premiership. So no, we don't have too many players over 30 and a couple of the ones we do have are absolute treasures so we should enjoy it while they're still playing.

Pendles also been getting caught more this season and outside last week players burning him for leg speed on the spread.
That was never an issue for him as he wasn't fast but nor was he slow, he was average paced.

 

[loki04]

What are the “serious hard” calls you want to make?

I'm not sure we have any capital we can afford to lose.

Only hard calls I could see would be retiring players slightly early, but im not sure that we can't get 1 more year out of most.

 

[No SPIN]

Pendles also been getting caught more this season and outside last week players burning him for leg speed on the spread.
That was never an issue for him as he wasn't fast but nor was he slow, he was average paced.

Loki - mate.
How can a problem that didn’t occur “last week”, be a huge issue.
Pendles has never been fast, but it seems he can turn it on (per your last week comment). When he loses the capacity to turn it on, then it’s the end.

 

[jmac70]

I think we do. It may be that 3O is the new 25, but injuries mount up over time. No doubt someone will point out that our average list age is such and such, however we still have plenty in the 30+ category. Hoskin Elliot is only weeks away from his 30th birthday.

You’ve offered no reasons why having players aged 30 and over is bad, other than a vague reference to injuries.

What is it about our list of older players that you would change?

 

[loki04]

Loki - mate.
How can a problem that didn’t occur “last week”, be a huge issue.
Pendles has never been fast, but it seems he can turn it on (per your last week comment). When he loses the capacity to turn it on, then it’s the end.

Because when he has more games like vs first half against Geelong and less games like last week there comes a time a role change is required or sub or retirement.

Players in season have shown to fall off cliffs, Pendles isn't there yet but he has shown signs this season.

Maybe he has another year left maybe he doesn't, you would suspect he'll get the right to make the call.

 

[Ironmonger85]

Pendles is still good in the centre when Cox is rucking, when Cameron rucks it doesn't help pendles at all.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

You’ve offered no reasons why having players aged 30 and over is bad, other than a vague reference to injuries.

What is it about our list of older players that you would change?

It concerns me and evidently others, that we have as many as we do. It’s a young man’s game for the most part. Surely you are cognisant of that.

 

[jmac70]

It concerns me and evidently others, that we have as many as we do. It’s a young man’s game for the most part. Surely you are cognisant of that.

Surely you are cognisant of using meaningless cliches? Offer some evidence of players in the age bracket who are not contributing, or how having less of them would improve our chances of winning the flag.

The powers in charge of the list have put together a squad that will finish 1st or 2nd after the home and away season. What could you do differently?

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Surely you are cognisant of using meaningless cliches? Offer some evidence of players in the age bracket who are not contributing, or how having less of them would improve our chances of winning the flag.

The powers in charge of the list have put together a squad that will finish 1st or 2nd after the home and away season. What could you do differently?

I’m simply stating a fact. There’s no point in denying it. If we don’t win it this year, it’s not going to be any easier next year.

 

[jmac70]

I’m simply stating a fact. There’s no point in denying it. If we don’t win it this year, it’s not going to be any easier next year.

No. You stated an opinion that we have too many 30 year old players but offered no actual argument to support it.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

No. You stated an opinion that we have too many 30 year old players but offered no actual argument to support it.

He backed it up with a “ it won’t be any easier next year” cliche.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

He backed it up with a “ it won’t be any easier next year” cliche.

Call me Mr Cliche.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

No. You stated an opinion that we have too many 30 year old players but offered no actual argument to support it.

Is 9 players by the beginning of next season too few for your liking?

 

[Kappa]

After 2024 we'll have a huge problem, we have a lack of top end talent in the 1-4 year category outside of Daicos.

We desperately need Macrae Mcinnes Allan Ryan to end up very good players.

 

[jmac70]

Is 9 players by the beginning of next season too few for your liking?

So now we are getting somewhere. You're asking the question for next year?
I can't see any of the 'old brigade' moving on next year, but perhaps the younger players might push for selection.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So now we are getting somewhere. You're asking the question for next year?
I can't see any of the 'old brigade' moving on next year, but perhaps the younger players might push for selection.

This.

At the end of 2024 we can expect to see 2-3 retirements which should be easy enough to manage transition with players already on our list, and another 1-2 the next year .

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

So now we are getting somewhere. You're asking the question for next year?
I can't see any of the 'old brigade' moving on next year, but perhaps the younger players might push for selection.

I’m searching for answers like all Collingwood supporters at the moment. I hope like everyone else they can get back on track.

 

[jmac70]

I’m searching for answers like all Collingwood supporters at the moment. I hope like everyone else they can get back on track.

We will.

 

[thebigsaveloy]

Pendles is still good in the centre when Cox is rucking, when Cameron rucks it doesn't help pendles at all.

Which of our mids is advantaged when Cameron is in the ruck?

 

[Ironmonger85]

Which of our mids is advantaged when Cameron is in the ruck?

I don't think any are.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, Cox, Adams, Mitchell, Elliot (Hoskin Elliot & Crisp only weeks away) That’s almost a quarter of the list.

I forgot to add Mihocek to the list. That makes 10.

 

[TW Sherrin]

30 doesn't worry me as much as the lack of leg speed in the midfield.

 

[sr36]

I don't know why Macrae and Carmichael haven't been given more games as emerging replacements for Adams and Mitchell, who are vulnerable.

Perhaps they're not future replacements.