The AFL don't have a choice, if 17 clubs say enough, then they are out.
Do we the wider footy public support Essendon as per Little's comment today?
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No, i don't believe so.
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Essendon wouldn't be allowed to die out completely. They would become a Tasmanian team or be merged with GWS.
I can imagine Little is only just realising today that the other 17 clubs are far from impressed.
I can imagine Little is only just realising today that the other 17 clubs are far from impressed.
He's a slow learner then. He went down this track months ago and got his arse handed to him.
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That won't happen.
Are you sure?
I do. The reason WADA are so strong on the "athletes are responsible" line is that "I didn't know I was taking a banned substance" is too easy to trot out. In fact every athlete since Ben Johnson HAS trotted it out.
The rules are harsh but they have to be. All athletes, footballers included, are told repeatedly that they are ultimately responsible for what is found in their bodies.
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1000%.
Nope. I don't support the EFC on all this.
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There are two issues here.
One is the use of banned substances by the Essendon Football Club.
The other is ASADA and the AFL's handling of the situation
I cannot condone the first issue but I am not entirely happy with second one either. ASADA and the AFL's handling of this affair has been an absolute shambles. I did not vote because I think the poll misses the point.
The Club that I support will likely come out as an innocent victim in this because we traded for a player from Essendon BEFORE all of this came to light. I guess we will accept the verdict and move on but if it comes to ASADA proving a case I sure would like us to pursue some compensation for losing Angus Monfries over something we had no hand in. If Gus is suspended for six months maybe he should be excluded from our salary cap for 2015 to allow us to replace him?
I guess the even bigger question is what happens if Essendon lose their action and 34 players are suspended from competition for six months? How will they field a side? We could finish with a bye in 2015.
One is the use of banned substances by the Essendon Football Club.
The other is ASADA and the AFL's handling of the situation
I cannot condone the first issue but I am not entirely happy with second one either. ASADA and the AFL's handling of this affair has been an absolute shambles. I did not vote because I think the poll misses the point.
The Club that I support will likely come out as an innocent victim in this because we traded for a player from Essendon BEFORE all of this came to light. I guess we will accept the verdict and move on but if it comes to ASADA proving a case I sure would like us to pursue some compensation for losing Angus Monfries over something we had no hand in. If Gus is suspended for six months maybe he should be excluded from our salary cap for 2015 to allow us to replace him?
I guess the even bigger question is what happens if Essendon lose their action and 34 players are suspended from competition for six months? How will they field a side? We could finish with a bye in 2015.
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I think it's you who misses the point because of your self interest.
Regardless of how well ASADA and the AFL handed the investigation, it doesn't change what happened at Essendon - this is an argument that's being put forth a lot that somehow seeks to blame the AFL and ASADA for investigating and uncovering this.
Monfries is just as responsible for what goes into his body as every other play is (under WADA and ASADA codes). You can't point the finger at the administrators for acting on it.
This attempt at defence demonstrates why Essendon needs to be fried.
False equivalence is the Devil's delight.
They simply...dont...get it.
A complete bogan club. All clubs have bogan elements, but Essendon have managed to make their entire ethos bogan.
The same petty mix of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility, and it has become so sickening it threatens what little remains of the competition's relevance and credibility.
Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!
Postings on this thread have been nowhere near as nasty and vicious as those posted by the deluded lemmings on the Jamestown, AKA Essendon board. At least on this thread contrary views can be posted, unlike the star chamber environment on the Essendon board.There are some really lovely people in this thread.
I did have some sympathy for Essendon supporters and players earlier on, however that has evaporated with their arrogant intransigence, and refusal to admit any wrongdoing at all. As far as I am concerned they are pariahs, and should be treated as such. I hope they get the heaviest penalties possible.
If Nathan Buckley had been responsible for overseeing a similar programme at my club as James Hird has done, I would want him banned for life.
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Kick out a bloke who was on the board of ESSA and employ the Nick Riviera of Sports Science and a rodeo clown. deserve what they get.
I personally hope they fold.
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paul little is a flog
reminds me more and more of tywin lannister. maybe hird is jammie and tania cersei. dirty evil club
reminds me more and more of tywin lannister. maybe hird is jammie and tania cersei. dirty evil club
Exactly. Otherwise you get the situation like the East German athletics team, or the Chinese swim team, or the Bulgarian weightlifters, who were just doing as they were told by the coaches and medical staff. The ultimate principle behind the anti-doping code is that the individual competitors are suspended from competition if they are found to have taken banned substances. It's the only way to do it, otherwise people will devise schemes to dope "accidentally on purpose" and players will get off scot-free as long there is plausible deniability. This is why teams and players have to be so careful.
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Hell no. Like the post says almost 100% of non Essendon fans i know (and even some Essendon fans) think Little, Hird and the club have had a complete ridiculous and arrogant attitude. They seem incapable of taking responsibility. The thought that they did the wrong thing and should accept the consequences for what they did is not in their dictionary. My dislike for them has far surpassed anything I've ever felt for Collingwood.
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I wonder if the head in sand brigade are still drinking whenever Armstrong is mentioned? I'm guessing they don't find it quite so funny anymore.
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What ever people say about Collingwood being feral and the like, I don't think they've ever cheated. Their achievements have always being legal.
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Essendon members need to call an immediate vote and sack their board. If they dont Little will tear their club apart over this. I thought John Elliot's conduct through our salary cap investigations were arrogant and shameful. No pun intended but Little is like Elliot jacked on steroids.
Just argue your defence on whatever merits you have left, by going the chewbacca defence you're just painting your club as guilty in the eyes of the wider football public.
Just argue your defence on whatever merits you have left, by going the chewbacca defence you're just painting your club as guilty in the eyes of the wider football public.
Very few support essendon over this
Regardless of if anything illegal/immoral was undertaken, the way they have acted has made them look childish, and actually made them look guilty
Many forget there was a second club involved in this, I believe is was Penrith in the NRL
they cooperated, and just one player was suspended
They came out clean, and have been widely commended for the way they've handled things
Regardless of if anything illegal/immoral was undertaken, the way they have acted has made them look childish, and actually made them look guilty
Many forget there was a second club involved in this, I believe is was Penrith in the NRL
they cooperated, and just one player was suspended
They came out clean, and have been widely commended for the way they've handled things
What was the fight over?I should thank Little was on the way to Gym when I heard that, had a massive session and pumped out some big sets. Nearly got in a fight also, I really need to get a life
Great, so lets ditch the drug testing and start the afl wide investigation. Multiple clubs found with suspect programs = multiple clubs investigated. If multiple clubs were investigated and put through the ringer like EFC have been it would be the end of AFL. Ping one club, make and example, appear to 'make a stand' against drugs in sport, job done AFL/ASADA.
